ESPN Reporting $70 Million for Hall

[aikemirv]

Right...so we're going to go from this year in dire need of Cornerback depth, and a quality 3rd corner, but next year Jerry is just going to turn around and make the situation even worse by letting his best corner walk.

Riiiiiiggggghhhhhtttt...


I don't care which two CBs you get in the first round NEITHER of them will be ready to step in and be as good a corner in their second year as TNew already is.

TNew will get his money, and so will Ware when it's time, and they will get it because they're in 2 of the 3 positions that you simply can not take the "We can pay a guy a lot less money to do what they're doing" approach.

CB, Pass rusher, and QB. You simply can't take the "I don't want to spend market value on these so I'll just take a cheaper option here."

You can do that at RB. You can do that at DE and DT and to some extent you can even do it at WR and get away with it to some degrees. But CB, QB, and Pass Rusher you simply can't just go with the "I'll just plug anyone in and go with it" mentality.

I think both will get their money too. Although I think Newman is going to have to wait a year and his performance is going to have to hold up for that extra year too. He will get franchised next year.

Jerry is going to want to see what is going to happen in 2010 before he committs long term to Newman and even then long term for Newman is really going to be a 3 year deal in all reality.

 

[Redball Express]

..we'd better win this season more than we did this year..

or I don't see how we are going to keep our talent signed when it comes to these numbers now setting the market at skill positions.

This team can't blow it anymore. It will be too costly to keep signing these guys to new contracts faced with this.

We are sure to be making some tough decisions next year when it comes to trying to keep our players out of FA. Look what we are having to resort to with Hamlin and MBIII.

We haven't ever had to use franchise tags or make 1st rd+ qualifying offers on our ALL Pro players before.

The bullets are loading in the chamber and the cylinders are spinning shortly in this game of player Salary Russian Roulette.

It's only a matter of time before Jerry has to put the gun to his head if this keeps going.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS:starspin

 

[InmanRoshi]

One thing that is scary about drafting the highly touted CB's is that most of these guys have never really been tested on any level. I remember Goose talking about a conversation he had about Carlos Rogers with an NFL Front Office guy. The guy told Goose that his college game film was basically worthless because no one would throw at him. His final season in college he only had maybe 9 or 10 passes thrown at him for the entire season. That was in the SEC. Imagine how much teams stayed away from Leodis or ARQ in their lower levels of competition, where they were men among boys.

The CB is as much a position of confidence as it is physical ability. You can't measure that. These guys are going to have their lunch eaten in the NFL for the entire world to see, they all do. There is nowhere to hide at that position. And after they eat your lunch, the average cocky NFL WR is going to get right in your face and tell you all about it. You never know how they are going to respond. TNew went through it his second year. Some guys overcome, and some guys become Ahmad Carroll.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is unreal, 70 mill for Hall. Contracts are getting out of hand

 

[TellerMorrow34]

While I was never one who was on the "Hall completely sucks I'd never want him here" bandwagon, I'm actually a person who does believe he's a very good corner whose got a lot of upside being only 24, but I certainly wouldn't want him for this kind of money. 10 million a season is insane.

 

[DallasDomination]

If any Cb in dallas wants something like this they btter be Dieon Sanders with the ability to tackle..if not then see ya later LOSER!.

NFl is getting pretty lame with these contracts...Look at chad johnson. it's all about the money.

never for the game anymore...

 

[Stash]

Only enforces the need to draft well - especially at the cornerback position.

It's a reason I think that several cornerbacks will be drafted in the first round this year - deserving or not.

And it's part of the reason why I would be willing to take a chance on a guy with the history of Pacman Jones.

 

[Woods]

One thing that is scary about drafting the highly touted CB's is that most of these guys have never really been tested on any level. I remember Goose talking about a conversation he had about Carlos Rogers with an NFL Front Office guy. The guy told Goose that his college game film was basically worthless because no one would throw at him. His final season in college he only had maybe 9 or 10 passes thrown at him for the entire season. That was in the SEC. Imagine how much teams stayed away from Leodis or ARQ in their lower levels of competition, where they were men among boys.

The CB is as much a position of confidence as it is physical ability. You can't measure that. These guys are going to have their lunch eaten in the NFL for the entire world to see, they all do. There is nowhere to hide at that position. And after they eat your lunch, the average cocky NFL WR is going to get right in your face and tell you all about it. You never know how they are going to respond. TNew went through it his second year. Some guys overcome, and some guys become Ahmad Carroll.

This is a very good point, and well said.

 

[Woods]

Only enforces the need to draft well - especially at the cornerback position.

It's a reason I think that several cornerbacks will be drafted in the first round this year - deserving or not.

And it's part of the reason why I would be willing to take a chance on a guy with the history of Pacman Jones.

It really is a tough position to evaluate with college players.

I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately a guy like Cason, for example, outperforms Jenkins, McKelvin, Cromartie, and Talib. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if Talib were to outperform all the other guys I mentioned.

But one thing I would wager, out of the consensus top 5 CBs, there is no way all 5 will fulfill their prospective draft potential. I'd bet at least 2 if not 3 will be labeled "busts".

Now, which ones, if any of the top 5, will succeed and who will not work out?

 

[Stash]

It really is a tough position to evaluate with college players.

I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately a guy like Cason, for example, outperforms Jenkins, McKelvin, Cromartie, and Talib. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if Talib were to outperform all the other guys I mentioned.

But one thing I would wager, out of the consensus top 5 CBs, there is no way all 5 will fulfill their prospective draft potential. I'd bet at least 2 if not 3 will be labeled "busts".

Now, which ones, if any of the top 5, will succeed and who will not work out?

Just my opinion, but I would go with 'safe' over 'spectacular'.

Meaning that Cason for example is not as flashy as McKelvin or Cromartie, but he has a longer and more proven track record.

Looking at scouting reports on 2008 prospects from last year and guys like Cromartie and McKelvin barely earned mention amongst the top prospects.

And now they're skyrocketing up the charts.

Makes me wonder why that was.

Jenkins was also considered a sure bet, but now his stock seems to be sliding to the point where he may be available to the Cowboys at #22.

I'm certainly not knocking on either and would be happy with any of them really. But it's something to think about anyway.

 

[Woods]

Just my opinion, but I would go with 'safe' over 'spectacular'.

Meaning that Cason for example is not as flashy as McKelvin or Cromartie, but he has a longer and more proven track record.

Looking at scouting reports on 2008 prospects from last year and guys like Cromartie and McKelvin barely earned mention amongst the top prospects.

And now they're skyrocketing up the charts.

Makes me wonder why that was.

I'm certainly not knocking on either and would be happy with any of them really. But it's something to think about anyway.

I agree 100%.

I'd prefer to go safe as well, and I'd be happy to take Cason. I think he's probably the "safest" pick of the top tier CBs.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

Al Davis is sitting at home wondering why all the other teams aren't taking advantage of an uncapped '08-'09 season.
:laugh2:

 

[skinsscalper]

Al Davis is sitting at home wondering why all the other teams aren't taking advantage of an uncapped '08-'09 season.
:laugh2:

You're probably not real far off from reality. Just missin it by a season or two.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Even with the outrageous salaries I'd still rather give TWO of these type of contracts away to get cornerbacks rather than have to give 10 cents to Pacman Jones. Thankfully we won't/don't have to do that but, all the same.

 

[Frozen700]

Even with the outrageous salaries I'd still rather give TWO of these type of contracts away to get cornerbacks rather than have to give 10 cents to Pacman Jones. Thankfully we won't/don't have to do that but, all the same.

I don't know...if we can get pacman 4 cheap im all for it

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

Sorry. Didn't see that thread. That is unreal money. I wonder if anyone here still wants him.

mercy sakes, not at that price...

i think it will be kind of interesting to see JJ operate with no cap. from the way the revenues of the new stadium are shaping up, i don't think any other team will come close to the resources he will have at his disposal.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't know...if we can get pacman 4 cheap im all for it

yeah that is just more not liking Pacman than anything. I'm sure I wouldn't complain about getting him dirt cheap if he came in here, did his job, and kept himself out of trouble.

But currently I just dislike him so much that I just cringe at the idea of even paying the guy a nickle to be a nickle and PR.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But one thing I would wager, out of the consensus top 5 CBs, there is no way all 5 will fulfill their prospective draft potential. I'd bet at least 2 if not 3 will be labeled "busts".

Now, which ones, if any of the top 5, will succeed and who will not work out?

I would stay away from the headcases and lazy guys. Deion made being flamboyant and outspoken seem like a requirement for playing corner, but look at the best guys these days... Nmamdi, Newman, Bailey, some others... None are flakes, lazy, or think they can play outside the scheme (like a Hall does).

That's why even though I've never seen him play a down, Mike Jenkins scares me a little while a Cason-type sounds good.