ESPN - Should Cowboys draft a QB at 4? Opinions vary

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Coaches and evaluators around the league offered diverse perspectives and predictions during conversations at the combine in Indianapolis.


Three votes for a QB at No. 4

A general manager, salary-cap manager and personnel director all thought the Cowboys should or would select a quarterback fourth overall.

"My gut says QB because they know Romo is coming to the end," the GM said. "They are hoping this is the last chance they get to take one early. My gut says they will like one of the two between [Jared] Goff and [Carson] Wentz, and they will take one and he will become the heir apparent."

This GM did not see a defensive player so dominant that the Cowboys would absolutely have to take him with the fourth pick. He noted that two of the top pass-rushers, Noah Spence and Joey Bosa, were defensive ends on the left side of the formation. Top rushers traditionally play the other side. "That says something in itself," the GM said.

The salary-cap manager thought there was roughly a 75 percent chance the Cowboys would select a quarterback with one of their top two draft picks. Within that, he saw the odds as about 50-50 that Dallas would take the quarterback fourth overall. This cap manager also thought the unrestricted free-agent market for quarterbacks could be more interesting than usual in 2016 with Brock Osweiler among the players potentially reaching the market. That could affect the draft.

The personnel director acknowledged the Cowboys' need for defensive help, but he also thought Dallas would be foolish to pass up a true franchise quarterback. The question, of course, is whether Dallas will rate any of the available quarterbacks highly enough to select one so early. Can an organization afford to park a highly drafted quarterback on the bench for multiple seasons?

"If you are Jerry Jones, yes, you can," the personnel director said, noting that Jones, as the Cowboys' owner, enjoys job security no other GM can surpass. "I could see Goff going to Cleveland and Dallas taking Wentz. Romo is not a china doll, but he is getting to that point. You saw how bad they were without him -- it was tough to win a game."

Counterpoint: No QB at No. 4

Romo's contract carries a $20.8 million cap charge consuming 13.4 percent of the newly established $155,270,000 allotment. This huge financial commitment to Romo separates the Cowboys from the teams that used top-five selections for quarterbacks 19 times in the past 15 drafts. Those teams' highest-priced veteran quarterbacks carried cap charges between $395,914 and $5.75 million. None of those charges consumed more than 5.4 percent of the salary cap.

Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and JaMarcus Russell combined for only three rookie starts as top-five overall picks since 2001. Vick's Atlanta Falcons had veteran Chris Chandler signed to a deal that counted $4.1 million against the cap (4.7 percent of the allotment). Palmer's Cincinnati Bengals had Jon Kitna ($3.6 million cap hit, 5.4 percent). Rivers' San Diego Chargers had Drew Brees ($2.4 million, 4.1 percent). Russell's Oakland Raiders had Daunte Culpepper ($3.2 million, 3.8 percent).

None of the teams using top-five picks for quarterbacks was all-in on a veteran the way Dallas is all-in on Romo. That will make the Cowboys much more reluctant to use such a high choice for a player who ideally would not play soon.

"I really don't think they are going to take a quarterback because they will realize Goff is the only one and he is maybe gone by then," an offensive assistant coach said. "If they really need a quarterback, I bet they try to trade back. I doubt they take one in the second round because they won't get the one they want."

A veteran contract negotiator thought the Cowboys would be much more likely to sign a veteran backup than target another position with the fourth pick. "They are not willing to throw out Romo just yet," this negotiator said. "Now, would that stop them from paying $5 million for [a backup]? No."


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This brings up a good point. You don't see teams often using a 1st round pick on a QB if they already have a QB in place for the next few years. The reason being in a normal sane NFL city, the GM actually has to have results to keep his job. He's fighting for his job every year. He needs that pick to produce for him a little sooner than a future investment on a QB who may not see the field until after he's fired.

We don't have that here. We have Jerry 4 life. He doesn't have to worry about his job. This isn't a concern for him. He simply needs to be alive to see the QB investment pay off.
 

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If I'm being honest, I do not think there is a wrong answer here. But within that decision, the key is do you pick the right player. If you don't go QB, the player you choose better contribute in a big way, right now. If you go QB, in the top 5, he better lead your franchise to the title at some point, or he is a failure. Harsh, but true. I am not taking a QB just because I am sitting at No.4 and may not be again anytime soon and I have an aging QB. But if the scouts are telling me this guy is the real deal, I'm not passing him up because I have a franchise QB who wants to play 5 more years.

What do your scouts say? That answers the question for you one way or the other.
 

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Taking a QB that high also invites a hair-trigger for a QB controversy for the public. I still think the biggest obstacle will be when the Cowboys are on the clock, and everyone in the room makes their case for a player, none of the coaches will want to go QB.
 

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I dont have an issue with Cook or Hackenberg in round 2. Its funny how (and I keep going back to this) Kirk Cousins or even Romo can sit and wait/learn but Cook and Hackenberg are so bad they cant be developed into pro bowl caliber guys? Please.
 

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I dont have an issue with Cook or Hackenberg in round 2. Its funny how (and I keep going back to this) Kirk Cousins or even Romo can sit and wait/learn but Cook and Hackenberg are so bad they cant be developed into pro bowl caliber guys? Please.

I've done no research so take it as you will, but Cook's lack of popularity with his team is a big red flag and Hackenberg's career completion percentage gives me Drew Henson flashbacks. I'm for getting a QB at #4 but I think those in the room with the long term in mind will get a lot of pushback. Stephen Jones' pimphand will have to be strong.
 

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Taking a QB that high also invites a hair-trigger for a QB controversy for the public. I still think the biggest obstacle will be when the Cowboys are on the clock, and everyone in the room makes their case for a player, none of the coaches will want to go QB.

There's no chance of a real controversy if Tony's healthy.

But it's possible a talented rookie would push Tony harder than he's been pushed recently. That might end up not being a bad thing for us offensively.

It's a no-brainer to take the QB if it's one you like. I like them both, personally. Especially Goff, I think. I keep going back and forth on the two.
 

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Take the QB. A Franchise QB is the hardest player to find in all of sports. When Romo is fully done, im supposed to believe we will be able to find one right away?
 

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I dont have an issue with Cook or Hackenberg in round 2. Its funny how (and I keep going back to this) Kirk Cousins or even Romo can sit and wait/learn but Cook and Hackenberg are so bad they cant be developed into pro bowl caliber guys? Please.

Cousins and Romo are cherry-picked exceptions, not the norm. Guys like Brady, Russell Wilson and Romo are the rarest exceptions, not the rule. 22 of the 32 starting quarterbacks were first round picks, as were the vast majority of the playoff quarterbacks. That clearly tells you where teams find them.
 

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Cousins and Romo are cherry-picked exceptions, not the norm. Guys like Brady, Russell Wilson and Romo are the rarest exceptions, not the rule. 22 of the 32 starting quarterbacks were first round picks, as were the vast majority of the playoff quarterbacks. That clearly tells you where teams find them.
I believe in both guys eventually becoming good qbs. Both played in pro style offenses. Goff played in an offense that made rg3 look like a great passer. Context matters. Wentz played pro style against weak competition. Im tired of the completion percentage talk when damn near every Goff pass is some wide open dink to the flat.
 

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I believe in both guys eventually becoming good qbs. Both played in pro style offenses. Goff played in an offense that made rg3 look like a great passer. Context matters. Wentz played pro style against weak competition. Im tired of the completion percentage talk when damn near every Goff pass is some wide open dink to the flat.

Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion, but as I've said numerous times, the longer teams wait on drafting a quarterback, the lower their chances of success become.
 

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I don't mind drafting a QB... but if we could trade down and grab a guy like Ezekiel Elliott... and get 2 more 2nd round picks and just clean up on day 2... is there a good argument against it?
 

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The cap charge part of this article couldn't be more irrelevant. If this person mentioned in the article has seen what b/u QBs have been getting paid, he would see the 4th pick isn't too far out of line with that. If they decide they don't want to spend that kind of cap space on a veteran b/u, well then you will see another K. Moore type of player. Basically another Romo goes down, season over type b/u.

The fan outcry thing mentioned by a poster above is also irrelevant. The same fan base was crying for K. Orton to take over. If Romo doesn't win, you're going to have fans wanting to make a change no matter who the b/u is. That outcry is going to be just as bad if they decide to spend heavily on a good vet b/u. A well run team is not going to let fan outcry control who does and doesn't start for the team. If fans don't control it, who cares? If they do, well we're screwed anyways.
 

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I don't mind drafting a QB... but if we could trade down and grab a guy like Ezekiel Elliott... and get 2 more 2nd round picks and just clean up on day 2... is there a good argument against it?

Well let's say Romo does stay healthy all year... History says 8-8.. Not good enough. Last 5 years 8-8, 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 4-12.. Equals not good enough.. Now let's say Romo doesn't stay healthy. Next years QB class is terrible... Brad Kaaya and Watkins are the cream of the crop.. Looking further down its even worse. Wentz and Goff might not excite you but at least there is potential..
 

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I don't mind drafting a QB... but if we could trade down and grab a guy like Ezekiel Elliott... and get 2 more 2nd round picks and just clean up on day 2... is there a good argument against it?

My argument is that it's much harder to get a starting quarterback than a starting running back, and the fact that last year's leading rusher and this year's second leading rusher were available in free agency the last two years.

Meanwhile, Kirk Cousins and Sam Bradford will be paid $19 & $18 million respectively this year.

And statistics show that bust rates for quarterbacks rise the later you draft them.
 

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Take the QB. A Franchise QB is the hardest player to find in all of sports. When Romo is fully done, im supposed to believe we will be able to find one right away?

Question I have is do you really trust this coaching staff w/ said quarterback you drafted w/ the #4 pick?...Last thing I want to see is this staff ruining a kids thought process. What has Wade Wilson done to develope anyone in the last decade?o_O
 

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Question I have is do you really trust this coaching staff w/ said quarterback you drafted w/ the #4 pick?...Last thing I want to see is this staff ruining a kids thought process. What has Wade Wilson done to develope anyone in the last decade?o_O

I dont, but hopefully this is Garretts last year anyways and jerry cleans house :rolleyes:
 

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Question I have is do you really trust this coaching staff w/ said quarterback you drafted w/ the #4 pick?...Last thing I want to see is this staff ruining a kids thought process. What has Wade Wilson done to develope anyone in the last decade?o_O

Honestly what has Wilson been given to work with? Stephen McGee .. Come on man...
 

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Taking a QB that high also invites a hair-trigger for a QB controversy for the public. I still think the biggest obstacle will be when the Cowboys are on the clock, and everyone in the room makes their case for a player, none of the coaches will want to go QB.

There is no QB controversy. You draft Wentz. You release Romo. Tell him he's got 48 hours to clean out his locker or his stuff will be out on the lawn.

Let's assume what you say is true and the coaches wouldn't want to go QB. I would probably respond to that with so? They are the least informed voices in the room other than those with the last name Jones. What the scouts say should carry a hell of lot more weight than the coaches to any GM in their right mind.
 
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