ESPN - Should Cowboys draft a QB at 4? Opinions vary

[endersdragon]

There is no QB controversy. You draft Wentz. You release Romo. Tell him he's got 48 hours to clean out his locker or his stuff will be out on the lawn.

Let's assume what you say is true and the coaches wouldn't want to go QB. I would probably respond to that with so? They are the least informed voices in the room other than those with the last name Jones. What the scouts say should carry a hell of lot more weight than the coaches to any GM in their right mind.

We draft Wentz and release Romo and he goes 1-15 because he's not ready for the NFL game and then everyone says to give up on him, that he's a bum.

 

[Verdict]

There is no QB controversy. You draft Wentz. You release Romo. Tell him he's got 48 hours to clean out his locker or his stuff will be out on the lawn.

Let's assume what you say is true and the coaches wouldn't want to go QB. I would probably respond to that with so? They are the least informed voices in the room other than those with the last name Jones. What the scouts say should carry a hell of lot more weight than the coaches to any GM in their right mind.

If you think we should cut Romo, you are truly delusional. I am not saying that to be ******, you are just delusional if you think it is the right move to cut a true franchise QB not only because there aren't any, or for the cap hell it would put us in. The only way we cut Romo is if he can't play for whatever reason, and if it happens during the season he probably wouldn't be cut until after the season due to his cap charge and prorated signing bonus.

 

[Direwolf63]

Romo won't be cut. But a QB must be chosen if the evaluators tell you there is one worth taking.

It really is a no brainer. But so many really struggle with this. It is very strange.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Romo won't be cut. But a QB must be chosen if the evaluators tell you there is one worth taking.

It really is a no brainer. But so many really struggle with this. It is very strange.

I don't get it neither. YouTube scouts think they know more than people who actually get paid to evaluate players.. I want a QB but if they feel they are not worthy I can live with it.. Now if one of them does become a good QB I will be pissed..

 

[TheFinisher]

Romos got 2 years tops.

Draft a QB.

 

[fortdick]

If I'm being honest, I do not think there is a wrong answer here. But within that decision, the key is do you pick the right player. If you don't go QB, the player you choose better contribute in a big way, right now. If you go QB, in the top 5, he better lead your franchise to the title at some point, or he is a failure. Harsh, but true. I am not taking a QB just because I am sitting at No.4 and may not be again anytime soon and I have an aging QB. But if the scouts are telling me this guy is the real deal, I'm not passing him up because I have a franchise QB who wants to play 5 more years.

What do your scouts say? That answers the question for you one way or the other.

This may be the season for the BPA. I have never been a big believer in drafting regardless of position or need, but, as you say, I don't think there is a wrong answer.

Taking a QB could be great!

Not taking a QB could be great.

 

[fortdick]

There's no chance of a real controversy if Tony's healthy.

But it's possible a talented rookie would push Tony harder than he's been pushed recently. That might end up not being a bad thing for us offensively.

It's a no-brainer to take the QB if it's one you like. I like them both, personally. Especially Goff, I think. I keep going back and forth on the two.

I don't believe a rookie would have the mind set to put in the work Tony does.

 

[Direwolf63]

I don't get it neither. YouTube scouts think they know more than people who actually get paid to evaluate players.. I want a QB but if they feel they are not worthy I can live with it.. Now if one of them does become a good QB I will be pissed..

If the evaluators believe there is no franchise QB available, and one of those guys becomes a franchise guy, every scout should be fired.

 

[Idgit]

I don't believe a rookie would have the mind set to put in the work Tony does.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the guy. We probably get a year of peace and quiet no matter who we bring in for a red shirt year. After that, as he gets the timing down and Tony gets older, we'd hopefully start to see some competition develop.

 

[Thatkidbob]

If the evaluators believe there is no franchise QB available, and one of those guys becomes a franchise guy, every scout should be fired.

By this logic, everyone who passed on Brady, Wilson, Romo, etc should be fired. I don't think you'd have many evaluators left after that.

 

[jnday]

I dont have an issue with Cook or Hackenberg in round 2. Its funny how (and I keep going back to this) Kirk Cousins or even Romo can sit and wait/learn but Cook and Hackenberg are so bad they cant be developed into pro bowl caliber guys? Please.

This developing a QB that has limited talent is really gaining traction. It would be great if the ideal actually worked.

 

[jnday]

By this logic, everyone who passed on Brady, Wilson, Romo, etc should be fired. I don't think you'd have many evaluators left after that.

For every Brady, Wilson and Romo, there are hundreds and hundreds that don't make it.

 

[IrishAnto]

There's no chance of a real controversy if Tony's healthy.

But it's possible a talented rookie would push Tony harder than he's been pushed recently. That might end up not being a bad thing for us offensively.

It's a no-brainer to take the QB if it's one you like. I like them both, personally. Especially Goff, I think. I keep going back and forth on the two.

I've been on the Lynch bandwagon for a while, however the last couple of weeks I'm starting to like Goff more and more.

Compared to Lynch and Wentz he looks like Jane but he actually plays like Tarzan.

His OL didn't do him many favours at Cal, yet time after time he would step up into the pocket and deliver the pass, even though he knew he would get drilled.

Add to that he didn't miss any games that I know off, so it would appear he's physically up to the task despite appearances.

 

[Idgit]

I've been on the Lynch bandwagon for a while, however the last couple of weeks I'm starting to like Goff more and more.

Compared to Lynch and Wentz he looks like Jane but he actually plays like Tarzan.

His OL didn't do him many favours at Cal, yet time after time he would step up into the pocket and deliver the pass, even though he knew he would get drilled.

Add to that he didn't miss any games that I know off, so it would appear he's physically up to the task despite appearances.

Yep. That's what I like about him, too. That, and his a bit chippy. He's got a bit of attitude to him. I like that in a QB.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Question I have is do you really trust this coaching staff w/ said quarterback you drafted w/ the #4 pick?...Last thing I want to see is this staff ruining a kids thought process. What has Wade Wilson done to develope anyone in the last decade?

do you trust this coaching staff to develop a DB? What DB has been developed in the past 10 years?

 

[stilltheguru88]

do you trust this coaching staff to develop a DB? What DB has been developed in the past 10 years?

Scandrick and Church

 

[Gaede]

If Goff is there, take him. If Wentz is there, take him. Simple.

If neither, let's trade down and pick Zeke. If we can't trade down, just don't take Bosa

 

[Rogerthat12]

Coaches and evaluators around the league offered diverse perspectives and predictions during conversations at the combine in Indianapolis.


Three votes for a QB at No. 4

A general manager, salary-cap manager and personnel director all thought the Cowboys should or would select a quarterback fourth overall.

"My gut says QB because they know Romo is coming to the end," the GM said. "They are hoping this is the last chance they get to take one early. My gut says they will like one of the two between [Jared] Goff and [Carson] Wentz, and they will take one and he will become the heir apparent."

This GM did not see a defensive player so dominant that the Cowboys would absolutely have to take him with the fourth pick. He noted that two of the top pass-rushers, Noah Spence and Joey Bosa, were defensive ends on the left side of the formation. Top rushers traditionally play the other side. "That says something in itself," the GM said.

The salary-cap manager thought there was roughly a 75 percent chance the Cowboys would select a quarterback with one of their top two draft picks. Within that, he saw the odds as about 50-50 that Dallas would take the quarterback fourth overall. This cap manager also thought the unrestricted free-agent market for quarterbacks could be more interesting than usual in 2016 with Brock Osweiler among the players potentially reaching the market. That could affect the draft.

The personnel director acknowledged the Cowboys' need for defensive help, but he also thought Dallas would be foolish to pass up a true franchise quarterback. The question, of course, is whether Dallas will rate any of the available quarterbacks highly enough to select one so early. Can an organization afford to park a highly drafted quarterback on the bench for multiple seasons?

"If you are Jerry Jones, yes, you can," the personnel director said, noting that Jones, as the Cowboys' owner, enjoys job security no other GM can surpass. "I could see Goff going to Cleveland and Dallas taking Wentz. Romo is not a china doll, but he is getting to that point. You saw how bad they were without him -- it was tough to win a game."

Counterpoint: No QB at No. 4

Romo's contract carries a $20.8 million cap charge consuming 13.4 percent of the newly established $155,270,000 allotment. This huge financial commitment to Romo separates the Cowboys from the teams that used top-five selections for quarterbacks 19 times in the past 15 drafts. Those teams' highest-priced veteran quarterbacks carried cap charges between $395,914 and $5.75 million. None of those charges consumed more than 5.4 percent of the salary cap.

Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and JaMarcus Russell combined for only three rookie starts as top-five overall picks since 2001. Vick's Atlanta Falcons had veteran Chris Chandler signed to a deal that counted $4.1 million against the cap (4.7 percent of the allotment). Palmer's Cincinnati Bengals had Jon Kitna ($3.6 million cap hit, 5.4 percent). Rivers' San Diego Chargers had Drew Brees ($2.4 million, 4.1 percent). Russell's Oakland Raiders had Daunte Culpepper ($3.2 million, 3.8 percent).

None of the teams using top-five picks for quarterbacks was all-in on a veteran the way Dallas is all-in on Romo. That will make the Cowboys much more reluctant to use such a high choice for a player who ideally would not play soon.

"I really don't think they are going to take a quarterback because they will realize Goff is the only one and he is maybe gone by then," an offensive assistant coach said. "If they really need a quarterback, I bet they try to trade back. I doubt they take one in the second round because they won't get the one they want."

A veteran contract negotiator thought the Cowboys would be much more likely to sign a veteran backup than target another position with the fourth pick. "They are not willing to throw out Romo just yet," this negotiator said. "Now, would that stop them from paying $5 million for [a backup]? No."


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Just to scare Risen to death! Enjoy! Notice the direction of his gaze!

 

[Ashwynn]

This brings up a good point. You don't see teams often using a 1st round pick on a QB if they already have a QB in place for the next few years. The reason being in a normal sane NFL city, the GM actually has to have results to keep his job. He's fighting for his job every year. He needs that pick to produce for him a little sooner than a future investment on a QB who may not see the field until after he's fired.

We don't have that here. We have Jerry 4 life. He doesn't have to worry about his job. This isn't a concern for him. He simply needs to be alive to see the QB investment pay off.

Most QBs in place are not made of glass, We dont know if Romo will make it out of preseason, let alone the whole year. And there is a greater than zero percent chance that he wont make it out of preseaon.. Draft a potential starting QB while you can. Taking fliers on a Stephen McGee type (3rd round or later) is not taking a starting QB, its just that, taking on a flier on some one you hope will pan out. If you can get a Goff or Lynch in the 2nd, I am all for that. If you dont feel one will slide take a Wentz at 4 and move on.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Its funny how so many pretend to be sure about a 2016 QB, the odds say you're going to bust.Usually this years QBs would be late 1st and early 2nds, the odds for those to start are high stakes but @4 its a 'should've know' situation staring back at you.