ESPN: Talking to Glenn About return

[5Stars]

He was paid that money 15 months ago. There is no getting it back. Jones is essentially trying to recoup sunk costs which is not how the market works. What you paid 15 months ago has no bearing on the current negotiations.

If he doesn't think Glenn is worth his contract then he needs to just cut him but using a payment from 15 months ago as an excuse to lowball someone is insulting.

:laugh2:

Yeah, your right, fuzzy! I forgot that Jerry just found a few billion dollars because he DON'T KNOW HOW THE MARKET WORKS!

And you say Jerry is lowballing Glenn now? Jerry may sound dumb but he's not stupid! Jerry paid 1.4 million per play last year for Glenn...yeah, that's good money management.

If anything, Glenn should pay some of the coin back to Jerry just because Jerry let him HANG AROUND last season!

My point is, if Glenn is so sure that he can make it through the season, sign the damn paper and get it on! Jerry is not going to waste another 5 mil or whatever she's due in salary this season for 4 plays and 2 catches and a roster spot! Jerry lost money last year, and he damn well won't do it again...

"Low-balling"....

 

[5Stars]

Glenn is about to get on my last nerve.....and that is hard to do.

He want's "mo money...mo money...mo money"...!

For 4 freaking plays and 2 catches? Get outta here!

If he's confident and good to go, sign the paper and let's go win the SuperBowl...or...


GET LOST...!!!

 

[jobberone]

Many of us have said he will be here as long as they think he can play. And as long as his knee stays quiet they will hope and plan for the best. There are either 500,000 or 1,740,000 reasons for Glenn to play. Either way he is way ahead of the rest of us.

 

[jrumann59]

I remember last year I was called a fool because I said Glenn is notorious for doing things similar to this through his career. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. My point being last year he had 1 surgery right before training camp, why didn't he have it after the 2006-2007 season. He then had another surgery during TC to clean up stuff fromt he previous surgery I believe. Now he has had a whole off season to fix his knee and he says its better but he doesn't want to prove it by signing an injury waiver that is related to the completely "healed" knee. If his knee is so healthy why doesn't his agent negotiate a specific injury or independent examination into the waiver so if he blows his knee out it won't effect the pay out. I mean at best we get him all season but he will be limited in practice. Is his talent at 75% better than any one else at his position on the roster right now. We saw last year in the games he played he can hardly plant how is that going to affect arguably his best ability, getting in and out of cuts on routes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm hoping for a quick resolution. Sign the waiver and get on the field. See how the knee holds up (or doesn't) and use that knowledge accordingly.

If it responds well and it looks like he can play - great, the team could use his skills and this is where he wants to be.

If it doesn't, the sooner the team knows, the better and both he and the team can act accordingly.

All around, the sooner the better.

why? there is no rush

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Talk about not knowing facts.

He was paid his roster bonus in March and it was already in his contract. He got hurt in the summer.

Other than that you're entire reasoning is based on jealousy.

They are the very very scarce resource in a multi billion dollar industry. He is trying to see what the market will bear. Jones is the only one whining in all of this. He is whining over spilled milk and as we all know that is very childish.

They lowballed Glenn and he didn't like it. Do you like being lowballed or do you just take whatever your given and not even think about it?

if you can't see it from the Cowboy's perspective, then there's no use explaining anything else to you

they have as much right to assurances as Glenn does

I don't know what market you're talking about, all Jerry Jones wants is an assurance in case Glenn's degenerative knee doesn't hold up, and he doesn't have to pay him his full salary again, this isn't about trying to get money from Terry Glenn, or ridiculously trying to get back the 5+ mil he payed him last year

smart business is not paying a guy over 6 mil for doing basically nothing, having Glenn sign the waiver is a protection against that

 

[Disturbed]

Cut Glenn, he is done. Jerry is starting to worry me a little...thinking about going after another very very old WR and still holding onto hopes about Glenn. This is not rational thinking. I hope he is not starting to become like Al Davis of the raiders...senile and crazy.

Glenn and Horne are very very very old, and not worth any consideration on this team. Come on Jerry, wake up.

 

[sonnyboy]

Talk about not knowing facts.

He was paid his roster bonus in March and it was already in his contract. He got hurt in the summer.

Other than that you're entire reasoning is based on jealousy.

They are the very very scarce resource in a multi billion dollar industry. He is trying to see what the market will bear. Jones is the only one whining in all of this. He is whining over spilled milk and as we all know that is very childish.

They lowballed Glenn and he didn't like it. Do you like being lowballed or do you just take whatever your given and not even think about it?

You want to talk about facts? Here's a fact for you.

Terry Glenn's right surgically repaired knee will not pass an NFL team's physical.

That's it, end of story.

But given this fact.........

Jerry Jones' offer of a $500,000 injury waiver and an opportunity to play one more year and potentially earn $1.75 mil is extremely generous.

Their is a very good reason Jerry brings up the bonus and the fact Glenn earned 5 mil in 2007.

The bonus of I think about 3.5 mil was not just for 2007. It was for 2007 and 2008. That's how these deals work.

From the Cowboys' cap perspective, Glenn's counting about 3.25 mil in 2007 and 3.5 mil in 2008.

They had a decision to make in March of 2007 on Glenn. Do we commit 3.5 mil in bonus we cant get back and tentative salaries of 1.5 mil and 1.75 mil.

Jerry's POV on this is that they committed or allocated 6.75 mil in cap dollars for Glenn to perform in 2007 and 2008.

Glenn has already banked 5 mil of this or about 70% of the money while barely performing in 2007.

Now Jerry wants to offer Glenn another guaranteed 500k regardless of if he can ever play again if he forgoes the other 1.25 mil in the event he cant play.

When you consider the injury risk a player presents who cant pass his physical and the money Glenn will have banked regardless the last two years, this is a small concession the Cowboys have requested.

 

[Disturbed]

You want to talk about facts? Here's a fact for you.

Terry Glenn's right surgically repaired knee will not pass an NFL team's physical.

That's it, end of story.

Why can't Jerry see this obvious fact and cut him already....the whole world can see this fact.

 

[sonnyboy]

Cut Glenn, he is done. Jerry is starting to worry me a little...thinking about going after another very very old WR and still holding onto hopes about Glenn. This is not rational thinking. I hope he is not starting to become like Al Davis of the raiders...senile and crazy.

Glenn and Horne are very very very old, and not worth any consideration on this team. Come on Jerry, wake up.

As much as it pains me, you are probably right.

That's what kills me about this injury waiver request from the Cowboys. This is very much out of character for them. Historically speaking, they have been loyal to their accomplished veteran players to a fault.

That's been Jerry's biggest weakness. He's a softy. It's actually one of the things I admire most about him. He loves his players.

Now with that said, that's why I'm so sure Glenn's done. If Jones believed he had a legit 50/50 shot of making through even most of 2008, there's no way he asks for the injury waiver.

 

[Stash]

why? there is no rush

I think there is.

The team needs to find out if he can play or he can't.

And the sooner they find out, the sooner they can act accordingly if need be.

 

[links18]

Glenn could have had the micro-fracture surgery last year, went on IR and still banked the 5 million. Instead, he opted for the more risky medical option in order to try to help the team out in 2007. Either way, Glenn gets paid the 5 million. Jerry chose to keep the roster spot open all season in preparation for a playoff run. Who knows what we would have seen out of Glenn if the team hadn't choked and tanked it in the playoffs? Think he would have had an incentive to beat Belicheat in the Super Bowl if we made it that far?

All last season we heard this on this board: "Jerry wouldn't keep the roster spot open if he didn't expect Glenn to contribute in the playoffs. Jerry knows something." Maybe that's right and maybe Glenn would have contributed in the NFC championship and Super Bowl against 2 of his former teams, but we didn't get the chance to find out, because the team blew chunks when it mattered.

Point is Jerry didn't have to keep the roster spot open, so don't blame Glenn for wasting a roster spot. And don't blame him for the only 4 plays either, he could have opted for micro-fracture and in that case it would be 0 plays. And if his buddy Crayton makes a few plays or if Jacques Reeves doesn't give up an entire TD drive in under a minute, maybe Glenn would have showed us more last year.

Part of the stalemate right now is that Glenn didn't opt for the micro-fracture last year, but chose to try to help the team. If he had opted for micro-fracture then, maybe he would be close to rehabbed by this time?

I think part of Glenn's point of view is he put his body and health on the line last year to help the team and now Jerry is low balling him because he chose to sacrifice last year, rather than take the more medically prudent course of action. That was his choice, but Jerry enabled that by keeping the roster spot open. If he really wanted to Jerry could have IR'ed him and basically forced him to have the micro-fracture. Jerry basically said to Glenn, "we need year this year for the playoff run." But now that he isn't fully healed, because he tried to come back last year when it looked like a Super Bowl was possible Jerry wants to tear up the contract to protect himself from having to pay long snapper money. Sorry, Jerry looks bad here and as much as Glenn may prove to be irrelevant, don't think other players aren't watching this situation play out.....

 

[sonnyboy]

Glenn could have had the micro-fracture surgery last year, went on IR and still banked the 5 million. Instead, he opted for the more risky medical option in order to try to help the team out in 2007. Either way, Glenn gets paid the 5 million. Jerry chose to keep the roster spot open all season in preparation for a playoff run. Who knows what we would have seen out of Glenn if the team hadn't choked and tanked it in the playoffs? Think he would have had an incentive to beat Belicheat in the Super Bowl if we made it that far?

All last season we heard this on this board: "Jerry wouldn't keep the roster spot open if he didn't expect Glenn to contribute in the playoffs. Jerry knows something." Maybe that's right and maybe Glenn would have contributed in the NFC championship and Super Bowl against 2 of his former teams, but we didn't get the chance to find out, because the team blew chunks when it mattered.

Point is Jerry didn't have to keep the roster spot open, so don't blame Glenn for wasting a roster spot. And don't blame him for the only 4 plays either, he could have opted for micro-fracture and in that case it would be 0 plays. And if his buddy Crayton makes a few plays or if Jacques Reeves doesn't give up an entire TD drive in under a minute, maybe Glenn would have showed us more last year.

Part of the stalemate right now is that Glenn didn't opt for the micro-fracture last year, but chose to try to help the team. If he had opted for micro-fracture then, maybe he would be close to rehabbed by this time?

I think part of Glenn's point of view is he put his body and health on the line last year to help the team and now Jerry is low balling him because he chose to sacrifice last year, rather than take the more medically prudent course of action. That was his choice, but Jerry enabled that by keeping the roster spot open. If he really wanted to Jerry could have IR'ed him and basically forced him to have the micro-fracture. Jerry basically said to Glenn, "we need year this year for the playoff run." But now that he isn't fully healed, because he tried to come back last year when it looked like a Super Bowl was possible Jerry wants to tear up the contract to protect himself from having to pay long snapper money. Sorry, Jerry looks bad here and as much as Glenn may prove to be irrelevant, don't think other players aren't watching this situation play out.....

No he doesn't. Jerry has built up more than enough of what I would call "good faith equity" amongst the players.

The Cowboys under Jones have treated players as well or better than any other franchise.

 

[ZeroClub]

Lots of vets have injury issues. Few of them have signed waivers similar to what Glenn is being required to sign. (Can anybody here name 3 other established NFL vets who have signed similar waivers?) Furthermore, Glenn is being required to sign the waiver despite having an existing, current contract.

IMO, Glenn is being treated in a cheesy way.

 

[Tovya]

Lots of vets have injury issues. Few of them have signed waivers similar to what Glenn is being required to sign. (Can anybody here name 3 other established NFL vets who have signed similar waivers?) Furthermore, Glenn is being required to sign the waiver despite having an existing, current contract.

IMO, Glenn is being treated in a cheesy way.

I think that this is my point as well.

If Glenn were free agent, then I can understand... but he has a current contract with us.

He has played very hard for us, was a team player (even when people said he and T.O. could never co-exist), he never complained or ran his mouth, and he played with some pain in his knees too....

So if for loyalty sake alone, we should stick to the agreement.

I completely understand tearing up and agreement when a player gives your team the finger, refuses to play, or gripes that his CURRENT signed contract is too low. Those kind of players are babies, and they should be cut in many cases.

But this isn't Glenn at all. He has been a model player and model team citizen. By keeping our agreement with him and fulfilling our end of the bargain, it only helps us, because other players see this and realize that unlike other teams, the 'Boys do uphold there end of the bargain and they are loyal to their players...

That only encourages future free agents to come here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think there is.

The team needs to find out if he can play or he can't.

And the sooner they find out, the sooner they can act accordingly if need be.

you mean go w/ the group of TO, Witten, Crayton, Hurd, Austin and Stanback?

I think they've been preparing to go that route since he didn't pass his physical at the end of last year, and hence their asking for him to sign the waiver

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lots of vets have injury issues. Few of them have signed waivers similar to what Glenn is being required to sign. (Can anybody here name 3 other established NFL vets who have signed similar waivers?) Furthermore, Glenn is being required to sign the waiver despite having an existing, current contract.

IMO, Glenn is being treated in a cheesy way.

I don't see how, since he pocketed over 5 mil last year for 2 catches and 35 yards

 

[Alexander]

Lots of vets have injury issues. Few of them have signed waivers similar to what Glenn is being required to sign. (Can anybody here name 3 other established NFL vets who have signed similar waivers?) Furthermore, Glenn is being required to sign the waiver despite having an existing, current contract.

IMO, Glenn is being treated in a cheesy way.

No, he's not.

Most owners would already have cut a player in Glenn's circumstance instead of treating them "in a cheesy way". They'd just be on the street and without a chance of earning another cent.

These types of waivers and reassurances may be commonplace and we just do not hear about them. If not, then Jones is a pioneer. But most owners wouldn't have kept him active all year last season hoping he could come back. And most wouldn't even bother to be haggling with a clearly injured player hoping they could do the same a year later.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

me and Alexander actually agreeing on something, anything, hmmm

 

[jrumann59]

I think that Denver did it with Terrell Davis when he had a similar situation with his knee.