ESPN: Talking to Glenn About return

[LeonDixson]

Lots of vets have injury issues. Few of them have signed waivers similar to what Glenn is being required to sign. (Can anybody here name 3 other established NFL vets who have signed similar waivers?) Furthermore, Glenn is being required to sign the waiver despite having an existing, current contract.

IMO, Glenn is being treated in a cheesy way.

I'll bet a little research would reveal a lot of injured, aging players who were forced to take a straight reduction in salary if they wanted to remain on the team. At least Jerry is giving Terry the chance to earn his full salary if the knee stays healthy. That doesn't sound cheesy to me. It sounds generous.

I think that this is my point as well.

If Glenn were free agent, then I can understand... but he has a current contract with us.

He has played very hard for us, was a team player (even when people said he and T.O. could never co-exist), he never complained or ran his mouth, and he played with some pain in his knees too....

So if for loyalty sake alone, we should stick to the agreement.

I completely understand tearing up and agreement when a player gives your team the finger, refuses to play, or gripes that his CURRENT signed contract is too low. Those kind of players are babies, and they should be cut in many cases.

But this isn't Glenn at all. He has been a model player and model team citizen. By keeping our agreement with him and fulfilling our end of the bargain, it only helps us, because other players see this and realize that unlike other teams, the 'Boys do uphold there end of the bargain and they are loyal to their players...

That only encourages future free agents to come here.

There has been a number of free agents wanting to come to Dallas due to the way Jerry runs the franchise. I don't think this will keep them away.

No, he's not.

Most owners would already have cut a player in Glenn's circumstance instead of treating them "in a cheesy way". They'd just be on the street and without a chance of earning another cent.

These types of waivers and reassurances may be commonplace and we just do not hear about them. If not, then Jones is a pioneer. But most owners wouldn't have kept him active all year last season hoping he could come back. And most wouldn't even bother to be haggling with a clearly injured player hoping they could do the same a year later.

Either on the street or taking a reduced contract out of the gate to just be able to play. They wouldn't be given a chance to earn their full salary.

I'm one that wants Terry to play this year. I really like the guy. But I don't think he's being shafted. Especially if his knee is as sound as he's been telling everyone. If it's that good, sign the contract and you'll get your full $1.7 million.

 

[jobberone]

I remember last year I was called a fool because I said Glenn is notorious for doing things similar to this through his career. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. My point being last year he had 1 surgery right before training camp, why didn't he have it after the 2006-2007 season. He then had another surgery during TC to clean up stuff fromt he previous surgery I believe. Now he has had a whole off season to fix his knee and he says its better but he doesn't want to prove it by signing an injury waiver that is related to the completely "healed" knee. If his knee is so healthy why doesn't his agent negotiate a specific injury or independent examination into the waiver so if he blows his knee out it won't effect the pay out. I mean at best we get him all season but he will be limited in practice. Is his talent at 75% better than any one else at his position on the roster right now. We saw last year in the games he played he can hardly plant how is that going to affect arguably his best ability, getting in and out of cuts on routes.

I don't know about your being called a fool last year but you're not exactly right about the surgery stuff here. Having arthroscopy before camp to take a loose body out is a 10 min procedure with two ports put in the knee. I can do that operation and that wasn't my specialty. The recovery time is nil unless you get a joint infection or infection in a wound. Both of those are so low as to be not a significant problem. You could do 100 of those procedures on players right before camp and you wouldn't cause a lot of trouble for the team. So it is a non-issue. It is not necessary to do microfracture surgery. And if he can play well on his knee now then you can make a very good case he really didn't need it. It doesn't always work, can make things worse and the recovery time is rather extensive; like a year. So Glenn may have done exactly what he needed to do both times.

For the umptey upteenth time......WAIT and SEE WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE SAYING A LOT MORE.

Cut Glenn, he is done. Jerry is starting to worry me a little...thinking about going after another very very old WR and still holding onto hopes about Glenn. This is not rational thinking. I hope he is not starting to become like Al Davis of the raiders...senile and crazy.

Glenn and Horne are very very very old, and not worth any consideration on this team. Come on Jerry, wake up.

You just don't get it. You don't have the knowledge to make all these predictions. You are talking out your pitooty. TG may prove necessary for us to make a big SB push. With him playing well we have got to be close to favorites in the entire league. Jerry knows this which is why things are where they are right now between the two camps. TG will play here if he can offer the Cowboys something significant ehich it is obvious Jerry thinks he can. SO HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE CUT.

You want to talk about facts? Here's a fact for you.

Terry Glenn's right surgically repaired knee will not pass an NFL team's physical.

That's it, end of story.

But given this fact.........

Jerry Jones' offer of a $500,000 injury waiver and an opportunity to play one more year and potentially earn $1.75 mil is extremely generous.

Their is a very good reason Jerry brings up the bonus and the fact Glenn earned 5 mil in 2007.

The bonus of I think about 3.5 mil was not just for 2007. It was for 2007 and 2008. That's how these deals work.

From the Cowboys' cap perspective, Glenn's counting about 3.25 mil in 2007 and 3.5 mil in 2008.

They had a decision to make in March of 2007 on Glenn. Do we commit 3.5 mil in bonus we cant get back and tentative salaries of 1.5 mil and 1.75 mil.

Jerry's POV on this is that they committed or allocated 6.75 mil in cap dollars for Glenn to perform in 2007 and 2008.

Glenn has already banked 5 mil of this or about 70% of the money while barely performing in 2007.

Now Jerry wants to offer Glenn another guaranteed 500k regardless of if he can ever play again if he forgoes the other 1.25 mil in the event he cant play.

When you consider the injury risk a player presents who cant pass his physical and the money Glenn will have banked regardless the last two years, this is a small concession the Cowboys have requested.

I see both sides and I'm a little upset with both sides. The point is Jerry wants him on the Boys this year and badly. And TG wants the money and the possibility of glory. This will happen and it will become a small non-memorable issue.

Why can't Jerry see this obvious fact and cut him already....the whole world can see this fact.

Since he's not acting at all like he wants to but him but says he needs him, wants him and is very interested in TG. Therefore for the rest of the world we see both sides wanting to get it done and nowhere does Jerry either want to cut him or need to cut him. You're the only GM type that seems hot to cut him which is why you are in our hood and not in the Valley Ranch hood.

you mean go w/ the group of TO, Witten, Crayton, Hurd, Austin and Stanback?

I think they've been preparing to go that route since he didn't pass his physical at the end of last year, and hence their asking for him to sign the waiver

He has passed his physical this year and can practive as soon as he signs the injury clause in the contract with the 500K and the 1.74million

 

[Alexander]

If it's that good, sign the contract and you'll get your full $1.7 million.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, knows if he can do it more than Terry Glenn.

If he's reluctant, what should that logically tell you? The simple fact is that he wanted his own reassurances, saw that Jones wasn't soft and since his initial demands for release, he's done nothing but try to mend fences.

If he was truly healthy and knew he could land a job if cut earning more than the 500K, why would he care? We all know he'd be in Miami immediately if he was healthy and jobless. He is not even sure himself. His actions betray him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He has passed his physical this year and can practive as soon as he signs the injury clause in the contract with the 500K and the 1.74million

I thought he wasn't allowed to take one or practice until he signed the waiver?

 

[LeonDixson]

Nobody, absolutely nobody, knows if he can do it more than Terry Glenn.

If he's reluctant, what should that logically tell you? The simple fact is that he wanted his own reassurances, saw that Jones wasn't soft and since his initial demands for release, he's done nothing but try to mend fences.

If he was truly healthy and knew he could land a job if cut earning more than the 500K, why would he care? We all know he'd be in Miami immediately if he was healthy and jobless. He is not even sure himself. His actions betray him.

I agree completely. My comment was basically that Terry should put up or shut up. There is a chance that the issue for him is really just the principle of the thing; but I believe he knows that the knee is a big risk.

 

[dooomsday]

I keep reading he failed his post season physical. Did he pass any since last season ended? Wouldnt he have to at some point? Is this all moot if he cannot pass?

 

[starfrombirth]

Do you like being lowballed or do you just take whatever your given and not even think about it?

If I got paid 5 million to sit on my *** and workout last year, I'd take my 500K guaranteed and prove I'm worth the rest. TG's problem is that he is relatively certain his knee won't hold up and wants the full amount of the rest of his contract. He tried to play shady and got busted. That's all.

 

[Tovya]

If I got paid 5 million to sit on my *** and workout last year, I'd take my 500K guaranteed and prove I'm worth the rest. TG's problem is that he is relatively certain his knee won't hold up and wants the full amount of the rest of his contract. He tried to play shady and got busted. That's all.

Yeah, you probablly would... but you don't play in the NFL now, do you? It's a whole different story when the shoes is on your feet.

In my line of work, I make a lot more than a lot of pro-athletes. But I can tell you right now, no matter how much money I make, I'm still going to try and squeeze another dollar out of everyone I do business with.

$500,000 isn't very much money (I know that's hard to believe), but after you take medical bills associated with his knee (for the rest of his LIFE) and income taxes, I'll guarantee you that the $500,000 will be a negative number when it is all said and done.

 

[JonJon]

Glenn

"I want Jerry to understand that I know he has the ultimate power in everything that goes on with the Cowboys, and I'm not trying to challenge him in any way, shape or form," Glenn told Werder earlier this month. "He can -- and will -- determine the outcome of this because it's ultimately his decision. But what I want is to remain a Cowboy. I've been here for five years and I've made Dallas my home, and I would love nothing more than to be a Dallas Cowboy."

Go ahead and sign that waiver then.