ESPN'S Sal Pal says T.O. most overrated WR!!!

theebs

Believe!!!!
Messages
27,462
Reaction score
9,207
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3328008

This article is so funny. He says owens is not that good and that he has never done anything against the eagles when lito sheppard plays and cites november 4th of this past season as case in point. Saying sheppard didnt play and owens played great and then in december sheppard did play and owens stunk!!

Now I dont like owens one bit, cant stand him actually. But these types of articles are plain stupid. Couldnt you write the same thing about Dan Marino 10 years ago? How many playoff games did he win? Anyway, Lito sheppard had 3 tackles and an interception in november against us. Try again Sal Pal.

This is what I expect Espn to do all summer. Promote the hatred towards Dallas when nfl times are slow. It is their only way to compete with the nfl network. Pretty funny stuff. I cant believe I am defending owens, but this article is just ridiculous. Kind of like Ron Jaworski in 06 saying he watched all the tape! and owens was a player with diminished skills who was losing speed and is an average player! Funny how all these philly guys have this stuff to say!

Selfishness, drops, playoff disappearing acts make T.O. overrated

By Sal Paolantonio
ESPN.com
(Archive)





Updated: April 8, 2008



nfl_g_owens_580.jpg
Getty Images
Terrell Owens is talented, productive -- and usually ends up hurting a team more than he helps it.

Some recent "best of" lists have been putting Terrell Owens in the same sentence as Jerry Rice. What are these people thinking?


Rice, a member of the NFL 75th Anniversary Team, has won three Super Bowl titles and been named a Super Bowl MVP.


The one time in Owens' 12-year career his team reached a Super Bowl, it got there without him. That tells you everything you need to know about T.O.


Since entering the NFL in 1996 with San Francisco, Owens has piled up some remarkable numbers. His 129 career receiving touchdowns trail only Rice and Cris Carter. He's ninth all time in catches (882) and 10th in yards (13,070).


And, along the way, he has destroyed two football teams.


By 2003, the 49ers had enough of his act. After joining the Eagles in 2004, it took him only a year and a half to estrange himself from the team.


With T.O., it's not about winning, it's about T.O. And that's only occasionally conducive to winning. Whether he's questioning Jeff Garcia's sexuality, blasting Donovan McNabb's Super Bowl performance or doing sit-ups for TV cameras on his front lawn, Owens generally finds himself making headlines for all the wrong reasons.


Early in his career, Owens was humble, soft-spoken and respectful to his teammates and coaches -- and deferential to Rice. But as he became more and more dangerous on the field, Owens became more and more unpredictable off it.


In 2000 and 2001, he posted consecutive 1,400-yard seasons, something only Rice and Marvin Harrison have achieved. He looked every bit like a budding Hall of Famer. But he changed. And most of what he accomplished on the field began to be overshadowed by his increasingly erratic behavior off it.


"He started out as 90 percent Terrell and 10 percent T.O.," a former coach said. "A few years later, he was 90 percent T.O. and 10 percent Terrell."


Owens began criticizing his coaches, ripping his teammates and shredding team chemistry, which effectively neutralized his on-field pyrotechnics.


That's why Owens is one of the most overrated wide receivers in NFL history.


No matter how many passes he catches, no matter how many touchdowns he scores, no matter how many Pro Bowls he's selected to, he always ends up hurting his team more than he helps it.


"He's like a wild bronco," former NFL quarterback Boomer Esiason said. "Every cowboy thinks he can control him, but there are some broncos that nobody can saddle."


And by the way, during his two years in Dallas, he has dropped 27 passes, according to Stats, LLC. That's more than anybody else in the league (Cleveland's Braylon Edwards is second with 20). And, sometimes, all you have to do is cover Owens to render him ineffective. Take Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard. When the Cowboys played the Eagles last season without Sheppard on Nov. 4 in Philly, Owens caught 10 balls for 174 yards with one touchdown. On Dec. 16 in Dallas, Sheppard shut down Owens, who caught only two passes for 37 yards.


Owens began his career playing alongside Rice, who didn't have to brag to convince people he was the greatest receiver of all time. The 49ers won playoff games with Rice and T.O. in 1996, 1997 and 1998, advancing to the NFC Championship Game in 1997.


But without Rice, Owens has hardly won a thing. During the past seven seasons, Owens has been in uniform for just one postseason victory. His lifetime playoff record is 4-7 -- and of those four wins, three came in the wild-card round. And in four of his past six postseason games -- the biggest games of his career -- this alleged superstar had 49 or fewer receiving yards.


His total postseason record without Rice is 1-5. Since leaving San Francisco, Owens has not won a playoff game.


The 2004 Eagles were forced to play their first two postseason games without an injured Owens and won both easily. With Owens back, they lost 24-21 to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX. Owens had a big game (9 catches for 122 yards), but instead of showing disappointment about the loss, he celebrated his performance in his postgame news conference.


"Nobody in the world gave me a chance," he crowed after the game. "God is good. God is great."


Why so happy after a loss? Because 9-for-122 matters far more to T.O. than a 24-21 loss in the Super Bowl.


Maybe that's why during the past nine years, Owens' teams have won more postseason games without him than with him.


Since joining the Cowboys, Owens is 0-2 in the postseason, with just six catches for 75 yards in two playoff games. In his past four playoff games, he has only one touchdown catch, which came last season in a loss at home to the Giants. Owens, who will be 35 in December and is going into the last year of his contract with the Cowboys, makes for a big show in Big D -- until the big games come around.


"When it comes to this game, I'm the best in the field," Owens sang in a 2006 rap single.

If being the best means ignoring your coaches, insulting your teammates, failing to produce in the playoffs and dropping more passes than anybody else in the league, he's absolutely right.
 

TellerMorrow34

BraveHeartFan
Messages
28,358
Reaction score
5,076
I read this earlier and simply laughed. While I don't think T.O. is anywhere near as great as Jerry was (Who IMHO is by far the best WR to ever play the game) he isn't over-rated.

But, then again, Sal doesn't say much that doesn't just make me laugh, shake my head, and feel sorry for him and how stupid he makes himself look and sound.
 

theebs

Believe!!!!
Messages
27,462
Reaction score
9,207
BraveHeartFan;2028503 said:
I read this earlier and simply laughed. While I don't think T.O. is anywhere near as great as Jerry was (Who IMHO is by far the best WR to ever play the game) he isn't over-rated.

But, then again, Sal doesn't say much that doesn't just make me laugh, shake my head, and feel sorry for him and how stupid he makes himself look and sound.


Anytime I am publicly defending terrell owens, someone on the other end screwed up royally. Enter Sal Pal.

I would love to spoof NFL Live with some actors. IF I knew some people who could act and make themselves look similar to some of the characters on espns nfl live like sal pal, schelereth, wingo, qadry, buchannon I would do it.

Put up the green screen, make some graphics and make some funny for the internet but alas I know no actors! How much fun would that be. Week by week spoofing of how espn portrays Dallas. It would be very over the top and alot of fun.

Oh well. Back to the laundry for me.
 

superpunk

Well-Known Member
Messages
26,330
Reaction score
75
It must be pretty tough to type when your hands are wrapped so tightly around Donovan McNabb's *edited for content*.
 

Avery

The Dog that Saved Charleston
Messages
19,465
Reaction score
20,518
Apparently, taking a subpar performance of one game is an accurate snapshot of an entire career.

Sal is still bitter that he left the Eagles.
 

Stash

Staff member
Messages
78,835
Reaction score
103,565
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
The one time in Owens' 12-year career his team reached a Super Bowl, it got there without him. That tells you everything you need to know about T.O.

This line tells you all you need to know.

The Eagles coasted into the playoffs because they were so good with Owens out there.

They played two cupcakes when they got there.

And the only guy who kept them from getting embarrassed when they made the Super Bowl was Terrell Owens. You know, the guy who rushed back to help his team win?

Sal is just bummed that Owens left Philly and the Eagles aren't relevant anymore. Now he has nothing to write about - obviously.
 

SultanOfSix

Star Power
Messages
12,957
Reaction score
8,174
Wow. I didn't know one player was responsible for wins in the regular season, playoffs, and SB until Sal used this argument throughout his article. Also, one only has to cover Owens to render him ineffective was a very insightful comment.

Sal is a genius. :rolleyes:
 

hairic

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,724
Reaction score
650
That game was Romo missing people and Romo's thumb injury.

Thread broken.
 

LittleBoyBlue

Redvolution
Messages
35,766
Reaction score
8,411
The timing of this article is great.


T.O. has been doing....



Well... nothing....





:rolleyes:
Shouldnt there be a journalist law about Exuming a story
 

joseephuss

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,041
Reaction score
6,920
T.O. did not destroy the 49ers. That is a myth. He was disruptive for sure, but he did not destroy them. They got old and did a poor job replacing their aging talent. They also got in salary cap trouble. T.O. had no control over those aspects of the franchise.

The Eagles situation was similar. T.O. did not destroy that team. Again he was disruptive, but that was a small factor as to why the team was poor in 2005. They had a lot of injuries to key contributors to their team that season including McNabb dealing with a sports hernia the whole year.

T.O. can be a jerk and a terrible teammate, but people give him way to much credit if they think he or any other single player can destroy a franchise. If he starts wreaking havoc in Dallas this year it won't destroy the franchise. It will just set back the wide receiver position and be a pain in the back side. If Dallas ends up sucking for years to come it will be because of a lot of different things that have nothing to do with T.O.

Sal's example of the two Philly games was silly. T.O. was open plenty of times in that second match up. Tony Romo had a terrible game because he was completely inaccurate and made poor decisions to whole game. Romo was the reason that T.O. did not have big numbers that game. Had he been semi-accurate T.O. would have had big numbers that game including what could have been a long TD early in the game.

T.O. is over rated if some people sit there and think he is at the same level as Jerry Rice. I don't know where Sal saw that comparison, but I have not seen that kind of statement made. I rarely see T.O. compared to any of the greats from previous eras. Mostly I just see him compared to his contemporaries and then he is rarely mentioned as the #1 guy. He is usually in the top 5 and that seems about right.

I don't think T.O. is over rated because he is often given the proper amount of respect for the good he brings to the field and is also often rightly criticized for the bad he brings to the field such as dropped passes. I rarely see him talked about as he is the best ever or even the best currently.
 

Boyzmamacita

CowBabe Up!!!
Messages
29,047
Reaction score
64,100
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
I guess it's just killing Sal Pal that TO has been a good guy lately. His production last season was undeniable and he's by all accounts a very good teammate. Even guys in SF and Philly had good things to say about him and the same has held true in Dallas. Let go of your grudge Sally Pally. It makes you look silly.
 

LittleBoyBlue

Redvolution
Messages
35,766
Reaction score
8,411
joseephuss;2028553 said:
T.O. did not destroy the 49ers. That is a myth. He was disruptive for sure, but he did not destroy them. They got old and did a poor job replacing their aging talent. They also got in salary cap trouble. T.O. had no control over those aspects of the franchise.

The Eagles situation was similar. T.O. did not destroy that team. Again he was disruptive, but that was a small factor as to why the team was poor in 2005. They had a lot of injuries to key contributors to their team that season including McNabb dealing with a sports hernia the whole year.

T.O. can be a jerk and a terrible teammate, but people give him way to much credit if they think he or any other single player can destroy a franchise. If he starts wreaking havoc in Dallas this year it won't destroy the franchise. It will just set back the wide receiver position and be a pain in the back side. If Dallas ends up sucking for years to come it will be because of a lot of different things that have nothing to do with T.O.

Sal's example of the two Philly games was silly. T.O. was open plenty of times in that second match up. Tony Romo had a terrible game because he was completely inaccurate and made poor decisions to whole game. Romo was the reason that T.O. did not have big numbers that game. Had he been semi-accurate T.O. would have had big numbers that game including what could have been a long TD early in the game.

T.O. is over rated if some people sit there and think he is at the same level as Jerry Rice. I don't know where Sal saw that comparison, but I have not seen that kind of statement made. I rarely see T.O. compared to any of the greats from previous eras. Mostly I just see him compared to his contemporaries and then he is rarely mentioned as the #1 guy. He is usually in the top 5 and that seems about right.

I don't think T.O. is over rated because he is often given the proper amount of respect for the good he brings to the field and is also often rightly criticized for the bad he brings to the field such as dropped passes. I rarely see him talked about as he is the best ever or even the best currently.


Good post. Telling both sides. Unbiased. I like that.

I was concerned when we signed TO.
But now... I think he has truly found a team where he is happy and I think he wants to do right(in many ways) by the Cowboys and himself.

I think he signs another deal and retires as a Cowboy.
 

JohnnyHopkins

This is a house of learned doctors
Messages
11,302
Reaction score
3,610
Odd that one of the most overrated "NFL Experts" would write about someone being overrated.
 

AdamJT13

Salary Cap Analyst
Messages
16,583
Reaction score
4,529
theebs;2028498 said:
Anyway, Lito sheppard had 3 tackles and an interception in november against us.

And he missed a tackle on Owens' 45-yard TD catch that made it 28-7 in the third quarter.
 

TEUFELI

New Member
Messages
402
Reaction score
0
Didnt sal do a "brett favre really actually sucked" article a few weeks ago too?

Is sal becoming the bitter old man to the nfl what billy packer has become to ncaa basketball?
 

BigBlacKahuna

22Cowboys21
Messages
2,819
Reaction score
2,232
joseephuss;2028553 said:
T.O. did not destroy the 49ers. That is a myth. He was disruptive for sure, but he did not destroy them. They got old and did a poor job replacing their aging talent. They also got in salary cap trouble. T.O. had no control over those aspects of the franchise.

The Eagles situation was similar. T.O. did not destroy that team. Again he was disruptive, but that was a small factor as to why the team was poor in 2005. They had a lot of injuries to key contributors to their team that season including McNabb dealing with a sports hernia the whole year.

T.O. can be a jerk and a terrible teammate, but people give him way to much credit if they think he or any other single player can destroy a franchise. If he starts wreaking havoc in Dallas this year it won't destroy the franchise. It will just set back the wide receiver position and be a pain in the back side. If Dallas ends up sucking for years to come it will be because of a lot of different things that have nothing to do with T.O.

Sal's example of the two Philly games was silly. T.O. was open plenty of times in that second match up. Tony Romo had a terrible game because he was completely inaccurate and made poor decisions to whole game. Romo was the reason that T.O. did not have big numbers that game. Had he been semi-accurate T.O. would have had big numbers that game including what could have been a long TD early in the game.

T.O. is over rated if some people sit there and think he is at the same level as Jerry Rice. I don't know where Sal saw that comparison, but I have not seen that kind of statement made. I rarely see T.O. compared to any of the greats from previous eras. Mostly I just see him compared to his contemporaries and then he is rarely mentioned as the #1 guy. He is usually in the top 5 and that seems about right.

I don't think T.O. is over rated because he is often given the proper amount of respect for the good he brings to the field and is also often rightly criticized for the bad he brings to the field such as dropped passes. I rarely see him talked about as he is the best ever or even the best currently.

Exactly!
 

WoodysGirl

U.N.I.T.Y
Staff member
Messages
79,281
Reaction score
45,651
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
I think the premise of this article by Sal started with T.O. being listed as one of the Top Wide Receivers of all time.

By Mike Sando

Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

Jerry Rice caught passes from two of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history. He played for the most influential offensive coach of his era, surrounded by a roster flush with talent.


The most prolific receiver in NFL history also flourished after the league changed rules to favor the passing game, fueling statistical inflation on a scale previously unseen.



Rice had a lot going for him, in other words, but not enough to dissuade seven expert panelists from naming him the greatest receiver in NFL history. Singling out Rice was the easy part.



"Jerry Rice, he's so obvious, it scares me," said panelist Boyd Dowler, a longtime scout and coach who finished his playing career in 1971 with 474 receptions, five championships and an eventual spot in the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame.

Unanimity turned to ambiguity when ESPN.com asked Dowler and fellow panelists Raymond Berry, Mike Holmgren, Warren Moon, Ken Houston, Ted Thompson and Keyshawn Johnson to rank the greatest receivers after Rice. Panelists placed 13 players in the second through fifth overall slots. They ranked seven others between sixth and 10th. That left 20 all-time greats fighting for nine spots, and much work to be done.


"You reach a certain point and it's hard to do," said Berry, the NFL's career leader in receptions and receiving yards when he retired from the Baltimore Colts in 1967. "I've seen too many great ones, and it's hard to find a standard."



An exhaustive analysis of the panelists' rankings, supplemented by more than six hours of interviews, gave New England's Randy Moss a slight edge over Green Bay legend Don Hutson for the second overall spot. Michael Irvin was fourth, followed by Paul Warfield, Charley Taylor, Steve Largent, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens and Marvin Harrison. (Click here for bios of panelists.)



"Moss has the best hands of anyone today," said Thompson, the Packers' general manager. "A lot of guys can catch. He can catch on any platform, as we say in scouting. He can adjust and catch it over the top of somebody's head, catch it falling down -- and it doesn't matter if he is covered."



All 10 receivers put up numbers that ranked them among the top producers of their eras. But panelists unanimously discounted raw statistics as a meaningful tool. They explained how changes in the game made the number of receptions less relevant than ever. They placed more value on touchdowns and yards per reception. They also singled out toughness as a leading characteristic of the great ones.



"They've got to have big-play ability," said Moon, one of three panelists enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, along with Berry and Houston. "They have to have toughness. They have to be able to get off man-for-man, bump-and-run at the line of scrimmage. And they have to be able to make the big play at the right time."




Inside the Rankings

Among those left on the outside, Art Monk, Berry and James Lofton came closest to cracking the top 10.



ESPN.com asked panelists to pay particular attention to their top five overall choices. The goal was to make sure players commanding multiple high selections made it onto the list.



Berry declined to vote for himself. Three other panelists ranked Berry between eighth and 10th. An additional ranking among the top five probably would have moved Berry onto the list.



Monk drew two top-five selections, topped by a No. 4 ranking from Johnson. Three other panelists left off Monk entirely. Johnson, the youngest panelist by a wide margin, steered clear of ranking players from earlier eras. The rankings provided by more seasoned panelists carried more weight as a result.


No player without a top-five ranking earned a spot on the list. Lofton drew three top-10 votes, but none in the top five. Two of the three top-10 votes cast for Taylor fell in the top five, helping him land the sixth overall spot.


Charlie Joiner -- once described by Bill Walsh as "the most intelligent, the smartest, the most calculating receiver the game has ever known" -- was the only receiver other than Moss and Hutson to earn a No. 2 overall ranking from a panelist. But five other panelists left off Joiner from their top 10s, another indication of the project's complexity.



ESPN.com provided panelists with a list of nearly 200 receivers. The list showed Hall of Famers at the top. The rest were sorted by most seasons played, beginning with Rice (20).



With so many candidates, panelists hunted for ways to narrow their lists. For some, misgivings about defensive talent during the early days of the AFL hurt Hall of Famers Lance Alworth and Don Maynard.



Panelists agreed to participate as long as their full rankings remained private. They wanted to offer unvarnished rankings without offending former associates who failed to appear on their lists.


ESPN.com also adjusted for favoritism. Holmgren and Thompson offered strong arguments for Sterling Sharpe, but their testimony on the subject carried less weight because Sharpe played for them in Green Bay, and he failed to generate momentum among other panelists.



Moon ranked Carter, his former Minnesota Vikings teammate, among his top five. Four other panelists ranked Carter among their 10 best, including two who ranked him sixth. Harrison, Moss and Rice were the only others to appear on at least five top 10 lists. That was enough to affirm Carter's standing among the greats.



"I think the best hands of the bunch belonged to Cris Carter in terms of just making unbelievable catches," Dowler said.



Irvin placed among the top five three times.



"I thought he was one of the guys that probably could have played in any era," said Houston, one of nine safeties in the Hall of Fame. "That is probably a good way to put it when talking about these guys: Could you play in any era? He would fit that profile."



Hutson, Rice and Largent remain the only players since 1950 to hold the career records for receptions, receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. Two panelists ranked Largent fourth overall. Two others ranked him eighth.



"Steve Largent has to be a guy I would think about right away with his consistent track record and production over the years," Berry said.

What To Do With T.O.

No receiver generated a wider range of opinions than Owens.



Most panelists criticized the Dallas Cowboys receiver for dropping far too many passes. (Owens dropped a league-high 17 in 2006 and 10 more in 2007, tied for third-most in the league, according to Stats, LLC.) But most panelists also lauded Owens' toughness and big-play ability (he has nearly twice as many touchdowns as Monk -- 129 to 68 -- despite 58 fewer receptions and 51 fewer games).

Dowler, who retired in 2007 after a decade in scouting with the Atlanta Falcons, ranked Owens third, behind only Rice and Moss. Two other panelists ranked Owens sixth and seventh. A fourth panelist ranked him 10th.



Dowler's input was significant because he played the position at a high level and coached with five NFL teams before becoming a scout. His willingness to rank Moss and Owens among his top three suggested Dowler, a member of the NFL's all-decade team for the 1960s, wasn't partial to a bygone era.



"(Owens) probably drops too many passes to be on this list," Dowler said, "but he makes so many that are so good, it's incredible. The ones he drops, he comes right back. I can't eliminate him. He is so big and so strong.



"And he is the epitome of toughness. It isn't good enough to just go out there when you are hurt. If you go out there and play, you have to play the same. Some guys are capable of doing that."



Even Johnson, one of Owens' most outspoken critics, grudgingly found a spot in his top 10 for the Dallas receiver.



"It's a hard one not to put him in because he has good numbers," said Johnson, who caught 814 passes with four teams, most recently Carolina in 2006. "The reasons why he shouldn't be in are because he drops too many balls, he isn't as consistent, he's not a complete wide receiver in my book, he doesn't dominate all the time, he doesn't dominate in playoff games, he didn't help his team win the Super Bowl and he's selfish."



Three other panelists left off Owens altogether.



"The No. 1 job, you gotta catch it," one of the dissenters said. "You would never consider a guy who drops 17 balls in a season. It's off-the-board ridiculous."

<snip>

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3309223
 

sonnyboy

Benched
Messages
7,357
Reaction score
0
Sal's a POS!

But I love him because he helps me maintain my intense hatred for the eagles.

Fact: The eagles traded for Owens in 2004.

Fact: In 2004 the eagles had their most successful season in the modern era of football.

Fact: In 2004, McNabb had by far, his most successful season. Check the numbers, the only year that comes close is 2005 when he played half the year with Owens.

Fact: Owens was the best player on the field in SB XL.

Fact: You couldn't convince an eagle fan Owens would do well in Dallas.

Fact: Every bit of success Owens has with the Cowboys is like poison for an eagles fan.

Fact: Sal Pal is a POS.
 
Top