Even Considering Drafting Jeanty is Insane

[kskboys]

So what would you do if your RB is producing at a high level his first three years and his agent demands a new market value deal the 4th year?
In other words, he wants nothing a tag or 5th year option.

Let him sit for nothing. Bell found out that you never recover the millions you leave sitting on the table.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yeah but each team paid a boatload of money for the backs. Salary cap room is just as important. I bet you can’t remember without looking up the 1st round pick Tennessee drafted instead of Henry. You take the best player on the board. Jeanty is “Him”.

Eagles are paying 13m$ a year. Was Gallup paid a boatload of money? The Ravens 9m$ a year. Thats a shade higher than the boatload Malik Hooker is getting paid. Yet another reason not to take a RB in the first round.

And I do remember who it was because that was the Carson Wentz/Zeke draft. Tennessee also had a top 10 pick, and it’s one of the guys Dallas could have taken instead: one of the only tackles ever to be 1st team all-pro his rookie year, Jack Conklin.

Getting an All-Pro lineman in the first round and Derrick Henry in the second is way better than getting Zeke in the first

 

[kskboys]

I agree Zeke was picked too high as stated but that doesn't mean Ramsey was the best pick for the Cowboys at 4. There are reasons the Jags and Rams moved on despite spending a ton of resources ( Jags --- 4th overall pick but refuse to offer a 2nd contract and Rams after trading two first-round picks ) I am not questioning his talent, that was never a question but there were other issues )

Zeke was BPA. Yet another reason why you never draft using only one strategy.

Taking CBs and RBs high in the draft is the way to NOT make super bowls.

 

[CATCH17]

So what would you do if your RB is producing at a high level his first three years and his agent demands a new market value deal the 4th year?
In other words, he wants nothing a tag or 5th year option.

Extend at year 3 for 3 years.

 

[kskboys]

Eagles are paying 13m$ a year. Was Gallup paid a boatload of money? The Ravens 9m$ a year. Thats a shade higher than the boatload Malik Hooker is getting paid. Yet another reason not to take a RB in the first round.

And I do remember who it was because that was the Carson Wentz/Zeke draft. Tennessee also had a top 10 pick, and it’s one of the guys Dallas could have taken instead: one of the only tackles ever to be 1st team all-pro his rookie year, Jack Conklin.

Getting an All-Pro lineman in the first round and Derrick Henry in the second is way better than getting Zeke in the first

Sure, but you can't use a freak such as Henry to try and support an idea.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Zeke was BPA. Yet another reason why you never draft using only one strategy.

Taking CBs and RBs high in the draft is the way to NOT make super bowls.

I agree but as stated, drafting Zeke in their mind was all about Romo and having a top-flight RB in the DeMarco Murray mode (2014) when he had a career year.

 

[kskboys]

Go back and look at how many recent Super Bowl winners had 1,000 yard. Rushers. Pretty crazy actually. I think Blount with NE was the last one

Bad example. If Pacheco hadn't gotten injured last 2 years, the last 2 super bowl winners would've had a thousand yd rusher. TB had Jones rushing for 978 in 20. 1,000 yds by one guy is not some sort of magical number that kicks in.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Let him sit for nothing. Bell found out that you never recover the millions you leave sitting on the table.

You may lose your locker room ........see Charles Haley and Emmitt Smith

 

[kskboys]

I agree but as stated, drafting Zeke in their mind was all about Romo and having a top-flight RB in the DeMarco Murray mode (2014) when he had a career year.

Agree. An overreaction after Jerry screwed up badly by letting Demarco walk and not replacing him adequately.

This "any RB is fine" idea is silly. It's fine for the fans to believe that, but an NFL GM can absolutely not afford to.

 

[kskboys]

You may lose your locker room ........see Charles Haley and Emmitt Smith

And if you overpay your RB, you won't win a super bowl.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Agree. An overreaction after Jerry screwed up badly by letting Demarco walk and not replacing him adequately.

......What's crazy is after Murray and the Eagles ( Chip Kelly ) didn't work out he thought he was returning to the Cowboys until the Titans stepped in at the last minute with a better deal. So after letting him and Joseph Randall fail, they tried/wanted to bring Murray back.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

And if you overpay your RB, you won't win a super bowl.

I agree but it's a tough call..........especially if your guy has led or been a top 3 RB in his first years in the league.

 

[kskboys]

......What's crazy is after Murray and the Eagles ( Chip Kelly ) didn't work out he thought he was returning to the Cowboys until the Titans stepped in at the last minute with a better deal. So after letting him and Joseph Randall fail, they tried/wanted to bring Murray back.

A very common terrible execution of GM duties by this franchise.

 

[kskboys]

I agree but it's a tough call..........especially if your guy has led or been a top 3 RB in his first years in the league.

Correct. So, it all depends on what he's demanding. If it's a little more and a guarantee, OK. But if he wants a ton more, simply let him sit, then kick in his 5th year option and let him sit again. See how much he'll make after sitting out for a couple years.

 

[Landryhat73]

You draft the more valuable position and then Henry falls in your lap round 2.

Their thinking is the reason we are where we are. Poor decision after poor decision in relation to roster management.

It’s easy to play Monday morning QB. Elliott was the much better pro prospect coming into the draft and was unbelievable his first four years. No one could predict that his wheels would fall off and Henry would stay consistent.

Realistically the results of 2016 draft was terrible. Elliott was the right pick for that year and the results showed the first four years. In the long run would a combination of Henry and Ramsey been better probably. But Henry wasn’t that special at the start of his career and Dallas thought then were in a Super Bowl window with Romo. The issue was taking Smith in the 2nd with nerve damage. If we can go back how about Elliott in the 1st and Hargrave in the 2nd.

 

[cnuball21]

It’s easy to play Monday morning QB. Elliott was the much better pro prospect coming into the draft and was unbelievable his first four years. No one could predict that his wheels would fall off and Henry would stay consistent.

Realistically the results of 2016 draft was terrible. Elliott was the right pick for that year and the results showed the first four years. In the long run would a combination of Henry and Ramsey been better probably. But Henry wasn’t that special at the start of his career and Dallas thought then were in a Super Bowl window with Romo. The issue was taking Smith in the 2nd with nerve damage. If we can go back how about Elliott in the 1st and Hargrave in the 2nd.

It’s really hard to mess up a top 10 pick if you just take the best talent at a money position.

Ramsey or Buckner…take your pick either would’ve been grand slams.

In no universe am I blowing a top 5 pick on a RB.

 

[Landryhat73]

It’s really hard to mess up a top 10 pick if you just take the best talent at a money position.

Ramsey or Buckner…take your pick either would’ve been grand slams.

In no universe am I blowing a top 5 pick on a RB.

That is our opinion, mine is Elliott is what that team needed in that given year. It just didn’t work out - Romo got hurt in preseason and we lost in the playoffs to Rogers.

 

[cnuball21]

That is our opinion, mine is Elliott is what that team needed in that given year. It just didn’t work out - Romo got hurt in preseason and we lost in the playoffs to Rogers.

Yea, and the reasons why it didn’t work out is exactly why you don’t do it.

 

[Landryhat73]

Yea, and the reasons why it didn’t work out is exactly why you don’t do it.

Dallas was in a different position in 2016 than now. They were a playoff team in 2014that was crushed by injuries the following season. The trenches were already established. The missing piece was the RB and they got the number #1 seed the following season, even with Romo out. No way I take Jeanty in a similar position this year because of all the position of needs. The Elliott draft was different, the belief was he would be the difference maker and he was but we couldn’t get passed Rogers and Elliott burned out rather quickly. Detroit took Gibbs 12th and would probably have taken Robinson if they had an earlier pick because that was the team need.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree Zeke was picked too high as stated but that doesn't mean Ramsey was the best pick for the Cowboys at 4. There are reasons the Jags and Rams moved on despite spending a ton of resources ( Jags --- 4th overall pick but refuse to offer a 2nd contract and Rams after trading two first-round picks ) I am not questioning his talent, that was never a question but there were other issues )

He wanted out of Jacksonville. This was not an issue of the Jags not wanting to retain him.

You're making it sound like Ramsey wanted to stay but the Jags simply wanted to move on.

1) Ramsey didn't like the way he was being utilized;
2) He wanted to get paid and said he wouldn't provide the Jags a "hometown" discount; and
3) He asked for the trade.

The Rams needed to recoup draft capital and salary cap savings. They also cut Bobby Wagner and Leonard Floyd that offseason.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27632449/ramsey-wants-jacksonville-asks-trade