Even in 3rd to 4th round, why receiver?

[jterrell]

If you draw up a "dream" draft scenario Dallas isn't taking a WR.

We need big dudes badly and it would be ideal to supplement that with a safety and a running back and a blocking TE.

All that said you can't be blind to talent.


for instance...
Mike Wallace was a pet cat of mine coming out. He was an avg sized(at 190 pounds or so in the SEC) player with blazing speed (4.2 at combine). He wasn't a pure WR at Ole Miss but piled up all-purpose yards.

Now if Dallas was to take that player is that a bad draft pick? Is need for a back up RB or developmental RT really that important?

Other than r1 or r2 QB and special team specialists it is hard to see Dallas removing any position from the board.

As to our Wr corps.
It was a weakness last year. Miles was hurt and inconsistent. Ogletree was Ogletree. Harris and Beasley came on but only flashed.

People love to look at Romo and say it's all his fault with picks against Washington but recall those picks occurred with our star WRs injured. People love Beasley and I get some of that as he is both a little dude who plays hard but also a local kid... BUT he is very small. You dont pass draft values because you have Cole Beasley.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just think you've invested too much in Dwayne Harris and Danny Coale to invest another pick into a receiver higher than a 5th or 6th or 7th. Whoever this guy is we're talking about a potential 5th or 6th option in this offense. I guess it depends on how you feel about Miles Austin.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you draw up a "dream" draft scenario Dallas isn't taking a WR.

We need big dudes badly and it would be ideal to supplement that with a safety and a running back and a blocking TE.

All that said you can't be blind to talent.


for instance...
Mike Wallace was a pet cat of mine coming out. He was an avg sized(at 190 pounds or so in the SEC) player with blazing speed (4.2 at combine). He wasn't a pure WR at Ole Miss but piled up all-purpose yards.

Now if Dallas was to take that player is that a bad draft pick? Is need for a back up RB or developmental RT really that important?

Other than r1 or r2 QB and special team specialists it is hard to see Dallas removing any position from the board.

As to our Wr corps.
It was a weakness last year. Miles was hurt and inconsistent. Ogletree was Ogletree. Harris and Beasley came on but only flashed.

People love to look at Romo and say it's all his fault with picks against Washington but recall those picks occurred with our star WRs injured. People love Beasley and I get some of that as he is both a little dude who plays hard but also a local kid... BUT he is very small. You dont pass draft values because you have Cole Beasley.

True, I think the main thing is draft is a big unknown to begin with you better feel good about the talent of the player vs his position alone. Yes we need help on the OL what I think is a mistake is drafting a player based on his position alone. This is how you end up with poor drafts and still in need of filling the position. Go for the talent above all else then look at your needs.

If at our pick you have 2 or 3 players grading out about the same and one of them fills a need as well then take him but don't pass up better talent just to fill the position of need.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just think you've invested too much in Dwayne Harris and Danny Coale to invest another pick into a receiver higher than a 5th or 6th or 7th. Whoever this guy is we're talking about a potential 5th or 6th option in this offense. I guess it depends on how you feel about Miles Austin.

But the draft is not just about today, it is about 3 and 4 years down the line.

 

[Future]

Good...so let's not give up on all of the crap Olinemen we have drafted after the 1st round. I mean if we draft someone else we are impeding their progress.

Good grief.

First of all, I never said we shouldn't draft a WR, in fact, I said basically the opposite.

Secondly, we don't know what we have in Coale and Beasley. So if we draft a WR, one of the 3 is likely gone. We know that the guys on the OLine suck, and Leary will get a shot in camp. Comparing the two positions doesn't work here I don't think.

 

[jterrell]

I just think you've invested too much in Dwayne Harris and Danny Coale to invest another pick into a receiver higher than a 5th or 6th or 7th. Whoever this guy is we're talking about a potential 5th or 6th option in this offense. I guess it depends on how you feel about Miles Austin.

Harris is WR3 for all of the past 3 NFL games or so. He is a young guy who will get every shot to compete and help you as both a returner and WR.

Danny Coale is a seriously injured guy who may never play in the NFL.

Dallas needs WR depth. If they aren't drafting a guy they may well need to sign one off the street to come provide depth. They need a 4th WR at best and possibly a 3rd. Miles Austin makes a lot of money and may not be here long-term. He almost certainly can't be here when we pay Dez his WR1 money.

What Dallas can't afford to do is draft guys who can't play. We need to stockpile NFL talent and the positions sort themselves out. Miles Austin has been out of more training camps than he has been in. We can handle another WR. Especially a cheap one with some talent and upside. Not that it is a huge need.

 

[KDM256]

We need depth at the WR position is why the Cowboys should look into drafting a WR in this draft. To be honest, I believe we need to pick up a RB before we look at a WR but if a certain player(WR) with 1st/2nd round talent falls in our lap in rounds 3 or 4, I wouldn't be mad if Jerry Jones pulled the trigger..

I think Da'Rick Rodgers (UTenn) is a player i think if available inthe 3rd or 4th round, we should pick up. I know character issues are a concern here but if we can keep Dez on a straight & narrow, I believe we can also do the same with Da'Rick

 

[brymatt94]

I disagree with just about everything you said. If Dez or Miles goes down (likely) you will see just how thin they are at receiver. Same if Witten goes down at TE.

You're most likely right, but when it comes to experience, guys like Harris and Beasley are already more prepared than any rookie. I am not saying no way in the world should we draft a WR in the middle rounds, but I don't see it as a position that will lose a game for the Cowboys if a starter is hurt with the back-ups they have.

 

[Verdict]

Why not? If you can draft a true #1 receiver or a guy who can be your #1 by next year, it could sure free of a lot of cap space or make you very explosive offensively.

But if you are talking about just another player at receiver I tend to agree with your premise.

 

[Crown Royal]

Witten is tall enough but he is not a wide out kind of guy. His asset is working the seam.

Hannah is intriguing but even he is a guy that you want to match up on a safety or linebacker imo.

 

[Verdict]

Arguably, if you draft a guy who can be a #1 quality guy then Austin and his cap charge become expendable.

 

[JBell]

Yeah why draft a WR when you have studs like Coale, Beasley and Harris?


























Our WR's got exposed in Week 17 last year when Dez went down. People seem to forget that.

 

[DFWJC]

You're most likely right, but when it comes to experience, guys like Harris and Beasley are already more prepared than any rookie. I am not saying no way in the world should we draft a WR in the middle rounds, but I don't see it as a position that will lose a game for the Cowboys if a starter is hurt with the back-ups they have.

I kind of agree with both of you.
1) We are thin at outside WR
2) Unless we are talking an abolute elite WR (AJ Green, CJ, Julio, etc) you rarely see a rookie WR come in and have an impact year 1.

I'll be surprised if we don't draft a WR though.

 

[Risen Star]

I understand there's some value at wide receiver in the later rounds but I just don't see the need.

And I just don't care about the need. You draft talent.

 

[Risen Star]

I actually think WR is a position of relative need. But then, I don't see a ton of other areas that I do consider needs.

Yes, this is a roster dripping with talent. A tweak here or there and we'll be fine.

 

[Idgit]

Yes, this is a roster dripping with talent. A tweak here or there and we'll be fine.

I didn't say it was dripping. I said we don't have *that* many holes relative to other rosters.

We need OL, DL, RB2, S and WR3 and could use a TE3. And a couple of those positions can be addressed in CFA after the draft. It's a roster in a lot better shape than people want to pretend. It's pretty hard to find your QB, your pressure guys, your WR1, your CB1 & CB2, and your LT.

Again, injuries and turnovers is why we lost last season, and not everything relating to the turnovers as to do with player personnel. You look at the turnover numbers, and at how the correlate to wins and losses in this league, and tell me how we got to 8-8 without some talent on the roster.

Of course, this isn't consistent with believing Jerry Jones is the devil and Stephen Jones is the son of the devil and will be rejected on that basis alone. It does, however, have the luxury of being true, whether or not you wish to believe it.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Receiver and QB should be brought in every year, RB too I think. Even if some of them are through the UDFA. These are the 3 positions where I see the most elite players coming out of nowhere.

Alfred Morris as a RB for the Commanders, Miles Austin and Tony Romo both for us.

 

[Kristen82]

I understand there's some value at wide receiver in the later rounds but I just don't see the need. Yes Miles Austin can be fragile, but I think guys like Harris and Beasley showed enough to earn that trust needed to come in and produce. I also believe Coale can develop into a nice player. So in my opinion I don't see the need in drafting a receiver until about the 6th round. Basing it entirely on need, the cowboys should get a player other than a receiver in the mid rounds. So I ask, why should we consider this position in the aforementioned mid rounds?

Think Danario Alexander is still wandering around out there looking for a home.

 

[jterrell]

You're most likely right, but when it comes to experience, guys like Harris and Beasley are already more prepared than any rookie. I am not saying no way in the world should we draft a WR in the middle rounds, but I don't see it as a position that will lose a game for the Cowboys if a starter is hurt with the back-ups they have.

We looked pretty pathetic last year week 17 in Washington with Beasley and Harris as the wide outs.

Beasley looks about 160 pounds. Every time he gets hit, even if it is a shove on the sideline he flies 10 yards. The guy basically can't run back to back plays.

Harris is coming on and proving himself but we truly have 3 NFL WRs on this roster. Beasley is a nice little 5th or 6th WR but he isn't an every down guy, blocker, nor a special teamer. He is actually a long shot to make the roster imho.

If you are talking about about a falling WR like Terrence Williams or Ryan Swope or Quinton Patton those guys have NFL measurables across the board and can play the position.

Because this is such a deep draft with big guys some of the smaller ones will fall. I don't know if I have a WR in any mocks but this team can use a guy if they get him for good value.

Miles has a 5.5m base next year. If they cut him next June 2nd he costs us about 3.9m to release so we save 1.6m. It saves another 3m off the 2015 cap. And 12m off the 2016 cap. While that's not much fun we can't pay him 7m a year for what he did last year. But he is too talented to give up without a replacement. If you can grab that guy in r3-5 you have to jump provided he is the BPA.

 

[FLcowboy]

Some people like to draft a developmental QB every now and then. I prefer drafting WRs. It's never a question if you need one or not. It's an expensive position and the NFL is a passing league.

Get one this year, let Austin walk next year.

The Cowboys under Jones have a poor record of developing WRs, until they hired Jimmy Robinson from Green Bay. Now Robinson has stepped down, and will assume a consultants role. Coale, Beasley, Harris, and Ogletree aren't as good as Laurant Robinson, a FA the Cowboys didn't develop.

The Cowboys need to add skill position players, WR being one of them.