Even 'Skins are hopeful in pre-season...

[silverbear]

Your right. The guy was graded by KC Joyner has one of the best tackles in the league for no reason.

And Joyner is known around the league as such a football guru that he's being sought after by numerous teams to help out their personnel departments... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

Short sighted aren't we? Remmember two seasons ago when Flozell went down? Where was the Cowboy depth back then? Your entire offense took a complete nosedive after Adams injury.

Given that we didn't have the depth then that we do now, that argument only serves to prove my point...

There are certain players you can't replace despite the depth you have. LT is probably the hardest one.

If, God forbid, Adams were to suffer a season-ending injury, Pat McQuistan would step in and do a good, solid job for the Boys... indeed, the only position on the current offensive line that doesn't have a backup that I'd be confident in if they were pressed into starting duty is at center...

 

[silverbear]

One thing I always see Cowboy fans cry about:

DeAngelo Hall: 3 Pro Bowls

Terrence Newman: 0 Pro Bowls despite being in the league for a longer period of time.

Damn look at ZERO Pro Bowls. Newman must suck

Naw, that's just what happens to ya when you're so good that teams are afraid to throw you way... you don't get the ints, you don't make the Pro Bowl...

You just need to learn how to look at things in the right way...

 

[silverbear]

Averages are fun, but no a true indicator of play.

Actually, there's no better indicator of play than averages...

At this point in there career, Samuels is A FAR better player than Flozell Adams.

And yet, they both made the Pro Bowl last year... in addition, Adams has made the Pro Bowl in 3 of the last 4 seasons (2003, 2004 and 2006), only missing it when he was hurt in 2005, while Samuels has made the Pro Bowl twice in that time (2005 and 2006)...

But agian, use your own "averages" and cherry pick the stats that make Flozell look decent. Hes been mediocre every since 2002.

Yeah, he's only been a perennial Pro Bowler these last 4 years, only missing making that team once in those 4 years, that being the year he missed the last 10 games to injury...

It really is sad, your desperate need to try to prop up Chris Samuels by trashing Flozell Adams... sad, and quite stupid...

 

[silverbear]

Averages are fun, but no a true indicator of play. At this point in there career, Samuels is A FAR better player than Flozell Adams. The stats clearly reflect it for the past several years.

Not the stats you shared with us... they actually show two very comparable players... Adams is bigger and stronger than Samuels, Chris is a good deal more mobile than Flo is... Samuels would not be a good fit in the Cowboys' system, Adams would not be a good fit in the Skins'...

 

[silverbear]

Clinton Portis also had nearly double the amount of carries than Julius Jones which is why this stat is skewed.

You really don't understand the concept of "averages", do you??

 

[silverbear]

Anyways, I'm out for tonight. I'll be back sometime next week again. Take care till then. Don't lose any sleep over the fact that Chris Samuels >>>> Flozell Adams.

BS from Skins trolls has never caused me to lose any sleep...

 

[silverbear]

You are one of the most annoying message board debaters i have ever come across. Id be suprised if your liked on your own board.

Being bludgeoned by the truth annoys you, does it?? I understand, if you hang out much at extremeskins, you're not used to folks being allowed to express anything other than the party line, but you'd best get used to having to deal with REALITY if you wish to participate in our dialogue...

We don't drink the burgundy kool-aid in here, and we never will... we're quite capable of looking at your team with an unbiased eye, which it seems is more than you're capable of doing...

 

[silverbear]

Sorry if you cannot handle the facts ..... but when you Commander boys come over here trying to warp stats to make your guys look better .... you will get slapped down over it.

If you do not like it ..... run back to Art.

Yeah, go tell that wuss to bring his debating style over here, where he can't "win" just by banning those who are punking him...

 

[silverbear]

zrin, let's give them LT, although Flo is a better run-blocker, and not that much worse in pass-protection, God knows they don't have much else to crow about

Never give the godless heathens anything other than the back of your hand...

 

[silverbear]

We have been saying the whole time how they are almost identicle ..... but the silly skin fans want to keep saying how Samuels is head and shoulders better.

Which of course anyone can see is bullcrap.

You just don't understand Skins Logic... lemme see if I can help here...

Skins Logic says that any player who plays for them is the best player who ever played that position... right up to the time they go play for somebody else, at which point they become stiffs who never could play the game, and are no big loss, really...

I call it the Adam Archuleta syndrome...

 

[silverbear]

By KC Joyner, ESPN.com

KC Joyner is a fantasy geek who has never been employed by any NFL team... it's comical, that you hold him up as some sort of definitive expert on the game, when he probably couldn't figure out how to put on a jock strap...

I have read some of his chat wraps, and laughed at his take on the Cowboys... among other things, he's tried to tell us that Kyle Kosier was one of the Cowboys' very best blockers last year (according to his "metrics"), when any Cowboys fan who watched their games last year considers him the weak link in the line this year...

 

[silverbear]

You really think Adams is a better run blocker then Samuels?

Yup... and the numbers, as provided by Bob Sacamano, prove it...

 

[silverbear]

backs seem to do better running to his side, no matter the man lining up next to him at LG

And our backs are not as good as the Skins' backs are...

 

[silverbear]

...thank you for furthering my point.

The flaws in his metrics have been exposed...yet every time they come up...there's some silly skins fan trying to regurgitate the same crap.

I know how good Newman is without having to use Joyner's metrics.

I have never used Joyner's metrics in any argument, and I never will... I don't believe in his approach to analyzing the game...

I laugh at baseball fans who tout their "sabremetrics", too...

 

[silverbear]

I agreed to that along time ago ..... he is just not much better.

As far as I'm concerned, it's six of one, a half dozen of the other... there really isn't enough difference between the two of them talent-wise to merit a debate...

If you want a mauler out at LT, then Adams ought to be your preference, but if you want a technician, go with Samuels... two different players, two very different ways of getting the job done, but both have been quite effective...

 

[silverbear]

Ill agree with that.

Positions I feel we are better at then you:

4.) C

Casey Rabach can't carry Andre Gurode's jockstrap... I've already covered my opinions re: the left tackle situation, no need to rehash that...

However, that said, I feel we have a better FS and i honestly think Landry could be better than Roy Williams THIS YEAR. Bold prediction I know

More like silly homerism...

 

[silverbear]

I also feel we may have a slight edge at TE just because Cooley is defintely a better blocker than Witten and a comparable reciever.

Close, but no cigar... first off, while I give Cooley the edge as a blocker, it's only a small edge (Witten's blocking is rather underrated)... and Witten is the superior receiver:

Cooley, the last 3 seasons: 165 receptions, 1822 yards...

Witten, the last 3 seasons: 217 receptions, 2491 yards...

This despite the Cowboys having a wider array of weapons in the passing game than the Skins have had during that time, IOW more players getting their share of the catches than the Skins have had...

Now, I'm not saying Cooley isn't a good weapon in the passing game, he is... but he's not on the level of Witten as a receiver, not yet anyway...

But the real tipping point at TE, IMO, lies in the Cowboys' superior depth... Anthony Fasano is better than any TE not named Cooley on the Skins' roster, and he has raised the level of his play this preseason, compared to last season... combine this with the renewed emphasis on the TE that we've seen in Jason Garrett's offensive schemes this preseason, and I feel confident that our TEs are gonna have their best season in quite a while...

 

[silverbear]

2006 stats

Cooley: 57 receptions, 734 yards, 6 touchdowns
Witten: 64 receptions, 754 yards, 1 touchdown

2005 stats

Cooley: 71 receptions, 774 yards, 7 touchdowns
Witten: 66 receptions, 757 yards, 6 touchdowns

Last two years

Cooley: 128 receptions, 1508 yards, 13 touchdowns
Witten: 130 receptions, 1511, yards, 7 touchdowns

Not much difference huh? The only big advantage is Cooleys 6 more touchdowns.

LOL... way to play fast and loose with the stats... how 'bout you compare the last THREE seasons?? I mean, I completely understand why you left out the 04 stats, Cooley had 37 catches for 314 yards, Witten had 50 more catches and over three times as many yards (87 for 980)... both played in all 16 games that year, so why did you leave those numbers out??

As for the 6 more TDs, that's easy to explain-- the Cowboys have more weapons to go to down in the red zone than the Skins do... first, they had Keyshawn Johnson and his fade routes, then they had TO and his size...

Barber had 16 TDs last season, all of them in the red zone; TO had 13 TDs, many of them in the red zone... meanwhile, Cooley's 6 TDs led the Skins...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

More like silly homerism...

Homerism? Surely you jest! You only need to ask so-and-so Cowboy fan or visit the Skins' board and search under the so-and-so handle. Then, you'll see quite plainly that skinsfunguy exudes objectivity. It's his hallmark.

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Sorry. I figured I would post this canned response before he got the chance. If I had to read that line again, I think I would scream.
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