Everyone that wants JJ to hire a "real GM"...

[zrinkill]

I want to add a "real GM" because Jerry's way has not worked. It has not come close to working.

It has given us 3 Superbowls in 18 years ..... how many teams can say that?

 

[Doomsday101]

It has given us 3 Superbowls in 18 years ..... how many teams can say that?

Jerry's critics will never give him credit for that

 

[Tex]

I want to add a "real GM" because Jerry's way has not worked. It has not come close to working. A "real GM" may not guarantee success, but at least it will be trying something different. And I think Jerry is the best owner in sports.

buy if the coah gets strong input as you suggest... And Jerry is still pulling the strings vy telling his GN to get TO and TANK etc,,,

What is it that you think this GM is going to do exactly that will change things. I mean Jerry has final veto on the draft but thats mostly Ireland now. That wouldn't change either, So the GM would negotiate trades that Jerry suggests I guess?

I think Jerry can handle it. And if something goes wrong we all know where to point the finger... How many really great GM's are there in the league? Maybe 4?

Tex

 

[Doomsday101]

buy if the coah gets strong input as you suggest... And Jerry is still pulling the strings vy telling his GN to get TO and TANK etc,,,

What is it that you think this GM is going to do exactly that will change things. I mean Jerry has final veto on the draft but thats mostly Ireland now. That wouldn't change either, So the GM would negotiate trades that Jerry suggests I guess?

I think Jerry can handle it. And if something goes wrong we all know where to point the finger... How many really great GM's are there in the league? Maybe 4?

Tex

I will say all GM's listen to their scouts that is why they hire scouts. I think some feel like other GM are out there personally scouting players and calling the shots with no input and that is just not the case. When Tex was the GM of the Cowboys he never did it alone he Gil Brandt and Tom Landry were involved in the process. What I'm starting to see out of Jerry is the same listening to guys like Ireland and yes I think he gets input from Wade Phillips as well in the end it is Jerry call to make and he is the one who is going to take the heat from the fans and media when thing do not go as planned but I would hope if this team has success that those critics will give Jerry his dues.

 

[joseephuss]

It has given us 3 Superbowls in 18 years ..... how many teams can say that?

So I am not allowed to be disappointed that Dallas has not won a SB since 1995? Actually, I am fine with not winning another SB since then. That is a difficult task, but I would expect a good GM to at least field competitive teams . The team just has not been that good since winning 3 in 4 years. Multiple years of not being competitive says a lot about Jerry as GM. And worth being disappointed about.

I give him credit for being a part of winning past Superbowls. Without Jerry, Jimmy Johnson would not have had success. Like I said, I think he is a great owner. I know that he won't hire a real GM and that is what we as fans have to deal with.

 

[joseephuss]

I will say all GM's listen to their scouts that is why they hire scouts. I think some feel like other GM are out there personally scouting players and calling the shots with no input and that is just not the case. When Tex was the GM of the Cowboys he never did it alone he Gil Brandt and Tom Landry were involved in the process. What I'm starting to see out of Jerry is the same listening to guys like Ireland and yes I think he gets input from Wade Phillips as well in the end it is Jerry call to make and he is the one who is going to take the heat from the fans and media when thing do not go as planned but I would hope if this team has success that those critics will give Jerry his dues.

I will give him his due, but how long should one have to wait. I am not talking about him having to win another SB for him to get credit, but it is not a lot to ask him to field a team that wins at least one playoff game since 1996. Or a team that does not have three straight 5-11 seasons or five seasons of 6-10 or less since 1997. This is not the Cardinals. And I do like the direction that he has the team going right now. I hope it results in a playoff win or two and several years of playoff appearances and wins.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I think it's fair to blame Jerry for the mismanagement of the cap and the signing and/or drafting of some questionable players, which led to some very mediocre years in Dallas.

But how long do you hold onto the anger? So many people say, the last 10 years this or the last 10 years that. What about the five past years? We've had some disappointing losses, but he and BP fielded a somewhat competitive team while trying to build the roster. There are still a few holes, but overall I'm very pleased with the direction of the team, which is still under the guidance of Jerry Jones.

I'd really hate if people kept holding something that happened 10 years ago against me, when I've shown that I've changed. This roster is 100% improved over the final 2002 roster and they have a legit chance to make some good things happen this year.

When I look at the sum total of success during Jerry's tenure, there's been a lot more good than bad.

 

[Doomsday101]

I will give him his due, but how long should one have to wait. I am not talking about him having to win another SB for him to get credit, but it is not a lot to ask him to field a team that wins at least one playoff game since 1996. Or a team that does not have three straight 5-11 seasons or five seasons of 6-10 or less since 1997. This is not the Cardinals. And I do like the direction that he has the team going right now. I hope it results in a playoff win or two and several years of playoff appearances and wins.

I agree mistakes have been made and because of those mistakes Jerry has changed how things are done and he has talked about this in recent years. Jerry himself has said mistakes have been made and this team has paid for those mistake he has not pushed it off on other he stood up and took the heat. There is nothing that can be done to change the past Jerry can only do thing to help the future of this club and I think he is.

 

[zrinkill]

So I am not allowed to be disappointed that Dallas has not won a SB since 1995? Actually, I am fine with not winning another SB since then. That is a difficult task, but I would expect a good GM to at least field competitive teams . The team just has not been that good since winning 3 in 4 years. Multiple years of not being competitive says a lot about Jerry as GM. And worth being disappointed about. .

Teams tend to fall apart for many years after a Dynasty ...... look through NFL History.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Mr. Jones is the best....what ever he decides, then I am fine with that.

 

[joseephuss]

I think it's fair to blame Jerry for the mismanagement of the cap and the signing and/or drafting of some questionable players, which led to some very mediocre years in Dallas.

But how long do you hold onto the anger? So many people say, the last 10 years this or the last 10 years that. What about the five past years? We've had some disappointing losses, but he and BP fielded a somewhat competitive team while trying to build the roster. There are still a few holes, but overall I'm very pleased with the direction of the team, which is still under the guidance of Jerry Jones.

I'd really hate if people kept holding something that happened 10 years ago against me, when I've shown that I've changed. This roster is 100% improved over the final 2002 roster and they have a legit chance to make some good things happen this year.

When I look at the sum total of success during Jerry's tenure, there's been a lot more good than bad.

I feel no anger towards Jerry Jones. It is the fact that I like him so much as the owner that I am not mad at him for his GM decisions. Just disappointed and because of that I don't fully trust him even though I too am glad the team is back in the right direction. It will take a playoff victory to get the full trust back.

I agree with you on the sum total success during Jerry's tenure. It is why I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. Being a part of 3 SB winning teams in his first 7 years as owner is quite an achievement. And his pushing the NFL into the best sports league is another big reason. The league was growing without him, but his presence has accelerated that growth.

 

[joseephuss]

Teams tend to fall apart for many years after a Dynasty ...... look through NFL History.

I know this. Still 11 years from the last playoff victory is a long time especially in this day and age where basement dwellers can suddenly rise into SB winners in no time. It took 9 years between Landry's last playoff victory in 1982 and Johnson's first playoff victory in 1991. I was disappointed then, but even more so in recent years due to the constant turnover in coaches and QBs. I don't feel guilty for wanting my team to be better and holding the guy in charge responsible for a good portion as to why they are not. I hope he gets back to winning playoff games and maybe just maybe gets to hoist another Lombardi trophy over his head. I will cheer him loudly.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I feel no anger towards Jerry Jones. It is the fact that I like him so much as the owner that I am not mad at him for his GM decisions. Just disappointed and because of that I don't fully trust him even though I too am glad the team is back in the right direction. It will take a playoff victory to get the full trust back.

Well at least you have a defined position on what it would take to regain your trust. It always seems that some people won't ever let Jerry get past the down years.

Believe it or not, I look to his last pre-Bill draft as the turning point. Even if the players didn't all pan out, you can still make an argument for each player selected. There was logic used for each pick, no real reaches, and basically a good process in place. You can't hit on all your picks, but that was my first clue which led to me being a bit more positive about things.

I agree with you on the sum total success during Jerry's tenure. It is why I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. Being a part of 3 SB winning teams in his first 7 years as owner is quite an achievement. And his pushing the NFL into the best sports league is another big reason. The league was growing without him, but his presence has accelerated that growth.

I've never actually thought of him being in the HOF, but a pretty good argument can be made for him.

 

[zrinkill]

I know this. Still 11 years from the last playoff victory is a long time especially in this day and age where basement dwellers can suddenly rise into SB winners in no time. It took 9 years between Landry's last playoff victory in 1982 and Johnson's first playoff victory in 1991. I was disappointed then, but even more so in recent years due to the constant turnover in coaches and QBs. I don't feel guilty for wanting my team to be better and holding the guy in charge responsible for a good portion as to why they are not. I hope he gets back to winning playoff games and maybe just maybe gets to hoist another Lombardi trophy over his head. I will cheer him loudly.

Playoff victories without winning the Superbowl means nothing except you have worse draft picks.

It took 30 years for the Steelers to get back on Top (for one year)
The Niners have not got back since 94 (13 years ago)
Greenbay has got got back since 96 (11 years ago)
It took the Cowboys 15 years to Win another Superbowl after Landry's last one.

People just expect crap to fast in this day and age ..... it takes time to build a team back up after a long Superbowl run ......

And it has only been since January 1996 since we last won one .... thats 11 years 7 1/2 months ......

Its just about the right time to rise again.

 

[joseephuss]

Well at least you have a defined position on what it would take to regain your trust. It always seems that some people won't ever let Jerry get past the down years.

Believe it or not, I look to his last pre-Bill draft as the turning point. Even if the players didn't all pan out, you can still make an argument for each player selected. There was logic used for each pick, no real reaches, and basically a good process in place. You can't hit on all your picks, but that was my first clue which led to me being a bit more positive about things.

I've never actually thought of him being in the HOF, but a pretty good argument can be made for him.

Actually I thought that 2002 draft was still a question mark for me.

He made a good move in getting Roy Williams. Roy was the obvious choice and he added to that by trading down and still getting him.

Gurode was a solid early 2nd round pick. He was the type of guy that even if he didn't become a pro-bowler still had the capability to be on a team for a long time as decent starter and back up. He is living up to that if not more.

It was the next two picks that were troublesome. The Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant were reaches. Talented, but troubled guys. Maybe you can reach for one, but not both. I don't mind taking chances on players, but you should maybe only do it once in every draft. Not twice and not back to back. The draft is difficult enough as it is to be taking more than one reach per draft.

 

[Mash]

Just be gratefull we won 3 SB's with Jerry as Gm.......

So many so called Genius GM's out there are still searching for one..two...or three.

Jerry issue was too much loyalty.....cap hell that was created by keeping aging players and bad luck that once those contracts were handed out....back injuries...etc happened.

Sure Jerry had some poor drafts......they all do?

Look...even with the influence of Big Bill and a new scouting staff....we might miss on Carp...Spears...and other 1st day picks......its a crapshoot.

The Thing you got to love about Jerry.....winning is his passion....he does care about the fans....and isnt afraid to spend money to do so......and he also isnt stubborn and will adapt when he realizes his way isnt working.

 

[theogt]

Actually I thought that 2002 draft was still a question mark for me.

He made a good move in getting Roy Williams. Roy was the obvious choice and he added to that by trading down and still getting him.

Gurode was a solid early 2nd round pick. He was the type of guy that even if he didn't become a pro-bowler still had the capability to be on a team for a long time as decent starter and back up. He is living up to that if not more.

It was the next two picks that were troublesome. The Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant were reaches. Talented, but troubled guys. Maybe you can reach for one, but not both. I don't mind taking chances on players, but you should maybe only do it once in every draft. Not twice and not back to back. The draft is difficult enough as it is to be taking more than one reach per draft.

Which makes it quite the feat to draft two pro bowlers in a single draft.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

...need to realize that bringing in the TOs and Tanks would never happen in that case. GMs whose jobs are on the line are much less likely to take risks like these. JJ has no fear of losing his job as the GM so he willing to go out on the limb and take the risk. I, for one, am happy about this. I also like that JJ has seemed to go about these situations extremely smart and carefully. It seems the team always has an easy out if things go bad. I know he has made many mistakes in the past as GM but they seem to be getting less and less frequent since Jeff Ireland arrived. I dread the day that guy leaves for a GM job somewhere else.

My all-time favorite "risk" that Jethro: pulled was the Quinthy pick , that was priceLESS in more ways than one! Yes Jethro's: been the GM that all GM's aspire to be! I wish he did have to worry about losing his job, maybe just maybe that'd make him a better GM but I doubt it.

 

[Mash]

Jerry made alot worse picks then Quincy Carter......even the Genius Bill Parcells picked duds in the second rd......who btw...never even saw the playing field

 

[JimRome]

Well at least you have a defined position on what it would take to regain your trust. It always seems that some people won't ever let Jerry get past the down years.

Believe it or not, I look to his last pre-Bill draft as the turning point. Even if the players didn't all pan out, you can still make an argument for each player selected. There was logic used for each pick, no real reaches, and basically a good process in place. You can't hit on all your picks, but that was my first clue which led to me being a bit more positive about things.

I've never actually thought of him being in the HOF, but a pretty good argument can be made for him.

Incredible. You're arguning FOR Jerry Jones as GM. Laughable. Vinny Cerrato and Matt Millen think Jerry Jones needs to hire a real GM.