iceberg said:
no - the problem is when *we* (the less than happy) voice our opinion, we're reduced to "you don't know what they know!!!!" crap by fans who can't arugue for the pick on their own, so they have to claim ignorance as a wonderful thing and blindly follow the man waving the magic wand.
look people - this is a message board. of which people will agree, disagree, and argue from time time as well. we're *ALL* fans (with the rare exception of a few gifted posters) and as such gather here to talk about the good and the bad. where we agree and the long theads are usually where we don't.
this isn't some 'happyland' where we all sing kumbaya and blindly praise the management for knowing so much of what they're doing. this is the real world where football has a lot of attention and people with passionate ideas about how it should be played.
THAT is the fun of being a "lowly fan".
if your best answer is "trust in bill" fine, you do that. YOU do that. those of us who don't trust and want to discuss what's up and so forth will.
you wanna wear your 'boys underoos and blindly support "the management" you do that. but it gets real old for you and others to expect all fans to do the same. even older for the "blind homers" to call those who do disagree rather vocally 'stupid fans'.
as for "those who do this for a living" - great. but that doesn't make them infallible of we'd have a 32-way tie for the superbowl, wouldn't we? some are better than others, and some just suck. we've had some bad ones too and only time will tell if this is more bad, or really the way back up.
let's let time call people fools, ok? not each other.
Everything you say makes so much sense until you shine the light of truth on it.
Two years ago our draft was heralded as one of the top drafts because we traded down and received a second and a fifth to take our first the next year.
We took..
Julius Jones - a player who may be on his last chance with this club. Reports are that we were in hot discussions with the Jets to trade Julius if all the linebackers were gone and we could only get a running back.
Jacob Rogers - flat out bust.
Stephen Peterman - when our line sucked last year, this player could not get on the field.
Bruce Thornton - not on the team
Sean Ryan - back up and special teamer
Nathan Jones - back up and special teamer
Patrick Crayton - slot receiver..maybe the best player taken
Jacques Reeves - back up and special teamer
The press gave us an A-. Boards were rejoicing as if we hit the lottery.
How does that draft look now?
Or the Roy Williams draft where we took 9 players and only two remain.
While this underscores your point. It also makes a quite clear point that you cannot judge a draft, or give it any kind of accurate ranking - BEFORE THE DRAFT IS EVEN OVER!
Because both those drafts received an A from the fans and press alike.
So while I read the comments about players and wonder if they can live up to the potential. Or ask if we paid too much.
I cannot agree with someone who is totally negative and raining on everyone's parade just because you don't recognize the name of the third round pick.
And looking at posts here and on other boards, I see guys like Eddie who highjack those threads and litter them with put downs about the players, coaches, management and other posters because their player wasn't chosen.
I have no clue. But I am not going to waste my time typing tons of negative rebuttal when I don't know.
Just like you don't know, ice.
You only surmize, just like the rest of us.
And in Joe Fan parlance, that means you put your pants on one leg at a time.
Just like the rest of us, my friend.
