Expectations have turned into a train wreck

[Beast_from_East]

Of course injuries are part of the game. They're the part that can make a good team into a bad one. It's naive to think you're coaching staff is just going to "coach 'em up" and win anyway at a certain point. Not that we haven't been in all of the games but one.

Either way, I'm still content to see how the season plays out, so I'm not excusing anything. I'm just giving the reasonable perspective.

I'm going to ignore the comment about giving the coaching a pass for everything because we both know as much as I explicitly cite what I consider to be coaching limitations and responsibilities, it's going to get ignored by everyone who wants to think coaching is the issue no matter the obvious evidence to the contrary.

Teams do win games with backups, you do realize this don't you?

Just because you lose starters doesn't give the coaching staff a pass to just throw up their hands and say "we cant coach up these scrubs", especially when the coaching staff had input and help in deciding who those backups are going to be. Unless you are willing to concede that Garrett has no say in personnel and it is all Jerry and McClay, then I will take back my comments about Garrett being held responsible. I realize holding a head coach responsible for the performance of his team is a crazy idea around these parts, even though it happens in almost every professional sports league in existence. Wisenhunt just got fired after just 1 complete season and that was having crap at QB last year and Marriotta getting hurt this year. Didn't see old Wisenhunt get a pass for injuries. And we only have 1 more win than the Titans..........LOL

The reasonable perspective is also to expect a team to be able to win one dam game with their backup QB...........to say they have no chance is just you making excuses for the staff that totally botched the position. Even the worst teams in the league trotting out CFL level talent usually don't lose 5 games in a row, just saying.

 

[RunDMC]

Last year after week 1 Keyshawn called us the worse team in the league. I miss that. This team plays better as the underdog.

Lol they've been underdogs the last five weeks. Hasn't helped them one bit.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Teams do win games with backups, you do realize this don't you?

Just because you lose starters doesn't give the coaching staff a pass to just throw up their hands and say "we cant coach up these scrubs", especially when the coaching staff had input and help in deciding who those backups are going to be. Unless you are willing to concede that Garrett has no say in personnel and it is all Jerry and McClay, then I will take back my comments about Garrett being held responsible. I realize holding a head coach responsible for the performance of his team is a crazy idea around these parts, even though it happens in almost every professional sports league in existence. Wisenhunt just got fired after just 1 complete season and that was having crap at QB last year and Marriotta getting hurt this year. Didn't see old Wisenhunt get a pass for injuries. And we only have 1 more win than the Titans..........LOL

The reasonable perspective is also to expect a team to be able to win one dam game with their backup QB...........to say they have no chance is just you making excuses for the staff that totally botched the position. Even the worst teams in the league trotting out CFL level talent usually don't lose 5 games in a row, just saying.

We are on the way to our longest losing streak since 1989. Unbelievable.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Lol they've been underdogs the last five weeks. Hasn't helped them one bit.

Not going into the season. The Cowboys were one of the favorites to win the SB. We're only underdogs because of the injuries. In 2010 we were SB favorites too. After the first few games and the players gave up on Wade, we weren't favored many more times that year either.

 

[Silver Surfer]

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[DandyDon1722]

This has been a long week.

Sure has.

I'm emotionally worn out. The toll that this season has taken on all of us is real. You can feel it in here, the frustration and impatience, knowing this season should've been a Super Bowl run and dealing with all the stuff off the field.

Every single fan, player and member of the organization needs a big does of hope right now.

But if we can win a couple and Tony gets back - it'll be all the sweeter.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We are on the way to our longest losing streak since 1989. Unbelievable.

What is funny is that the pro-Garrett club all made posts when Romo went down that there is no way we would not win a couple of games while Romo was gone.

It really is a pickle this pro-Garrett group finds themselves in. On one hand, they cant lay any blame on Garrett for the 5 game losing streak so the mantra is now that "nobody can coach up these scrubs" and that no coach in the league could win with our backups. Ergo, Garrett is not to blame for the 5 game losing streak.

The rub is that they have been proclaiming for years that Garrett is "building the team the right way" and that the 8-8 seasons was Garrett rebuilding the roster. The reason he did not have more success early on was because he had to purge the roster of the scrubs and get "the right kind of guys on the roster". Ok, I will buy this argument, but now there is a logical inconsistency that cannot be resolved.

If Garrett had to have multiple seasons of .500 ball to build the roster, then how in the hell can the roster be so bad that Garrett is absolved from losing games now? Where is all this depth that Garrett has spent the last 4 years acquiring to only be soo bad that we have no chance to win a game.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

What is funny is that the pro-Garrett club all made posts when Romo went down that there is no way we would not win a couple of games while Romo was gone.

It really is a pickle this pro-Garrett group finds themselves in. On one hand, they cant lay any blame on Garrett for the 5 game losing streak so the mantra is now that "nobody can coach up these scrubs" and that no coach in the league could win with our backups. Ergo, Garrett is not to blame for the 5 game losing streak.

The rub is that they have been proclaiming for years that Garrett is "building the team the right way" and that the 8-8 seasons was Garrett rebuilding the roster. The reason he did not have more success early on was because he had to purge the roster of the scrubs and get "the right kind of guys on the roster". Ok, I will buy this argument, but now there is a logical inconsistency that cannot be resolved.

If Garrett had to have multiple seasons of .500 ball to build the roster, then how in the hell can the roster be so bad that Garrett is absolved from losing games now? Where is all this depth that Garrett has spent the last 4 years acquiring to only be soo bad that we have no chance to win a game.

I've come to the conclusion that the roster isn't all that great. We have some good starters. A great QB, WR, a HOF TE and a great offensive line. We have a few good defensive players. But we have no depth and some of the backups are just awful. The backup QB position is a disgrace.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I've come to the conclusion that the roster isn't all that great. We have some good starters. A great QB, WR, a HOF TE and a great offensive line. We have a few good defensive players. But we have no depth and some of the backups are just awful. The backup QB position is a disgrace.

Agreed bro..................kinda makes you wonder what Garrett has been doing for the last 4 years.

Oh that's right, he has been working on perfecting his clap..............my bad.

 

[StarBoyz83]

You could tell this team had no depth during the pre-season.

I remember a ton of people saying on here this team is the deepest in a long time lol

 

[Beast_from_East]

I remember a ton of people saying on here this team is the deepest in a long time lol

The narrative had to change with a 5 game losing streak...............Garrett must be absolved of any and all responsibility.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I remember a ton of people saying on here this team is the deepest in a long time lol

I remember some telling me it doesn't matter because they won't all play together anyway. say again. lol

 

[Idgit]

Teams do win games with backups, you do realize this don't you?

Just because you lose starters doesn't give the coaching staff a pass to just throw up their hands and say "we cant coach up these scrubs", especially when the coaching staff had input and help in deciding who those backups are going to be. Unless you are willing to concede that Garrett has no say in personnel and it is all Jerry and McClay, then I will take back my comments about Garrett being held responsible. I realize holding a head coach responsible for the performance of his team is a crazy idea around these parts, even though it happens in almost every professional sports league in existence. Wisenhunt just got fired after just 1 complete season and that was having crap at QB last year and Marriotta getting hurt this year. Didn't see old Wisenhunt get a pass for injuries. And we only have 1 more win than the Titans..........LOL

The reasonable perspective is also to expect a team to be able to win one dam game with their backup QB...........to say they have no chance is just you making excuses for the staff that totally botched the position. Even the worst teams in the league trotting out CFL level talent usually don't lose 5 games in a row, just saying.

Of course everybody realizes teams win games with backups. That's obviously not the point. It all depends which backups they're missing, and which teams they're playing against. Teams don't usually lose their best players on both sides of the ball and just keep going.

And the coaches haven't given up. I have no idea what you guys are watching if you think the issue has been the coaching these last 5 weeks. They've plugged in player after player. They backed themselves up at the QB position with another 90 game starter as soon as Romo went down, and played him as soon as they could get him ready. They traded picks and future considerations at both RB and WR to backfill positions of need. They install conservative game plans to limit turnovers.

We've all seen the games. We don't have a quarterback who can play. Some of the games, we haven't had a DL out there that could manage lane control. We lose the field position battle because we can't block in the return game, and we give up key returns for touchdowns. And with all that, we've been in almost every game, taking one to overtime and losing several on the bounce of a ball or a single play. Understanding what's going on is what the reasonable perspective is. Just looking at a random 5 game stretch and concluding the team ought to have won one of them is a superficial 'examination' at best. Blaming coaches when you've seen the players on the field and ought to know exactly what the limitations have been makes no sense.

 

[Idgit]

I remember a ton of people saying on here this team is the deepest in a long time lol

It is, by far, the deepest team we've fielded since 2007, at least.

What good did that do us, though? We had two of our best defenders suspended during this stretch. We lost our best cover corner before the season started. We lost our best remaining defender to a concussion during the one overtime game we managed. On offense, we lost our best weapon in week one. We lost one of the very best QBs in the league the next week. We lost the team's leading receiver/punt returner and biggest remaining play maker the week after that. And for whatever bad reasons, it took our supposedly dominating offensive line 5 games and until the bye week to start run blocking the way they're capable of playing.

Depth is one thing. You still only get 53 players. You start 22. Lose 5-6 of the best of those 22, including a great player at the most important position on the team, and it doesn't matter.

What I don't get is how anybody can look at it and conclude 'yeah, the problem is clearly with the coaching.' The three best play makers we have on offense are down and out and the offense stagnates. Why do you think that is, everybody? Clearly, Jason Garrett has neglected to coach them up enough.

 

[Idgit]

...It really is a pickle this pro-Garrett group finds themselves in. On one hand, they cant lay any blame on Garrett for the 5 game losing streak so the mantra is now that "nobody can coach up these scrubs" and that no coach in the league could win with our backups. Ergo, Garrett is not to blame for the 5 game losing streak

It's not a pickle at all. You keep saying nobody's is willing to lay any blame on the coaching staff at all, and that's just not the case. There are things to blame the coaches for during this stretch. There are *always* things to blame the coaches for. The single biggest criticism I have of the coaching is how they've handled the personnel decisions on the ST coverage and return teams as those have been bad, stayed bad, and contributed to several losses. And we've had players on the roster we've could have used on Teams, or roster slots we could have freed up to add a better ST player or two, and we've chosen not to do it.

But that pales next to the injury limitations we've been dealing with, of course. There's a difference between something being your responsibility and something being your fault. That's an important distinction to make.

 

[cowboyuptx]

The Dallas Cowboys — a team expected to be Super Bowl contenders — have turned into a trainwreck

The Dallas Cowboys' season is a trainwreck — a slow crash where each car continues to smash into the next in a flaming pile-up.

After a surprising 12-4 season in 2014 that saw the Cowboys come a catch away from the NFC Championship game, many people thought the Cowboys could turn the corner this year and contend for the Super Bowl.

Though they lost running back DeMarco Murray, they re-signed Dez Bryant, had a healthy Tony Romo coming off one of his best seasons, a solid offensive line, and a stout defense.

Instead, on-field and off-field issues have flipped their season upside down.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dallas-cowboys-team-expected-super-213209030.html

Well, if the writer at "Yahoo Finance" says it, then it must be the football gospel...

Here's an excerpt from the article... Tell me if you sense an anti-Cowboys bias...

"The Cowboys shouldn't be allowed to make the playoffs after all of this. Being injury ravaged, playing poorly, and handling PR poorly shouldn't be rewarded with a postseason berth because the rest of the division plays poorly, too. Give the Rams or the Raiders their spot."

 

[Idgit]

Well, if the writer at "Yahoo Finance" says it, then it must be the football gospel...

Here's an excerpt from the article... Tell me if you sense an anti-Cowboys bias...

"The Cowboys shouldn't be allowed to make the playoffs after all of this. Being injury ravaged, playing poorly, and handling PR poorly shouldn't be rewarded with a postseason berth because the rest of the division plays poorly, too. Give the Rams or the Raiders their spot."

They actually suggested we give our spot to the AFC-West Raiders? Sheesh, that's embarrassing.

 

[Alexander]

Lol they've been underdogs the last five weeks. Hasn't helped them one bit.

That is because nobody from the coach to the players have come to that logical point that this is what it is and our backs are against the wall. They are waiting for the next life preserver.

First it was waiting for Hardy/McClain.

Then Bryant.

Now Romo.

 

[fifaguy]

That is because nobody from the coach to the players have come to that logical point that this is what it is and our backs are against the wall. They are waiting for the next life preserver.

First it was waiting for Hardy/McClain.

Then Bryant.

Now Romo.

Indeed. The 'waiting for...' philosophy is akin to saying "we're not expecting to win until...' I don't see the better teams in this league ever falling into that mindset...

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Garrett had to have multiple seasons of .500 ball to build the roster, then how in the hell can the roster be so bad that Garrett is absolved from losing games now? Where is all this depth that Garrett has spent the last 4 years acquiring to only be soo bad that we have no chance to win a game.

Here is a hint:

Look at the QB position. That drives everything in this league.