Extension For Mike?

Dallasfann

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A month ago I would of said McCarthy will lose his job to Dan Quinn eventually, however right now at this very moment I can't say that for sure. In only 2 games what's really impressed me with Mike is he has shown that he understands how to win games with his defense. If our running game was averaging 3 yards a carry it would of been a save the day Dak kind of game with Moore. It was nice to see. The past few seasons most Cowboy fans realized this team is a defensive football team...McCarthy knows it also, you can see it by the way he calls the offense. He is calling the offense as if our best unit isn't on the field. Something Kellen NEVER even thought of.

Listen, I understand against good teams FG's aren't what you want, but last post season against a good team, we would of loved a few extra FG's instead of INT's in our own territory. We have a nice storm brewing right now on both offense and defense. A competent offense and the best defense in football.
 

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Quinn is a massive part of the success in Dallas. He certainly appears happy in Big D and he and MM are a great team… but you have to wonder if he is looking to captain his own ship again?

Is MM more important than Quinn? It is tough because MM deserves a TON of credit, but the impact of losing Quinn will potentially set this team back quite a bit.

I would love to see them promote DQ to Asst HC/DC and give both guys an extension and similar pay and contract lengths and try and keep them both in their sweet spot for as long as possible.

Unrealistic as likely DQ leaves in the offseason— but I can dream lol
We have possibly best player in the game, right now. Dont think DQ, would leave a great situation.

Especially , if you can add couple championships to yer belt. Seems really happy and content here.

Furthermore, I think MM lets DQ do, as he pleases. Full faith in the guy.
 

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The team has looked impressive, but it has only been 2 games so far, so it is way to early to be thinking about an extension for McCarthy.

There is also the question of how much is Dan Quinn and his defense helping McCarthy look good.

It would be fair to argue that with McCarthy publicly saying the offense is playing to the team's strength, which is the defense, he is publicly admitting that Dan Quinn's side (defense) is more important than McCarthy's side (offense).

Of course that is not in any way dismissing the "administrative" role McCarthy provides, and two 12-5 back-to-back seasons including one missing Prescott for several games validates that.

What it does though is show why there is no rush to extend McCarthy at this time.

The problem occurs if and when Quinn decides he wants to be a HC once again.

Most of us would lean towards retaining Quinn over MM, but their success is tied together.

It's really difficult to fire a head coach who's doing a damn good job, in order to promote/retain a coach already on staff. That's why I've argued to let Quinn pick out a younger guy to mold and shadow him. We need someone who's 100% bought in and like minded. We need baby Dan Quinn because in another season or two we may lose him and it would be a shame if his replacement isn't all about carrying on his philosophy of defense. Let us bare fruit from the Dan Quinn tree if he is to leave. I hope he stays and creates a legacy defense in Dallas, but there's no guarantee.
 

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....its looking like 3 yrs in row of post-season ball. When did that last happen?

We still, yet to learn what will come of this season. We might be opening the gates this year.

Big Mike, extension? Without question.
 

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They can and will look at extending after this season. No reason to rush the process.
 

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Contrary to popular believe Jerry hates firing coaches. After this season Mike will effectively be a lame duck coach with one year remaining on his deal. The logical thinking was that to get an extension you had to wait until the playoffs and see what happens then.

This is Jerry we are talking about. Don't rule out an extension in the regular season. A win against 49ers in week 5 and I could see it happening.


Dumb, he deserves no extension if he can't get past the divisional round. Euphoria wears off pretty quickly when one loss sends you to the curb.
 

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It would be fair to argue that with McCarthy publicly saying the offense is playing to the team's strength, which is the defense, he is publicly admitting that Dan Quinn's side (defense) is more important than McCarthy's side (offense).

This is... No, not a fair arguement at all. Lol
 

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When was the last time you saw a Dallas game and you honestly felt as if the coaching was what won it for us?

Good point.
To answer...
This coaching staff, last year, Dak goes down, the games with Cooper Rush we played complimentary football and the only time the offense had Mike's fingerprints all over it.

I've been following the Chargers, too... Crash and burn. Looks very familiar, too.
 

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I don't think there's any way possible he's getting an extension during the season... He probably is going to get an extension regardless of what he does in the playoffs but how much money and how long will be determine in the playoffs... It also might be determined by what Dan Quinn wants to do as well so who knows how it's gonna work I prefer to do this stuff in the offseason and stop talking about it in the regular season and I believe they feel the same way... Let's finish the season talk about it in February...
 

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I just want to give a big thanks to the New York Jets management, because if not for them, Mike McCarthy would not be the Head coach in Dallas.......Three years ago when McCarthy was available, I said at the time the New York Jets would be stupid not to hire him when they were in the market for a head coach but as usual since they're the Jets, they went and hired Adam Gase.....To borrow the words of WFAN's radio host and Jets fan Joe Benigno, what a disaster!!!

There were lots of fans on this forum that didn't like or want McCarthy when he was hired, but I think they've slowly come around to a guy that has his philosphy and fingerprints all over this team.....
Well I wanted Jerry to hire Kyle Shanahan after Atlanta let him go. Just think Dallas might of won a SB by now if he would of listened to me.
 

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Quinn is a massive part of the success in Dallas. He certainly appears happy in Big D and he and MM are a great team… but you have to wonder if he is looking to captain his own ship again?

Is MM more important than Quinn? It is tough because MM deserves a TON of credit, but the impact of losing Quinn will potentially set this team back quite a bit.

I would love to see them promote DQ to Asst HC/DC and give both guys an extension and similar pay and contract lengths and try and keep them both in their sweet spot for as long as possible.

Unrealistic as likely DQ leaves in the offseason— but I can dream lol
That’s the issue. If I had to replace one or the other I’d replace Mike. And that choice may be coming soon
 

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That’s the issue. If I had to replace one or the other I’d replace Mike. And that choice may be coming soon
and yet you're not thinking much ahead you do realize the history of a lot of coordinators is that they are a lot better elite coordinators than they are head coaches and right now we have a very good head coach and you think Dan Quinn somehow is gonna keep the defense going at this pace and then taking on all the head coaching kitties and somehow this time it's gonna workout like it's a guarantee that we're gonna get better sometimes you guys just don't remember the sayings the grass isn't always greener on the other side and in this case the turf.. You're literally willing to throw away a very successful head coach in hopes that the coordinator who already failed as a head coach can maintain his defense and be a great HC.. We've seen so many examples of why you should be really careful what you wish for.... The best thing to do would be trying to keep both for another year at least you know let's finish what we start then decide how we're gonna break all this up but throwing away Mike McCarthy and hopes that Dan Quinn is gonna be successful as a head coach is ridiculous...
 

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So let's say the Cowboys go to the playoffs with a 12-5 record and lose in the division round.

Describe to me Jerry's explanation to the media if he fires the first Cowboys HC to make the playoffs three seasons in a row since 1996.

How do you justify replacing him with the guy that was responsible for the performance of half that team during those three seasons? Not only that, but how does Jerry describe his confidence in a HC who's previous team was responsible for blowing he largest lead in Super bowl history?

If the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, will Mike even want an extension? He will be the first HC to win Super Bowls with two different franchises. What more would he have to prove?
 

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McCarthy isn’t going anywhere, get the deal done. It’s hilarious that some actually think he’ll be fired at this point. The team looks the best it has in decades.
 

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The team has looked impressive, but it has only been 2 games so far, so it is way to early to be thinking about an extension for McCarthy.

There is also the question of how much is Dan Quinn and his defense helping McCarthy look good.

It would be fair to argue that with McCarthy publicly saying the offense is playing to the team's strength, which is the defense, he is publicly admitting that Dan Quinn's side (defense) is more important than McCarthy's side (offense).

Of course that is not in any way dismissing the "administrative" role McCarthy provides, and two 12-5 back-to-back seasons including one missing Prescott for several games validates that.

What it does though is show why there is no rush to extend McCarthy at this time.
Jerry doesn't mind paying for results. He has, although, picked up on today's accountability. New contracts are what San Francisco just did, and he doesn't care to be compared directly to them, except for final success. He has acquired a firm hand in the present. Go Cowboys...your way!
 

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So let's say the Cowboys go to the playoffs with a 12-5 record and lose in the division round.

Describe to me Jerry's explanation to the media if he fires the first Cowboys HC to make the playoffs three seasons in a row since 1996.

How do you justify replacing him with the guy that was responsible for the performance of half that team during those three seasons? Not only that, but how does Jerry describe his confidence in a HC who's previous team was responsible for blowing he largest lead in Super bowl history?

If the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, will Mike even want an extension? He will be the first HC to win Super Bowls with two different franchises. What more would he have to prove?
Success inspires responsibility to team. It would center there as well with the view held along with his by Quinn.
 

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Mike McCarthy is doing a great job so far but there's a long way to go before the 2023 season is history. I think he'll be extended but it's early yet. Anything asked or declared at this point in time concerning an extension is grossly premature. So far so good with 2 games completed, though.
Mike McCarthy will fully continue the job started when the pandemic arrived. He hasn't let go of directions or leadership involved. He will continue to respond to momentum changes in a very effective manner. It now depends upon the severity of bumps in the road and how those occur. He's ready and so is his team!
 

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McCarthy had a terrible start to his tenure in Dallas. The analytics thing that turned out to be total BS. Handing the offense over to KM and being hands off. Mike Nolan was hand picked by McCarthy and was one of Dallas' worst defensive coordinators. The constant penalties and sloppiness.

That bad first impression has stuck around. This year has been different but its only been 2 games. Right now I would hope that they could keep McCarthy and Quinn around for 5 years but things change. Let's see how this year plays out.
Agree.

That 2020 defense was a joke.

The 2023 defense has dominated so far.

It’s taken the focus off big Mike and the odd play calling.

Look for teams to play more zone.

That short passing game is boring.
 

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An extension not likely at early or the middle of a season.
I assume the big decision will be made 'after' the season - either success or failure.
It's about goals and incentives, and what happens during playoffs in this season's drive.

- The jack of the cards is clearly DC Dan Quinn who could easily be an instant new HC elsewhere.
If we get yet another quick playoff exit, then all the win records, NFC East division would not even matter.

- The Jones have to feel they have provided everything the big Mac needs to succeed - franchise QB, more weapons,
elite DC, player personnel, solid drafts, key middle ground trades, vet FA's, backup QBs, etc. etc.

- And this year finally embedded him with the total control of the offense. It's sink or swim.

- Then a decision is to be made, extend Mac or buy out his remaining deal and allow him to " re-sign" to save face.
- And promote DC Quinn to new HC.
 

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Agree.

That 2020 defense was a joke.

The 2023 defense has dominated so far.

It’s taken the focus off big Mike and the odd play calling.

Look for teams to play more zone.

That short passing game is boring.
Yup.

This offense is basic.
 
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