Extreme Skins... WOW!

[Yakuza Rich]

If you bring up anything about upgrading personnel, you'll get a snarky response about offseason championships and possibly Dan Snyder.

If you bring up anyting about upgrading personnel, the Skins fans always claim how they've made great upgrades and the Cowboys didn't and how their FA's will be busts because Jerry is an idiot. Do Bigg Davis, Brooking and Sensabaugh ring a bell? All supposedly awful pickups by the Commanders lore while Brandon Lloyd was the next Art Monk, Randle El was the next Gary Clark, Jason Campbell was the next Doug Williams. Hell, Jason Campbell was supposed to be better than Romo because he was drafted in the first round and Joe Gibbs drafted him. When Parcells walks away without a championship, it's a 'failure.' When Gibbs walks away without a championship and a worse record it's a 'success.'

We hear it every year, but the records speak for themselves.

If you bring up anything about match-ups, they'll just claim they are just better everywhere. If you say anything about comparing talent levels, they'll just say they'll win an overly large number of times or we're not in the same league.

If you bring up match ups, the Skins fan always says that they'll win matchups. Same with talent levels, etc.

Hell, we have Skins fans here that have GUARANTEED victory in week 1. When you ask how can you guarantee that it's because 'Shanahan has been scouting the Cowboys.'

You wanna talk matchups?

I think Ware has owned Jammal Brown every time they've faced each other and you're going to have a rookie facing either Ware or Spencer as both switch sides quite often.

I think (and I've said this before) that the Eagles wouldn't trade McNabb to a divisional rival unless they were confident in doing so and we beat McNabb 4 out of the last 5 times we've faced him.

I think our safety coverage will be far better, thus making life tougher for Moss and Cooley.

I think Haynesworth has yet to pass his physical conditioning yet and really does not want to play for the Skins. And I think when you put a guy like that at DE, it doesn't always equate to success because they have to deal with bigger and mobile offensive tackles and guards.

I think I'll take Witten against your safeties and I think you forget that Kemoeatu stunk in Carolina and Gurode can handle him, leaving McIntosh and Fletcher alone to fend for themselves.

I think the past record shows that Haslett's defenses were blitz happy and lousy and the Cowboys' freeze draw system tore up blitzes last year.

If you bring up actual games, they'll default to blaming the refs, not bringing their a-game, beating themselves or use the term "fluky".

Skins fans are the kings of this. Hell, they don't need to complain...Joe Gibbs will send tapes to the league to complain instead.

Anybody can win on any given Sunday (or Monday), but the facts are the Cowboys went 11-5 last year and have been pretty successful since 2005 and the Commanders went 4-12 last year and have not been successful since 2005 and the Cowboys swept the Commanders. So really, Commanders fans need to know their role this offseason.






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[The Ominous]

Yeah, that would be a good argument if our roster and coaching staff even resembled (I would go with even rhyme at this point) anything that had to do with the 2009 debacle.

But...but...That is ALSO the same thing I hear every time you have a different coach with a different scheme, and it constantly happens.

It's a vicious cycle that keeps repeating, and repeating......and repeating.

Keep it up because I love it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I like the way the Skins match up with Dallas. I really think the OL for Dallas (even if Free isn't a downgrade from Flozell who wasn't exactly great the past two years) has fallen off a bit and early camp reports are exactly promising either.

Link?

www.extremeskins.com

 

[ScipioCowboy]

www.extremeskins.com

:laugh2:

 

[SaltwaterServr]

You are serious aren't you? God, you make yourself look dumber with each post

I suppose 35-7 was because of Dallas.

Or 22-19 was because of Dallas (when in fact the Commanders had a blown a chance to win that one prior to the blocked kick)

I guess being down 20-3 at the half in 2007 was because of the starters being out?

Or being hammered in 2008 by Jim Freakin Zorn and Jason Campbell before getting a last minute garbage TD.

If anything, the Commanders blew that game in Dallas last year 7-6. If not for Suisham cursing us before he cursed you, its a Commanders win

And to be honest, in December, my local high school would have beaten the Commanders. If you are pounding your chest about beating a team with Jason Campbell at QB, and bums like Heyer, Montgomery, and Levi Brown on o-line, more power to you my friend.

Don't be that guy buddy. Take your beatings like a man and don't give me the "we let you win" BS.

Interesting that you pick only the few latest seasons that fit your bill. Hostile owned you on this very thing, cherry picking a limited number of years to prove your weak case.

The reason you've got bums out there is because YOUR front office and puppet GM put together your team. They didn't magically drift into the starting line up.

It's a direct result of Snyderatto's failings that gave you crap out there. Trying to justify a loss by the lack of talent is a pathetic attempt to deflect the fact your front office has and will continue to suck for quite some time yet the blind faithful of the Commanders will rally to the Baskin Robbins flavor of the week coach that your owner throws out there with whatever bingo-calling idiot he can dredge up.

Even you are smart enough (I think) to realize Shanahan> Jim Zorn.

At least I hope you are. I am starting to have my doubts

"To be named coach">Shanahan>Zorn>gibbs 2.0> Spurrier>Schottenheimer>Robiskie>Turner

Yeah, we get it. You'll fall for whatever new flavor Danny boy trots out there for you. We've seen that same song and dance for year after year after year. A sensible person would wise up to the fact your team fails consistently with different coaches. Danny boy can't help himself, and fleeces all of you along the way.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving fan base, save Philadelphia.

Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? As I have stated in this thread, Haynesworth is slated to start at RE. He'll probably move around, play NT, and play DT when the Commanders go to a 4-3.

The real reason he wasn't around was becasue he didn't want to work hard and be held accountable. Thats why he came to Club Snyderrato in the first place rather then stay in Tenn, to cash a pay check.

I don't live on ES.com so I, like the rest of the world not bathing in burgunday and **** yellow can see that Haynesworth was THE guy to be your big run plugging NT until this whole situation back in the beginning of the offseason blew up. Then the story changed and your other guy is now the starter. Funny how a guy who doesn't show up for a single solitary thing for the entire offseason and publicly voices his discontent can suddenly "not" the be the guy starting at a position.

How odd for a coach to move someone else into the starting role or give lip service to a position move when the player hasn't done a full practice in what, 8 months?

It is a good thing that was over a decade ago. Hopefully Mr. Hasleeet (as Steve Spurrier has called him) has learned a thing or 2. If anything, it'll be much more agressive then Greg Bllleeeeh.

:laugh2:

Oh wow. YOU threw out that he had a great defense in Pittsburgh. YOUR point of emphasis. Your so clueless about your own staff that it has to be pointed out that he failed miserably in Pittsburgh and now your retort is "good thing that was over a decade ago. Hopefully he's learned a thing or two." How pathetic.

You hope he'll be more aggressive than your last DC, yet he doesn't have the parts and pieces for a decent 3-4. The tight ends and running backs running WCO-esque routes are going to eat your linebacker's lunch and crap in your lunch box when they're done. Just ask Philly how important linebackers can be in covering the TE's and RB's out of the backfield.

McNabb had garbage like Stinkston and Trash as his WRs for several years. For once he'll have a coach who doesn't think running the ball will give him herpes. And to be honest, why not pick a big upset. Hell, even Romo managed to beat the Colts in 2006.

Again, don't be that guy. I think you are smarter then you were in that post based on what I have seen of you on this board, but I am starting to lose that faith.

Running the ball? With what backs? You've got the best of 2005 out there and it isn't scaring anybody.

McNabb's saving grace was his mobility, and that's long gone. There is no Westbrook to bail him out on your team, and the offensive line is a joke waiting for the sack as a punchline.

Even Romo managed to beat the Colts in 2006? Nice try buddy.

But feel free to continue being "that Commanders fan" who thinks whatever pitiful changes Danny boy has made will bring you to the promised land of at least a game over .500. Keep on keeping on with that. :laugh2:

 

[BAZ]

That's why I think I'm going to avoid actually posting

ray:

Dear Lord baby Jesus, lyin' there in your ghost manger...

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

But feel free to continue being "that Commanders fan" who thinks whatever pitiful changes Danny boy has made will bring you to the promised land of at least a game over .500. Keep on keeping on with that. :laugh2:

You really are a joke.

What part of 6-10 do you not understand? How is that over .500?

 

[zrinkill]

Example of the two guys you are arguing with.

I don't care if the Cowboys think they are America's Team. To think the Cowboys represent America (to who, other Americans?) is idiotic and only a moron could believe it.

I'll be back in 3 years. The Commanders have a very long way to go to become relevant again. I am not predicting a Superbowl, or division championship even. Just a competitive professional football team by the 2012 season

(of course, I will reply to responses to this post. But after today, there is no point in being back until the 2012 season)

 

[chicago JK]

I don't have a problem with the Skins offseason at all. McNabb has his warts but in general if you have good QB play you will win more than you lose. Whether he will be there for the next 5 years is another story, but I still don't understand why Philly traded him within the division.

My biggest isue with the skins is the lack the young proven talent the other three teams have in the division. I only count Orakpo and possibly Trent Williams in the future as legit young building blocks. Now having a rush linebacker and LT is a good place to start with young talent but I don't know who else I would include in this group. Fred Davis had a good 8 games but he got his chance with cooley out. I think he is a nice pass catching tight end but he is sort of one dimensional and I think it may be tough to play both catch first tight ends together. Either way, if he continues to produce he could be another young player. Landry is a solid player but has not proven to be a the top pick as he was drafted to be. I don't know who else I would include. So while the other three teams in the division have established good talent, they are also adding more younger pieces than the Skins.

My other big beef with the Skin fans is how they are already factoring good play by their RT Brown, NT, and Carriker. All may pan out, but lets remember that none of them played last year and their previous teams all had fire sales where any team could get them at .50 to the dollar. Now all these acquisiitons were low risk but they were low risk for a reason. Sometimes they work out (see Columbo) other times they do not. I would be a little cautious saying you have solved the interior line play by counting on all three of these guys to rebound from their past injuries/dissapointments. Again low risk on all but not sure bets.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

My biggest isue with the skins is the lack the young proven talent the other three teams have in the division. I only count Orakpo and possibly Trent Williams in the future as legit young building blocks. Now having a rush linebacker and LT is a good place to start with young talent but I don't know who else I would include in this group. Fred Davis had a good 8 games but he got his chance with cooley out. I think he is a nice pass catching tight end but he is sort of one dimensional and I think it may be tough to play both catch first tight ends together. Either way, if he continues to produce he could be another young player. Landry is a solid player but has not proven to be a the top pick as he was drafted to be. I don't know who else I would include. So while the other three teams in the division have established good talent, they are also adding more younger pieces than the Skins.

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The team seriously lacks young talent, and with the entire 2008 looking like a flop (maybe Devin Thomas pans out and Kareem Moore has some potential at FS, or else Fred Davis is it in terms of talent.)

2009 is pretty much Orakpo at this point. We'll see how Barnes does

2010 too early to judge.

2011 needs to be a draft similar to what Shanny got in 2006, with 4 solid future starters being drafted. Recouping picks will be key

 

[EPL0c0]

I don't post here much but....Just a few lines from Extreme Skins. This was my first time visiting their site. I had no idea these guys were so delusional, or is it just me.

"McNabb is the reason this team has unlimited potential. Combined with the fact that this team has an amazing coaching staff, the sky is the limit."

"McNabb adds leadership which has been lacking from the qb position for a decade.

But he also brings an approach to the game where an opponent has to beat his team, he is not going to throw away the game on interceptions and turnovers.

He has the lowest interception ratio in the NFL among starting quarterbacks and a positive turnover differential along with limited injuries are MAJOR FACTORS in determining which teams make the postseason".

It's pre-season, I think EVERY fan should get a pass for thinking their team will go all the way this season. That's what makes'em fans. The regular season is what brings'em back down to reality

 

[BourbonBalz]

ES is basically the same thing as a classroom full of kindergarten kids. I know this is in bad taste, but it does get the point across.

 

[TOOMBS]

I think the Cowboys match up well defensively against the Skins however, Mike Shanahan's zone blocking scheme, has always rushed well against the NFC East. I did the math a while back and he posts insane stats.

This is just too ridiculous not to respond to. So even though Shanahan is employed by a different team containing different players, and is playing an NFC East team with different players........... just the fact that Dallas is in the NFC East, he will rush well against them?

The only two variables that matter are whether or not the coach is Shanahan and whether or not his opponent is from the NFC East?

This is the same garbage logic in a thread I read on Extremeskins when Gibbs2.0 was in his second season and someone posted a thread about how that the Commanders would win a Superbowl that year JUST because Gibbs 1.0 won a Superbowl in his second season.


Hey bro, If I was you I would be worried about our game in week 1. Everytime Wade Phillips has lost weight in the offseason, he has won his first game of the season...........BE VERY AFRAID!

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Example of the two guys you are arguing with.

Very good point. Of my entire retort, he picked out his record prediction.

It's almost as if all NFC East fans were lined up before birth and were given an IQ test.

Archangel Michael, "Well, let's see here. You'll be born into football, and you're going to a family with NFC East ties. Good teams there, you'll be enjoying some good football.

Ah, I see you checked off that you like the Cowboys. Great! Lot of history there. Tons of future potential as well.

So how'd you do on the IQ test?

Oh. Wow. 85. Not so good. The report here says "Little if any cognitive ability shown. Critical thinking skills non-existent." That's a tough break kid.

Not to worry, you've shown a propensity towards the colors burgundy and **** yellow. We've got the perfect team for you."

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Here's a crib sheet for arguing with most Cowboys fans.

If you bring up anything about upgrading personnel, you'll get a snarky response about offseason championships and possibly Dan Snyder. If you bring up anything about match-ups, they'll just claim they are just better everywhere. If you say anything about comparing talent levels, they'll just say they'll win an overly large number of times or we're not in the same league. If you bring up actual games, they'll default to blaming the refs, not bringing their a-game, beating themselves or use the term "fluky".

Honestly, it's like one of those wind-up toys. The arguments will change but they are all the same 5 things over again. It's like there's some brainwashing Cowboys seminar most of them go to where they are taught these same tired stereotypes (2005 was the last "offseason championship" I think we won and yet, it's still brought up) and can't seem to respond to a dynamic conversation.

That's why I think I'm going to avoid actually posting on Skins-Cowboys things on here, it's just not worth the frustration.

And this little silly rant is different from the stuff Commanders fans attempt to throw at Cowboys fans...how?

I mean the typical Commanders fan had the "you haven't won a playoff game in X amount of years" locked up as their old reliable argument.

But you're going to come to a Cowboys forum and try and preach about how Cowboys fans are mean, make silly comments, and do these things and act like Commanders fans don't do the EXACT SAME THINGS?

Get out of here with that junk.

 

[ravidubey]

QB- McNabb
LOT- Trent Williams
WOLB- Brian Orakpo
SOLB- Andre Carter
WR- Santana Moss
CB- ?
#2WR - ?
C- ?

Their core has some holes to fill, but some of the tougher pieces to find are in place.

 

[Apluz]

QB- McNabb
LOT- Trent Williams
WOLB- Brian Orakpo
SOLB- Andre Carter
WR- Santana Moss
CB- ?
#2WR - ?
C- ?

Their core has some holes to fill, but some of the tougher pieces to find are in place.

Andre' Carter and to a lessor extent Brian Orakpo will have to show they can make the conversion to OLB in a 3-4 scheme. They are in the same boat Doug Free is in.... team knows he has talent but until he goes out and plays well at LT (in games that count) there will be doubt in the back of our mind.

Not all DE's can make the switch to OLB seamlessly. Carter and Orakpo will have to prove it on the field first.

Trent Williams is a promising young rookie tackle prospect while Moss should benefit from playing with McNabb.

 

[Ren]

3-4 OLB is a perfect fit for Orakpo, he'll be good. He's probably the main reason they changed.

Not so sure about the rest of them though