Extreme Skins... WOW!

[Rynie]

I was at this store the other day, and the guy at the register was a 'Skins fan. He asked who my team was. When I said the Cowboys, he immediately called me a bandwagon fan. Really? Anyways, I guess I can't call him a bandwagon fan. They haven't done anything worthwhile in years. Cool story bro?

 

[Ren]

I was at this store the other day, and the guy at the register was a 'Skins fan. He asked who my team was. When I said the Cowboys, he immediately called me a bandwagon fan. Really? Anyways, I guess I can't call him a bandwagon fan. They haven't done anything worthwhile in years. Cool story bro?

Those troglodytes have been calling us bandwagon fans since forever, i remember being called a bandwagon fan during the Campo years as well by a Skins fans.

Wait and see if he's still a fan in October before you start giving kudos, all their fans come back for their annual offseason championship

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Sunday night at home, just a random hunch. There is always a shocker type game in a season.

The 1995 Commanders didn't belong on the same field as the Cowboys yet rolled over them twice

Two last season come to mind. Detroit winning its first game in over a season, and Tampa Bay snapping a double digit losing streak.

Unless we come out and seriously crap the bed Dallas will take this game no matter the lip service paid to "any given Sunday" and "its a division game."

When the cart hitches to the horse, Dallas is a better team top to bottom, with more talent, and with years of continuity in our defensive and offensive systems.

You've got a coach who's last two seasons he presided over the collapse of the Broncos including putting together the 32nd ranked defense. Let's not forget he had a four game lead in the division with four games to play in 2008 and what happened there? He's got a history of firing offensive and defensive coordinators when things don't go right as a way of deflecting criticisms from himself.

He's got to completely rebuild an offensive line for his blocking schemes. He's running the knees out of your supposed starting NT who doesn't want to be a NT to begin with.

This guy is your savior? You'd be better off with Gibbs 3.0.

Your defensively ill-equipped to play the 3-4 and have a joke of a defensive coordinator trying to install it.

In a very real set of circumstances Washington could again end up 4-12.

Really kewt of you to think you'll roll Indianapolis though. Really. It is.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

There was not any reason to mention them then. It's the team which will provide the wins. Even with their previous season in mind, it's understandable why the Rams experienced the turnaround during the following season based upon coaching and personnel. You don't think someone snapped their fingers and suddenly they became the greatest show on turf do you?

Of course not. Based upon your own examples of turnarounds, the Commanders can expect their turnaround to be closer to that of '08 Miami's than the '99 Rams. How close is the only question. My guess is that there will be a three/four game difference less. Minimum.

How exactly was the Rams turnaround understandable?

You actually think people thought they'd turn around anywhere near that much cause of Dick Vermeil?

And the personell changes...no one knew, and I mean no one, that Kurt Warner would turn out to be what he was.

In fact when Green went down I imagine the vast majority of people probably thought the Rams were on their way to 3-13, not a Superbowl season.


I don't see the Commanders getting anywhere near a Superbowl, not even close, but that was the point of his examples. No one thought the Rams were getting anywhere near a Superbowl going into that season either, especially once a backup journeyman, nobody, QB took over for an injuried Green.

 

[Anjinsan]

I don't post here much but....Just a few lines from Extreme Skins. This was my first time visiting their site. I had no idea these guys were so delusional, or is it just me.

"McNabb is the reason this team has unlimited potential. Combined with the fact that this team has an amazing coaching staff, the sky is the limit."

"McNabb adds leadership which has been lacking from the qb position for a decade.

But he also brings an approach to the game where an opponent has to beat his team, he is not going to throw away the game on interceptions and turnovers.

He has the lowest interception ratio in the NFL among starting quarterbacks and a positive turnover differential along with limited injuries are MAJOR FACTORS in determining which teams make the postseason".

This is the NFL. Don't underestimate any team.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This is the NFL. Don't underestimate any team.

We don't take the field. Under or overestimating any team at any given time is a luxury the fans enjoy.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Two last season come to mind. Detroit winning its first game in over a season, and Tampa Bay snapping a double digit losing streak.

Every season something happens with each team. Hell, there was no reason the 2008 Commanders should have beat Dallas in Dallas.

Unless we come out and seriously crap the bed Dallas will take this game no matter the lip service paid to "any given Sunday" and "its a division game."

You have been more talented in the last 10 games these teams have played against each other. The record? 5-5

When the cart hitches to the horse, Dallas is a better team top to bottom, with more talent, and with years of continuity in our defensive and offensive systems.

Agree

You've got a coach who's last two seasons he presided over the collapse of the Broncos including putting together the 32nd ranked defense. Let's not forget he had a four game lead in the division with four games to play in 2008 and what happened there? He's got a history of firing offensive and defensive coordinators when things don't go right as a way of deflecting criticisms from himself.

I can't speak to his Denver days besides 2 Superbowl titles, and getting to the AFC Championship with Jake freakin Plummer. (which is a land that Wade has never been to)

However, he is far superior to Jim Zorn.

He's got to completely rebuild an offensive line for his blocking schemes. He's running the knees out of your supposed starting NT who doesn't want to be a NT to begin with.

Do you research buddy, you know that Haynesworth is not the starting NT. Thats Kemowate. Don't discredit yourself with stupidity

This guy is your savior? You'd be better off with Gibbs 3.0.

Your defensively ill-equipped to play the 3-4 and have a joke of a defensive coordinator trying to install it.

Haslett a joke? He shut down the Cowboys quite well in 2008 with half the talent he has now on the field.

However, more importantly, he ran a pretty solid 3-4 with Steelers, and had his D playing hard both in NO and St. Louis. Far better then Bleeh, who by the way only gave up 24 points to the vaunted Dallas O last season. And that was a pretty piss poor D we had.

In a very real set of circumstances Washington could again end up 4-12.

Really kewt of you to think you'll roll Indianapolis though. Really. It is.

It must be a CZ thing that reading comprehension is not a strong suit. Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit either.

Point out where I said the Commanders roll Indy. Please, do that :laugh2:

 

[The Emperor]

Point out where I said the Commanders roll Indy. Please, do that***(MAM: Let's fix that smiley. People who use any laughing smiley to fortify their position lose IQ points with me. So, let's kill that and have a reasonable conversation like adults.

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan
And there are always the examples of the 1999 Rams (4-12 to Superbowl champs) and the 2008 Dolphins (1-15 to 11-5 with modest changes including bringing in a good vet QB).

My personal opinion, the team will be far better, split the division, but with a tough schedule only go 6-10

Wins vs Dallas, Philly, NYG, Lions, Rams, and an upset over the Colts at home



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You are what you are. The Skins were a 4-12 team last year, which is horrible. Now they've made improvements to their roster, but that's still a long way to go from horrible to good. And because football is the ultimate team sport, adding better players doesn't guarantee more success. Who can forget the 2006 Commanders who were supposed to be Super Bowl bound with the additions of Achuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El and others? They wound up going 5-11 and that was with the almighty Joe Gibbs as head coach.


And there are always the examples of the 1999 Rams (4-12 to Superbowl champs) and the 2008 Dolphins (1-15 to 11-5 with modest changes including bringing in a good vet QB).

My personal opinion, the team will be far better, split the division, but with a tough schedule only go 6-10

Wins vs Dallas, Philly, NYG, Lions, Rams, and an upset over the Colts at home

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Haslett a joke? He shut down the Cowboys quite well in 2008 with half the talent he has now on the field.

Uh, Brad Johnson was the starting QB in that game. Enuff said.

However, more importantly, he ran a pretty solid 3-4 with Steelers, and had his D playing hard both in NO and St. Louis. :

His defenses stunk in New Orleans. There used to be a running joke as to whether or not a bunch of sports writers could run for 5 yards a carry against the Saints defense.





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[ScipioCowboy]

Do you research buddy, you know that Haynesworth is not the starting NT. Thats Kemowate. Don't discredit yourself with stupidity

So what position does Haynesworth play? Certainly one the highest paid defensive players in the NFL can't be slated to be a back up.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So what position does Haynesworth play? Certainly one the highest paid defensive players in the NFL can't be slated to be a back up.

He will the right defensive end. Probably play some nose as well. Probably DT when the team goes to a 4-3 look.

The plan is not to have sit at nose and eat up blockers on 1st and 2nd down all game long

 

[BourbonBalz]

Those troglodytes have been calling us bandwagon fans since forever, i remember being called a bandwagon fan during the Campo years as well by a Skins fans.

Wait and see if he's still a fan in October before you start giving kudos, all their fans come back for their annual offseason championship

Anybody, especially a Foreskin fan, that calls me a bandwagon fan is gonna get the crap knocked out of them. I've been a fan since around 1969-1970, so anyone that calls me a bandwagon fan is gonna be in for quite a surprise.

 

[The Ominous]

Those troglodytes have been calling us bandwagon fans since forever, i remember being called a bandwagon fan during the Campo years as well by a Skins fans.

Wait and see if he's still a fan in October before you start giving kudos, all their fans come back for their annual offseason championship

I was at the Tennesse vs Dallas game in 2002 at Texas Stadium. I was cheering my *** off for that insufficient team that I still loved, and lo and behold, there were TWO 49ers fans sitting a few rows behind us who purposely went to the game to heckle our fans. They called me a bandwagoner one time and I turned around and released the inner-rage that is The Ominous. Suffice to say they came to the game for one reason, and left for another. They conveniently left when I called them out. As they were leaving, Quincy threw the perfect throw to Galloway in the corner of the end-zone right in front of us.

I know our team sucked at that point, but that was the perfect way to shut-up some haters.

 

[The Emperor]

I was at the Tennesse vs Dallas game in 2002 at Texas Stadium. I was cheering my *** off for that insufficient team that I still loved, and lo and behold, there were TWO 49ers fans sitting a few rows behind us who purposely went to the game to heckle our fans. They called me a bandwagoner one time and I turned around and released the inner-rage that is The Ominous. Suffice to say they came to the game for one reason, and left for another. They conveniently left when I called them out. As they were leaving, Quincy threw the perfect throw to Galloway in the corner of the end-zone right in front of us.

I know our team sucked at that point, but that was the perfect way to shut-up some haters.

Really? To see you do that to those San Franpsycho fans would have been worth the price of admission. Forget the game.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Every season something happens with each team. Hell, there was no reason the 2008 Commanders should have beat Dallas in Dallas.
You have been more talented in the last 10 games these teams have played against each other. The record? 5-5

Your absolutely right. 1 game we pulled our starters immediately after half time and some before. In 2008 Garrett called one of his worst games ever. Then Romo comes back for the game with a half pound of rust on his broken hand, including a splint, and beats Washington in Washington.

Point is, Dallas beats Dallas. You guys are just along for the ride and to win the Washington "Super Bowl".

I can't speak to his Denver days besides 2 Superbowl titles, and getting to the AFC Championship with Jake freakin Plummer. (which is a land that Wade has never been to) However, he is far superior to Jim Zorn.

Really? So you doooooooo have Gibbs 3.0, hoping the resume that is decades old can somehow repeat itself. From what I'm seeing your coach's most recent and therefore absolutely most relevant resume looks a lot like this:

2008: 8-8, 4 game lead blown, 32nd ranked defense that he created after firing yet another defensive coordinator.

2007: 7-9

2006: 9-7

2005: 13-3, Woo-hoo the playoffs! New England fumbles kick-offs, punts, Champ Bailey returns it to the 1, and so on and so forth. New England lost by comical errors, just like Minnesota last year.

2004 10-6 First round blowout getting schooled by Peyton

2003 10-6 First round blowout getting schooled by Peyton

2002 - 9-7

2001 - 8-8

So there you go. A gift win by New England and a trend at the end of his Denver days where he presided over their collapse. Enjoy!

Do you research buddy, you know that Haynesworth is not the starting NT. Thats Kemowate. Don't discredit yourself with stupidity

Yeah, that's why Haynesworth has been creating a ton of drama this offseason, because he's NOT going to be playing nose tackle. *** ever.

Haslett a joke? He shut down the Cowboys quite well in 2008 with half the talent he has now on the field.

However, more importantly, he ran a pretty solid 3-4 with Steelers, and had his D playing hard both in NO and St. Louis. Far better then Bleeh, who by the way only gave up 24 points to the vaunted Dallas O last season. And that was a pretty piss poor D we had.

Oh really? This is your retort? Haslett ran a pretty good defense in Pittsburgh? Take your own advice and do some research there buddy. Haslett was RUN OUT OF TOWN for his defense in Pittsburgh and that's pretty common knowledge. NFL.com, it's your friend.

Just to save you time and the group effort it would take a Commanders fan to look it up on their own, not to mention needing several tries to spell "nfl.com" correctly, I'll summarize Haslett's Pittsburgh defense.

1996 - 3rd in Rushing, 5th in Passing, 2nd Overall Defense.

Enter Haslett, 3 years of straight decline from 1997-1999

1999 - 11th overall, 4th passing, why pass though when your running defense is 26th in the league after being 3rd just a few years prior.

Haslett gets fired, Pittsburgh's defense immediately improves. Your defensive coordinator is probably one of the worst in the league in running the 3-4. Someone put this fool to sleep until the next time the four letter network says "the vaunted Haslett 3-4 defense". That should cover the rest of the years until Snyder sells the team.

It must be a CZ thing that reading comprehension is not a strong suit. Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit either.

Point out where I said the Commanders roll Indy. Please, do that :laugh2:

You said an upset of Indy. Semantics and in either case it's just as laughable.

Almost every single skill position in Washington is a tier or more below what they had in Philly on the offensive side of the ball and y'all start talking monster upsets because you don't have absolute garbage across the roster for once.

Only in D.C. can you get this kind of thinking. At least the losers in Detroit and Tampa Bay knew their place in the NFL last season. Washington should learn from the lessons they both put down on your team and keep quite silent until you can string together back to back winning seasons.

 

[DallasEast]

How exactly was the Rams turnaround understandable?

You actually think people thought they'd turn around anywhere near that much cause of Dick Vermeil?

And the personell changes...no one knew, and I mean no one, that Kurt Warner would turn out to be what he was.

In fact when Green went down I imagine the vast majority of people probably thought the Rams were on their way to 3-13, not a Superbowl season.

I don't see the Commanders getting anywhere near a Superbowl, not even close, but that was the point of his examples. No one thought the Rams were getting anywhere near a Superbowl going into that season either, especially once a backup journeyman, nobody, QB took over for an injuried Green.

It's 2010. My post is from hindsight, not foresight; and my looking at both the Rams' 1998 and 1999 seasons came from the former, not the latter.

At this time, I do not have the benefit of already knowing what the 2010 Washington Commanders will have done as far as turning around their season unlike how I can with the '99 Rams over their previous season in hindsight. I can only predict, based upon my opinion, of what the Commanders will bring to the table, in regards to their coaching and personnel, towards manifesting a turnaround this season, again, at this time (e.g. before the season has been played).

The discussion centers on the probability of Washington having a turnaround season before the fact. At this time, I already know what St. Louis did from 1998 to 1999. I do not know what Washington will do from 2009 to 2010. I do not have hindsight to fall back on, but what I describe as foresight does not preclude that this season's Commanders will have a similar turnaround as the '99 Rams.

Perhaps this season, Mike Shanahan (an ex-Super Bowl winning head coach) will have the same success in his first season with the Commanders as Dick Vermeil (an ex-Super Bowl losing head coach) did in his third season with the '99 Rams.

I just don't see it at this time.

Perhaps this season, the personnel moves which Washington has conducted over the previous two off seasons will be as significant as what the Rams' transactions in (for example) 1997 and 1998.

Looking at both teams, again, I just don't see it at this time.

Perhaps this season, Donovan McNabb will demonstrate the same prowess at quarterback as Kurt Warner did in 1999; OR someone backing him up will take over the reins after McNabb is sidelined for an unforeseen reason.

Who knows? But again, I just don't see that happening at this time.

Anything is possible in the NFL. I have said that repeatedly from the late 90's forward. The 2010 Washington Commanders may go 16-0. Right now, I don't see it. 15-1? Right now, I don't see it. 14-2? Right now, I don't see it. 13-3? Right now, I don't see it. 12-4? Right now, I don't see it. 11-5? eh, but right now, I don't see it. 10-6? Right now, I don't see it. 9-7? Right now, I don't see it.

8-8? Maybe. 7-9? Yes I do 'see' that. So, if I were to dive into a discussion of whether or not the 2010 Commanders, who were 4-12 last season, will enjoy a turnaround season equal to that of the 13-3 St. Louis Rams? My answer would be...

No.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So, if I were to dive into a discussion of whether or not the 2010 Commanders, who were 4-12 last season, will enjoy a turnaround season equal to that of the 13-3 St. Louis Rams? My answer would be...

No.

:clap2:

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Your absolutely right. 1 game we pulled our starters immediately after half time and some before. In 2008 Garrett called one of his worst games ever. Then Romo comes back for the game with a half pound of rust on his broken hand, including a splint, and beats Washington in Washington.

Point is, Dallas beats Dallas. You guys are just along for the ride and to win the Washington "Super Bowl". .

You are serious aren't you? God, you make yourself look dumber with each post

I suppose 35-7 was because of Dallas.

Or 22-19 was because of Dallas (when in fact the Commanders had a blown a chance to win that one prior to the blocked kick)

I guess being down 20-3 at the half in 2007 was because of the starters being out?

Or being hammered in 2008 by Jim Freakin Zorn and Jason Campbell before getting a last minute garbage TD.

If anything, the Commanders blew that game in Dallas last year 7-6. If not for Suisham cursing us before he cursed you, its a Commanders win

And to be honest, in December, my local high school would have beaten the Commanders. If you are pounding your chest about beating a team with Jason Campbell at QB, and bums like Heyer, Montgomery, and Levi Brown on o-line, more power to you my friend.

Don't be that guy buddy. Take your beatings like a man and don't give me the "we let you win" BS.

Really? So you doooooooo have Gibbs 3.0, hoping the resume that is decades old can somehow repeat itself. From what I'm seeing your coach's most recent and therefore absolutely most relevant resume looks a lot like this:

Even you are smart enough (I think) to realize Shanahan> Jim Zorn.

At least I hope you are. I am starting to have my doubts

Yeah, that's why Haynesworth has been creating a ton of drama this offseason, because he's NOT going to be playing nose tackle. *** ever.

Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? As I have stated in this thread, Haynesworth is slated to start at RE. He'll probably move around, play NT, and play DT when the Commanders go to a 4-3.

The real reason he wasn't around was becasue he didn't want to work hard and be held accountable. Thats why he came to Club Snyderrato in the first place rather then stay in Tenn, to cash a pay check.

Oh really? This is your retort? Haslett ran a pretty good defense in Pittsburgh? Take your own advice and do some research there buddy. Haslett was RUN OUT OF TOWN for his defense in Pittsburgh and that's pretty common knowledge. NFL.com, it's your friend.

Just to save you time and the group effort it would take a Commanders fan to look it up on their own, not to mention needing several tries to spell "nfl.com" correctly, I'll summarize Haslett's Pittsburgh defense.

1996 - 3rd in Rushing, 5th in Passing, 2nd Overall Defense.

Enter Haslett, 3 years of straight decline from 1997-1999

1999 - 11th overall, 4th passing, why pass though when your running defense is 26th in the league after being 3rd just a few years prior.

It is a good thing that was over a decade ago. Hopefully Mr. Hasleeet (as Steve Spurrier has called him) has learned a thing or 2. If anything, it'll be much more agressive then Greg Bllleeeeh.

Almost every single skill position in Washington is a tier or more below what they had in Philly on the offensive side of the ball and y'all start talking monster upsets because you don't have absolute garbage across the roster for once.

McNabb had garbage like Stinkston and Trash as his WRs for several years. For once he'll have a coach who doesn't think running the ball will give him herpes. And to be honest, why not pick a big upset. Hell, even Romo managed to beat the Colts in 2006.

Again, don't be that guy. I think you are smarter then you were in that post based on what I have seen of you on this board, but I am starting to lose that faith.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Something about skins fans must make one go crazy.

I mean it is a Cowboys board and we get a skins fan that is also a Hokie fan and we got another skins fan that is also a Terps fan.

How two people can root for two teams like that and post on an arch rivals message board is alarming.

Stinking Skins
Stinking Hokies
Stinking Terps

 

[Ren]

That last minute "garbage td" won that game but i guess if you're a skins fan it's not about the result as it is about getting some kind of moral victory so congrats on winning 2nd place in both our games last season,... "don't be that guy", lol classic


It's amazing the offseaon does to you guys it really is, every year it's the same crap "this year is gonna be different"

This thread is going to be a gold mine for quotes come October when you're once again eliminated from playoff contention