Extremeskins Implosion

[kapolani]

I know I shouldn't gloat over the fact that the Foreskins got blown out by the Panthers, but I'm gonna anyway.

I like to read posts at their board - purely for the comedic relief.

There was a lot of talk about how poorly we have been looking in pre-season because we haven't won a game.

They failed to mention that when we had our starters in we moved the ball well and made some good defensive stops.

When we finally decided to give the starters more playing time our offense looked fantastic. This last game was a dress rehearsal for us. Although we need some work we are making progress.

When the Foreskins had their chance to show what the starters can do they lay a big fat egg.

They are in damage control mode folks.

I live in Foreskin territory so I have to hear it from them constantly.

I keep telling them that as long as they have Jason Campbell back there they will never amount to anything.

But, he sure had poise back there!

 

[hank2k]

Looking more and more like Zorn was a huge mistake and may be a one and done.

The only worry I have is that Snyder decides to go after Jason Garrett if we have a great year.

Jerry will kick Wade upstairs and hand the reigns to Garrett if that looks likely.

 

[Sonny#9]

Looking more and more like Zorn was a huge mistake and may be a one and done.

You can tell that after a handful of preseason games? That's impressive. Please, enlighten us, using specific plays, examples, and how you would have done it differently.

 

[DCBoysfan]

The thing I have been at after the game is the way they were MANHANDLED...I mean MANHANDLED on both sides of the ball thru the entire game...I mean MANHANDLED , then there own coach calls his Oline soft....... did I mention MANHANDLED

 

[Thanos68]

They also failed to mention that in the 90's when we won our superbowls with Jimmy, I believe we lost every pre-season game. Pre-seasons means nothing.

 

[Hostile]

You can tell that after a handful of preseason games? That's impressive. Please, enlighten us, using specific plays, examples, and how you would have done it differently.

If it's a horrible year and Zorn is one and done your sarcasm will have been wasted. Wasted I say.

 

[1fisher]

If it's a horrible year and Zorn is one and done your sarcasm will have been wasted. Wasted I say.

one and done?? You don't really believe Danny would do that do you?

/sarcasm/

 

[Bach]

The only worry I have is that Snyder decides to go after Jason Garrett if we have a great year.

Never happen.

This will be Wade's last season. Winning the Super Bowl is the only case I can see where he may come back, but even then, I think he'd probably go out on top.

I'd be extremely surprised if Garrett isn't the Cowboys HC in '09.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You can tell that after a handful of preseason games? That's impressive. Please, enlighten us, using specific plays, examples, and how you would have done it differently.

How about the entire first half of the Panthers game, where despite playing their starters, the Commanders were down 34-0 at halftime.

Perhaps Zorn can work out, but I can't help but think if Al Davis had hired Zorn or Jerry Jones hired Zorn, Skins fans would be laughing at those owners for hiring somebody like Zorn in the fashion they did.

I think we all understand it's preseason, but if you can't be alarmed by such a drubbing in the 3rd week where the Skins played most of their starters, then you have an absurd amount of blind faith. It reminds me of 2006 when the Skins lost to the Pats in the 3rd week of preseason 41-0 and everything was going to still be okay because it was preseason according to Skins fans.






YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Never happen.

This will be Wade's last season. Winning the Super Bowl is the only case I can see where he may come back, but even then, I think he'd probably go out on top.

I'd be extremely surprised if Garrett isn't the Cowboys HC in '09.

I think if Wade makes the NFC Championship game and they don't lose due to blatantly stupid coaching, he'll probably be back. It's a bit tricky because the area that needs to get better is the defense and Wade has a great track record with defenses. But if you can him, you're replacing him with a offensive minded head coach with an offense that is one of the league's best.




YAKUZA

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

How about the entire first half of the Panthers game, where despite playing their starters, the Commanders were down 34-0 at halftime.

Perhaps Zorn can work out, but I can't help but think if Al Davis had hired Zorn or Jerry Jones hired Zorn, Skins fans would be laughing at those owners for hiring somebody like Zorn in the fashion they did.

I think we all understand it's preseason, but if you can't be alarmed by such a drubbing in the 3rd week where the Skins played most of their starters, then you have an absurd amount of blind faith. It reminds me of 2006 when the Skins lost to the Pats in the 3rd week of preseason 41-0 and everything was going to still be okay because it was preseason according to Skins fans.






YAKUZA

Of course we were laughing and trying to downplay a move you all were make. Thats just the nature of the beast, it goes the same way with all rivalries. We laughed at you all for hiring an unexperienced coach, and he STILL has more experience than our coach. You all have all the right to laugh at us until we prove something. While the Zorn hiring was unorthodox, it wasn't the first of its kind. Andy Reid was also hired straight out of the holmgren system as a QB coach, and has had pretty decent success since then.

There is no telling what the Zorn "era" (if you want to call it that) is going to bring the Commanders. This last preseason game was absolutly wretched. I mean, we're talking about a divsion I-aa NCAA team being able to come in and get the same, if not a better result. Like someone else above said, yes, it is only preseason. However, on the other hand, this team failed to capture the fundamentals which should have been covered in high school ball (not to mention, were executed in the first three games).

The fact is, no one knows what anyone is going to do at this point. While you can take an estimation from preseason, you can't get the whole picture. Until the skins lay a 34-0 brick on September 4th, I won't freak out. On the other hand, I won't be completly be at ease until then either.

 

[silverbear]

Of course we were laughing and trying to downplay a move you all were make. Thats just the nature of the beast, it goes the same way with all rivalries. We laughed at you all for hiring an unexperienced coach, and he STILL has more experience than our coach. You all have all the right to laugh at us until we prove something. While the Zorn hiring was unorthodox, it wasn't the first of its kind. Andy Reid was also hired straight out of the holmgren system as a QB coach, and has had pretty decent success since then.

There is no telling what the Zorn "era" (if you want to call it that) is going to bring the Commanders. This last preseason game was absolutly wretched. I mean, we're talking about a divsion I-aa NCAA team being able to come in and get the same, if not a better result. Like someone else above said, yes, it is only preseason. However, on the other hand, this team failed to capture the fundamentals which should have been covered in high school ball (not to mention, were executed in the first three games).

The fact is, no one knows what anyone is going to do at this point. While you can take an estimation from preseason, you can't get the whole picture. Until the skins lay a 34-0 brick on September 4th, I won't freak out. On the other hand, I won't be completly be at ease until then either.

C'mon, man, how can we lay smack on you if you're gonna be all humble, and make sense like this?? That's not how the game is played, and you know it...

 

[Sonny#9]

C'mon, man, how can we lay smack on you if you're gonna be all humble, and make sense like this?? That's not how the game is played, and you know it...

You mean like:

Oh, I see, so when Romo god 6-9 for 33 yards, it's just preaseason, but when Campbell goes 6-10 for 39, he's clearly Quincy Carter all over again...and then the Cowboys secondary gets shredded by Cutler and the Broncos, it's only preseason, but when the very solid Skins O-line plays like crap and gets shredded by Peppers and the Panthers, the Skins are heading for an 0-16 season...

You all are such hypocrites...and you're clearly obsessed...

(that better? It's the best I could do -- I can't seem to muster the vitriol this morning!)

 

[Reality]

Of course we were laughing and trying to downplay a move you all were make. Thats just the nature of the beast, it goes the same way with all rivalries. We laughed at you all for hiring an unexperienced coach, and he STILL has more experience than our coach. You all have all the right to laugh at us until we prove something. While the Zorn hiring was unorthodox, it wasn't the first of its kind. Andy Reid was also hired straight out of the holmgren system as a QB coach, and has had pretty decent success since then.

There is no telling what the Zorn "era" (if you want to call it that) is going to bring the Commanders. This last preseason game was absolutly wretched. I mean, we're talking about a divsion I-aa NCAA team being able to come in and get the same, if not a better result. Like someone else above said, yes, it is only preseason. However, on the other hand, this team failed to capture the fundamentals which should have been covered in high school ball (not to mention, were executed in the first three games).

The fact is, no one knows what anyone is going to do at this point. While you can take an estimation from preseason, you can't get the whole picture. Until the skins lay a 34-0 brick on September 4th, I won't freak out. On the other hand, I won't be completly be at ease until then either.

Very well said ..

The truth is that the "its just preseason" excuse is all too common when its your own team (Cowboys in my case), but when its another team, it turns into "a sign of things to come."

There are a lot of factors that fans are not aware of in games. For example, coaches may want to see how the team reacts when they are behind. A game plan may be implemented to test the first stringers ability to execute plays against a 4-3 defense even though the preseason game is against a 3-4 defense because the first game of the year is against a 4-3 defense.

Too many people put weight on the "team's result" rather than the individual players in preseason. I don't care if it the starters are all in, coaches are still looking at each position individually.

For example, let's say your team has a new center .. that one position is responsible for calling the blocking schemes and if that one player performs badly, the entire offense will look overwhelmed and ineffective. It will make the entire offensive line look weak and unable to block anyone which in turn will make the quarterback rush throws and become less accurate.

Like you, the only thing that matters to me is what happens when the season starts. Preseason, at least in my opinion, is nothing but a way to judge individual players. I don't care if we get beat 40-0 or win 40-0 in preseason. If a player plays poorly in both types of games, I'm not happy with that player, rather than the team.

-Reality

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You mean like:

Oh, I see, so when Romo god 6-9 for 33 yards, it's just preaseason, but when Campbell goes 6-10 for 39, he's clearly Quincy Carter all over again...and then the Cowboys secondary gets shredded by Cutler and the Broncos, it's only preseason, but when the very solid Skins O-line plays like crap and gets shredded by Peppers and the Panthers, the Skins are heading for an 0-16 season...

You all are such hypocrites...and you're clearly obsessed...

(that better? It's the best I could do -- I can't seem to muster the vitriol this morning!)

There's a difference between "being shredded" to giving up 14 points in a half to giving up 34 points in the first half. And there's a difference between going 6-10 for 39 yards with 4 sacks and a fumble and going 6-9 for 33 yards with zero sacks and zero fumbles.

Both can be considered bad, but one is catostrophically bad and the other isn't out of the realm of normal preseason play for any team.

You're really comparing apples to oranges, with the only caveat being that it is preseason and neither mean nothing in the win loss column. And you can best believe there would be an absolute meltdown if Dallas lost 47-3 in preseason. Hell, there were fans throwing in the towel here when they were down 14-7 to the Broncos at the half.







YAKUZA

 

[kapolani]

There's a difference between "being shredded" to giving up 14 points in a half to giving up 34 points in the first half. And there's a difference between going 6-10 for 39 yards with 4 sacks and a fumble and going 6-9 for 33 yards with zero sacks and zero fumbles.

^^ This

 

[silverbear]

You mean like:

Oh, I see, so when Romo god 6-9 for 33 yards, it's just preaseason, but when Campbell goes 6-10 for 39, he's clearly Quincy Carter all over again...

Actually, I said after the Broncos game that I was a wee bit concerned that there might be something wrong with Tony, based on how ineffective he was that game, and the reports of how ineffective he was in the joint practices with the Broncos that week... so I was naturally relieved when he bounced back with a solid game against the Texans...

So there goes that theory...

and then the Cowboys secondary gets shredded by Cutler and the Broncos, it's only preseason, but when the very solid Skins O-line plays like crap and gets shredded by Peppers and the Panthers, the Skins are heading for an 0-16 season...

Don't recall saying anything about the Skins going 0-16... beyond that, to compare the "shredding" that the Broncos did to the Cowboys to the old-fashioned butt-whipping the Panthers put on the Skins is quite laughable...

The Boys got beat 23-13, and were outgained 354 yards to 324 yards... some "shredding"... the Skins got beat 47-3, and were outgained 402 yards to 208 yards... and FWIW, that loss by the Boys promoted a level of hysterical overreaction by SOME fans in here...

You all are such hypocrites...and you're clearly obsessed...

Naw, I just enjoy it when you Skins fans start gettin' full of yourselves, then get smacked back to reality...

 

[DCBoysfan]

Naw, I just enjoy it when you Skins fans start gettin' full of yourselves, then get smacked back to reality...

Me too

 

[Sonny#9]

Naw, I just enjoy it when you Skins fans start gettin' full of yourselves, then get smacked back to reality...

Kind of like the way you feel come December?

(P.S. Just so anyone doesn't take it the wrong way -- this is all in good fun, as was my previous post!)

 

[the_h0wey]

Let's see I don't think you can accurately evaluate the Cowboys Secondary when we started a Rookie in Mike Jenkens opposite our #2 or arguably soon to be #3 Corner in Anthony Henry. That game we didnt play Adam Jones with the first team, and Terrence Newman our #1 CB (and probowler) sat out do to injury...

Even with all that we in NO way got torched...