Exuberant

[Doomsday101]

Now you sound like Jerry Jones promoting his three ring circus.

It gets confusing around here, it is Jerry Jones or Stephen and McClay? It seems when there are doubt or failure it was Jerry. Should these prospect produce will Jerry get any credit for it? That seldom happens here. lol

 

[CCBoy]

It gets confusing around here, it is Jerry Jones or Stephen and McClay? It seems when there are doubt or failure it was Jerry. Should these prospect produce will Jerry get any credit for it? That seldom happens here. lol

Myself, I like Jerry & Stephen...and his staff that has developed a very solid roster.

 

[JoeKing]

I'm beginning to believe there is an agenda behind your trolling here...have I offended you somewhere else? Because until this thread, I don't recall ever debating with you before, but there certainly seems to be a degree of dislike behind your contributions here and for the life me I haven't the slightest idea what I said or did to hurt your feelings.

Why does my observation offend you so? Jerry is a HoF'er, so why is sounding like him such a bad thing? Seems to me you're looking for offense where there is none. I don't share your exuberance but I do see the wheels spinning in a positive direction. Peace and goodwill fellow Cowboys fan... I think we now have a special team.

 

[Doomsday101]

Myself, I like Jerry & Stephen...and his staff that has developed a very solid roster.

As do I. This does not mean I have not disagreed on moves that have been made in the past or that I will not agree with things that could happen in the future. My dismay is with those who love you use Jerry as the whipping boy. Any players who fail be it draft pick or FA that is lumped on Jerry but as soon as a player proves they are a quality player Jerry all of a sudden had nothing to do with it and it was someone else. All I can say is every pick and every FA are on the team because Jerry gave approval for it to happen. So blame him when they fail just give credit when they prove themselves.

 

[jday]

We could debate about being “In their Prime” for some however in 2007 Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff and Newman IMO were in their prime.

Equally regarding injuries you’re hoping Lee (last year his only fully healthy one) and Smith (still not fully healthy) are going to be the driving force behind our resurgence.

However my main concern about the future is the window we have with Dak.

At the moment he’s as “cheap as chips” salary wise which allows us more freedom to build a team around him.

However if he keeps his current trajectory as a player then I think we only have two more years before we have to pay him (I don’t see them letting him get to his 4th year before the “re-up”).

If we don’t play our cards correctly in the next two years then that advantage is gone.

Now that doesn’t mean we still can’t win it all but it will be more difficult. Just look at Seattle since Wilson got paid.

I can certainly understand your point of view on this. Due to what you mentioned about Dak's next contract, the next 4 years are critical.

As for Jaylon and Sean, I believe they are the most obvious choices for defensive leaders. They have exhibited both the ability and the charisma to be leaders. The next vital ingredient, is back your words up with play. Lee has done that. I am projecting once Smith is healthy, he too, will do that. The question for him is when?

I think the offense will be good enough regardless of what happens, so everything hinges on the defense, and by extension Jaylon and Sean. But that's just my two-cents. A leader could emerge from anywhere....

 

[JoeKing]

As do I. This does not mean I have not disagreed on moves that have been made in the past or that I will not agree with things that could happen in the future. My dismay is with those who love you use Jerry as the whipping boy. Any players who fail be it draft pick or FA that is lumped on Jerry but as soon as a player proves they are a quality player Jerry all of a sudden had nothing to do with it and it was someone else. All I can say is every pick and every FA are on the team because Jerry gave approval for it to happen. So blame him when they fail just give credit when they prove themselves.

Jerry seldom makes an independent decision for this franchise that turns out to be good. He had Jimmy in the early days and now that Stephen has more influence, Jerry has Will McClay. Jerry gets credit for small things like promoting Stephen, hiring Jimmy but what has he done in the last five seasons that was all his and truly made a positive contribution? Not drafting Johnny Football? Thank you Stephen. The Star in Frisco? Thank you Stephen, again. Hiring Will McClay... no that was also Stephen Jones. The old man is irrelevant and it's now Stephen making the difference to this team with Will's help.

 

[waldoputty]

I can certainly understand your point of view on this. Due to what you mentioned about Dak's next contract, the next 4 years are critical.

As for Jaylon and Sean, I believe they are the most obvious choices for defensive leaders. They have exhibited both the ability and the charisma to be leaders. The next vital ingredient, is back your words up with play. Lee has done that. I am projecting once Smith is healthy, he too, will do that. The question for him is when?

I think the offense will be good enough regardless of what happens, so everything hinges on the defense, and by extension Jaylon and Sean. But that's just my two-cents. A leader could emerge from anywhere....

kudos to you for the ability to maintain a thread on optimism or not for 4 pages

 

[jday]

Why does my observation offend you so? Jerry is a HoF'er, so why is sounding like him such a bad thing? Seems to me you're looking for offense where there is none. I don't share your exuberance but I do see the wheels spinning in a positive direction. Peace and goodwill fellow Cowboys fan... I think we now have a special team.

Not offended in the least...just seemed like when you said, "Now you sound like Jerry Jones promoting his three ring circus," you intended insult, because Jerry Jones doesn't even own a circus to my knowledge.

 

[jday]

Jerry seldom makes an independent decision for this franchise that turns out to be good. He had Jimmy in the early days and now that Stephen has more influence, Jerry has Will McClay. Jerry gets credit for small things like promoting Stephen, hiring Jimmy but what has he done in the last five seasons that was all his and truly made a positive contribution? Not drafting Johnny Football? Thank you Stephen. The Star in Frisco? Thank you Stephen, again. Hiring Will McClay... no that was also Stephen Jones. The old man is irrelevant and it's now Stephen making the difference to this team with Will's help.

Didn't you just attempt to make me feel good about being likened to Jerry?

 

[Doomsday101]

Jerry seldom makes an independent decision for this franchise that turns out to be good. He had Jimmy in the early days and now that Stephen has more influence, Jerry has Will McClay. Jerry gets credit for small things like promoting Stephen, hiring Jimmy but what has he done in the last five seasons that was all his and truly made a positive contribution? Not drafting Johnny Football? Thank you Stephen. The Star in Frisco? Thank you Stephen, again. Hiring Will McClay... no that was also Stephen Jones. The old man is irrelevant and it's now Stephen making the difference to this team with Will's help.

according to those who work under him past and present have said Jerry seeks the advice of others, he is not going out and making picks on his own. Now that does not get him off the hook for bad picks or FA after all he is the final word, if McClay and Stephen are high on a pick it is still Jerry who gives approval of the pick. As far as Manziel Jerry may have liked him and it took others within the organization to say they felt different but in the end Jerry has final say. BP when he was here has said Jerry listens to those around him even when he and BP did not agree like in the case of drafted Ware ahead of Spencer whom Ireland lobby for over BP. Jerry expect people to give views then to support their views as to why this player over another player.

I make no excuses for Jerry my comments are those who go out of their way to discredit Jerry on quality picks and only blame Jerry for those who fail.

 

[JoeKing]

Not offended in the least...just seemed like when you said, "Now you sound like Jerry Jones promoting his three ring circus," you intended insult, because Jerry Jones doesn't even own a circus to my knowledge.

In the years of planning for Jerryworld, he most certainly entertained the idea that a Cowboys game should be more than just a football game. His vision was to create the atmosphere for an event that transcends attending any other sporting event. Reminiscent of PT Barnum's intentions to host the "greatest show on earth". Jerry fancied himself as the ringmaster of Jerryworld. But that was then and has since then wised up and allowed others such as Stephan to call the shots.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I agree about being on the cusp of greatness. Just not certain it will be this season. But unless there is a catastrophe on the horizon, I believe this team will post multiple championships in the next 6 years. My feeling is three.

I don't know about "being on the cusp of greatness" but I do believe we are building a team that will be consistent. And maybe somewhere in there they learn to win and compete for the big prize. I know we are building a team of RKOG but I want to sprinkle in a few edgy players as well, a Ruben Foster type. That brings it with some nastiness. Create a competitive culture where it doesn't matter where you are drafted, everyone fights for a starting job.

 

[JoeKing]

Didn't you just attempt to make me feel good about being likened to Jerry?

Yes, the Jerry we have now is wiser... but he was not always so.

 

[JoeKing]

according to those who work under him past and present have said Jerry seeks the advice of others, he is not going out and making picks on his own. Now that does not get him off the hook for bad picks or FA after all he is the final word, if McClay and Stephen are high on a pick it is still Jerry who gives approval of the pick. As far as Manziel Jerry may have liked him and it took others within the organization to say they felt different but in the end Jerry has final say. BP when he was here has said Jerry listens to those around him even when he and BP did not agree like in the case of drafted Ware ahead of Spencer whom Ireland lobby for over BP. Jerry expect people to give views then to support their views as to why this player over another player.

I make no excuses for Jerry my comments are those who go out of their way to discredit Jerry on quality picks and only blame Jerry for those who fail.

The old man listens to the man(McClay) Stephen hired to advice them... good for the old man.

 

[DC Cowboy]

In the years of planning for Jerryworld, he most certainly entertained the idea that a Cowboys game should be more than just a football game. His vision was to create the atmosphere for an event that transcends attending any other sporting event. Reminiscent of PT Barnum's intentions to host the "greatest show on earth". Jerry fancied himself as the ringmaster of Jerryworld. But that was then and has since then wised up and allowed others such as Stephan to call the shots.

Keep in mind you have to do some of this to keep folks coming to the game, win or lose. I lot of folks rather stay at home so you have to create an environment to attract fans. Jerry has a team that has more fans than any other team. I live in the DC metro area and flew down last year for the Ravens and Skins game. Some of it was to see my Boys but I also wanted to see AT&T Stadium and the Star. Take in the whole experience that is the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[JoeKing]

Keep in mind you have to do some of this to keep folks coming to the game, win or lose. I lot of folks rather stay at home so you have to create an environment to attract fans. Jerry has a team that has more fans than any other team. I live in the DC metro area and flew down last year for the Ravens and Skins game. Some of it was to see my Boys but I also wanted to see AT&T Stadium and the Star. Take in the whole experience that is the Dallas Cowboys.

I agree with you but it should still be a family friendly event. I knew Jerry had gone too far when I saw the scantly clad go-go dancers in cages at the games. Visions of Sodom and Gomorrah came to mind and I worried what was next.

 

[Doomsday101]

The old man listens to the man(McClay) Stephen hired to advice them... good for the old man.

Jerry hired McClay, unless Stephen is paying him with his own cash. The old man owns the team and Stephen works for his father. Yes any owner or GM listens to those within an organization. No one man runs the entire show. Even Jimmy brought with him his old buddy Larry Lacewell when he came to Dallas.

 

[JoeKing]

Jerry hired McClay, unless Stephen is paying him with his own cash. The old man owns the team and Stephen works for his father. Yes any owner or GM listens to those within an organization. No one man runs the entire show. Even Jimmy brought with him his old buddy Larry Lacewell when he came to Dallas.

Stephen made the decision to promote Will McClay. Stephen is part owner as well so it's not all Jerry's money.

 

[Doomsday101]

Stephen made the decision to promote Will McClay. Stephen is part owner as well so it's not all Jerry's money.

all moves are approved by Jones and Stephen has said it as well. You can dislike Jerry all you want but he is the boss, he is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. When a player bust hey blame Jerry but this BS of picking and choosing what picks are Jerry and what picks belong to someone else all based on how the player produces is a fricken joke

 

[JoeKing]

all moves are approved by Jones and Stephen has said it as well. You can dislike Jerry all you want but he is the boss, he is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. When a player bust hey blame Jerry but this BS of picking and choosing what picks are Jerry and what picks belong to someone else all based on how the player produces is a fricken joke

They appease the old man to give him the illusion of still being in control. When a player busts? Give us a name before we get into this argument.