Ezekiel Elliott vs Lamar Miller

[Zordon]

Overall, I'm pleased with the draft but the debate between these two players is still bothering. I'm not confident that the Cowboys allocated their resources properly here. We could have had Lamar Miller for less money and used the 4th pick somewhere else, most likely on Ramsey. Granted, Miller is a few years older but he's a known commodity and also considered a "complete back" just like Elliott. We all agree that both players would improve our run game from last year but is the difference between Elliott and Miller worth a Jalen Ramsey and $11 million dollars? What do you guys think? I don't have a strong stance on this so I'm open to some convincing.

Elliott (21 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$25 million (fully guaranteed)

or

Miller (25 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$26 million (14M guaranteed) + Jalen Ramsey or another player at #4

 

[zrinkill]

Zeke is 20 ........

NOW WHERES YOUR LOGIC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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[Risen Star]

Zordon. Bro.

There's still time to delete this thread.

 

[Idgit]

Give me the defender in the draft.

Though I didn't want to commit that money to Miller, either.

 

[Zordon]

Zeke is 20 ........

NOW WHERES YOUR LOGIC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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He'll be 21 when the season starts.

 

[Risen Star]

Elliott is an elite back. Like Peterson/Gurley good.

Lamar Miller has been an okay player. Why this board Elvised out on him I have no idea. My brother is a Dolphins fan who would usually whine if they lost a good player. He doesn't even care about Miller.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Personally, I would prefer Miller and Ramsey (and a RB picked later in the draft), but it's over. I'm moving on.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Overall, I'm pleased with the draft but the debate between these two players is still bothering. I'm not confident that the Cowboys allocated their resources properly here. We could have had Lamar Miller for less money and used the 4th pick somewhere else, most likely on Ramsey. Granted, Miller is a few years older but he's a known commodity and also considered a "complete back" just like Elliott. We all agree that both players would improve our run game from last year but is the difference between Elliott and Miller worth a Jalen Ramsey and $11 million dollars? What do you guys think? I don't have a strong stance on this so I'm open to some convincing.

Elliott (21 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$25 million (fully guaranteed)

or

Miller (25 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$26 million (14M guaranteed) + Jalen Ramsey or another player at #4

That's $50M with Miller and Ramsey, plus Ramsey wouldn't produce anything with no defensive front. Elliot >>>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey + Miller.

 

[zrinkill]

He'll be 21 when the season starts.

Damn your evil logic!!!!!

 

[speedkilz88]

First of all the contract for EE you have is slightly high. The qbs last year did not even get 25 million.
EE should get a little more than Amari Cooper did last season. And I also don't know if they were willing to pay a Miller 26 million and a rookie at 4 another 23 million in the draft. That could have created repercussions involving future OL extensions. I also doubt they feel Miller is in the same league as EE. Miller is not considered a special back.

Amari Cooper
4 years, $22.7M; $14.8M signing bonus

 

[Risen Star]

What we're fixing to see with Zeke is Tony Dorsett. Emmitt Smith.

Scoff if you want but he has the ability and the Cowboys wouldn't have taken him that high if they weren't expecting greatness.

 

[gimmesix]

Overall, I'm pleased with the draft but the debate between these two players is still bothering. I'm not confident that the Cowboys allocated their resources properly here. We could have had Lamar Miller for less money and used the 4th pick somewhere else, most likely on Ramsey. Granted, Miller is a few years older but he's a known commodity and also considered a "complete back" just like Elliott. We all agree that both players would improve our run game from last year but is the difference between Elliott and Miller worth a Jalen Ramsey and $11 million dollars? What do you guys think? I don't have a strong stance on this so I'm open to some convincing.

Elliott (21 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$25 million (fully guaranteed)

or

Miller (25 yrs old) - 4 yrs/$26 million (14M guaranteed) + Jalen Ramsey or another player at #4

Wouldn't be nothing wrong with that other than the fact that Miller chose the Texans. If we had bid more for him, no telling how high the offer would have been or even if he would have chosen us.

Second, while Miller is good, Elliott is expected to be great. We don't know if he will, but that's what Dallas was betting on. If Elliott isn't better than Miller for the length of the contract, then we didn't make a good choice.

 

[jazzcat22]

Can people jsut get over all this value and use of resources crap. It will not change the fact we got the best value because we got the best player.
Money is not the issue here...it is producing points that will help produce wins.

Ok, look,at it this way....you can spend $5 on a fantastic hamburger...or you can spend $1 on a good McDonalds hamburger....but which hamburger will you tell your friends about....

If someone said they will pay for that hamburger for you, which one would you choose.

 

[Zordon]

Elliott is an elite back. Like Peterson/Gurley good.

Lamar Miller has been an okay player. Why this board Elvised out on him I have no idea. My brother is a Dolphins fan who would usually whine if they lost a good player. He doesn't even care about Miller.

Miller has 19 tds the last 2 years. That's pretty damn good considering he only gets about 200 carries a year.

That being said, I won't argue that Elliott is the superior back. But I do think it's fair to ask if he improves an already decent run game significantly more than Miller that you're willing to sacrifice Ramsey.

 

[Risen Star]

Can people jsut get over all this value and use of resources crap.

You want us to talk draft without mentioning the "crap" that is value and use of resources?

Okay but in the fall can we talk football without mentioning offense or defense?

 

[Zordon]

First of all the contract for EE you have is slightly high. The qbs last year did not even get 25 million.
EE should get a little more than Amari Cooper did last season. And I also don't know if they were willing to pay a Miller 26 million and a rookie at 4 another 23 million in the draft. That could have created repercussions involving future OL extensions. I also doubt they feel Miller is in the same league as EE. Miller is not considered a special back.

Amari Cooper
4 years, $22.7M; $14.8M signing bonus

The estimated four-year contract values for the 2016 NFL Draft first-round picks (with Forbes first, spotrac.com second and overthecap.com third):

• 1. Jared Goff, Rams: $27,946,656 / $27,937,673 / $27,937,672
• 2. Carson Wentz, Eagles: $26,685,484 / $26,676,338 / $26,676,338
• 3. Joey Bosa, Chargers: $25,882,931 / $25,873,685 / $25,873,672
• 4. Ezekiel Elliott, Cowboys: $24,965,720 /$24,956,341 / $24,956,342

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/04/2016_nfl_draft_how_much_each_f.html

 

[Alexander]

Bad thread. Bad, bad, bad.

 

[jazzcat22]

You want us to talk draft without mentioning the "crap" that is value and use of resources?

Okay but in the fall can we talk football without mentioning offense or defense?

Yes...lol...

 

[Risen Star]

Miller has 19 tds the last 2 years. That's pretty damn good considering he only gets about 200 carries a year.

That being said, I won't argue that Elliott is the superior back. But I do think it's fair to ask if he improves an already decent run game significantly more than Miller that you're willing to sacrifice Ramsey.

LOL. You are sooooo talking to the wrong guy here. I'm willing to sacrifice Ramsey for the best punter.

Barring injury, Ezekiel Elliott will be on of the top 3 backs in the game over the next 10 years. Something the Cowboys can build their offense around for Romo and the next QB.

 

[Vero_F250]

What people keep forgetting to mention with all this "we coulda had Miller" talk is that he actually has a decision on where he wanted to sign! So while Dallas COULD have signed Miller he chose Houston. Put these threads to rest.