Falcons release Mike Vick

[JoeyBones31]

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We, as Americans hunt for sport. Ducks, Deer, etc...

We, especially me, like our meat. Give me a good 'ole burger, and I'm happy. (except McDonalds... bleah)

Other cultures, perfer to eat dogs. That's just the way it is.

Mike Vick commited a crime. He went to jail.

But please, spare the moral outrage as you cry over Snoopy while eating your Double Bacon Cheese Burger with a side dish of Chili.

That's the difference between you and I, I eat meat, (Cows,) I never had the urge to eat my dog, cat, parrot or ferret. Besides I don't hunt anything for the pleasure of killing.

Yes, it's true some cultures eat dogs, as ignorant as that maybe, it's wrong , dogs are pets, part of a family, your family. so using "Snoopy" as you put it to hone the skills of another animal to kill other dogs is just like pulling the trigger and killing a defenseless human himself.

But again, it seems your culture affords you to be ignorant like those people who actually eat dogs and cats. I feel sorrow for you pal.

Mine is more of a civilized culture, I eat the flesh of animals that were intended on this earth to be used as nourishment to human survival, (Cows, Chicken, Turkey) I don't use those animals to gain financial stability or personal satisfaction by slaughtering them for the pleasure of it. .

Seems your just a little mixed up in your analogy of being humane and civil.

But enjoy "Fido" with a side of "Garfield" , if that's what floats your boat. Bon Appetite ! :

 

[Doomsday101]

stop saying that I said they do

good lord man, did you even read what I said, or you just interpreted it how you like so you could go on some tangent completely unrelated to my point?

there is no reason to keep him out of the league

him playing again will help him pay his debts

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED

I don't care about his debts what does that have to do with anything.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I don't care about his debts what does that have to do with anything.

Shows how stupid Vick is. He has severe debt and is on the brink of severe bankruptcy but he still wants to have million dollar homes and drive luxury vehicles.

 

[Doomsday101]

Shows how stupid Vick is. He has severe debt and is on the brink of severe bankruptcy but he still wants to have million dollar homes and drive luxury vehicles.

What is funny is most people will say he deserves a chance but not on my team. Public relations is a big deal in the NFL and while it may sound strange when it comes to people and the killing of animals most in this country are not very tolerant of that kind of act. Hell he could have sold cocaine and many would not have an issue with bring him in but when it comes to a cruel behavior you will find a lot less people willing to defend or stand up for that guy.

 

[JoeyBones31]

cannon arm----A(you left that one out for some reason)

He is or was a mediocre QB, however, I never disputed that fact. I said with peyton mannings brain he could have revolutionized the game.

and in case you really wanted to be a stickler, even with all that you listed if he had spent the time working on his accuracy it would have improved.

so that would be

cannon arm---A
passing accuracy---B(let's not split hairs here)
Scrambling ability---A


those three alone make him a good to great QB, because the way those three could tie together would be pretty hard to stop.

and you are trying to use facts to argue a hypothetical.

There is no argument intended, I'm simply giving my "opinion" to as to a players ability to guide a team in battle as the QB, As far as rocket arm that's terrific, but having a "rocket arm" without the ability to control where your throwing it is like having a Ferrari in the garage and no gas to put in it.

If he hasn't gained that attribute by now, he'll never get it. But here's some food for thought,
"Nothing destroys an opinion like the facts"

I say mediocre , you say great, but I have seen many players in my over 20 years of coaching at the HS level, and at that age, they have a shot at developing an accurate arm, but not at the point in Vicks "career", his ship has sailed.

The proof will be in the pudding when and "IF" he ever gets back on the field in the pros.

Watch and witness it for yourself, you'll be amazed on how I actually know a little something about this game.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What is funny is most people will say he deserves a chance but not on my team. Public relations is a big deal in the NFL and while it may sound strange when it comes to people and the killing of animals most in this country are not very tolerant of that kind of act. Hell he could have sold cocaine and many would not have an issue with bring him in but when it comes to a cruel behavior you will find a lot less people willing to defend or stand up for that guy.

As much as I want to believe that he's merely a 'product of his environment' and that he has 'found Jesus' after this incident - I show no sympathy for him.

Instead of setting up and organized and lucrative dog fighting industry in his back yard maybe he should have worked on his accuracy and studying game film. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Doomsday101]

As much as I want to believe that he's merely a 'product of his environment' and that he has 'found Jesus' after this incident - I show no sympathy for him.

Instead of setting up and organized and lucrative dog fighting industry in his back yard maybe he should have worked on his accuracy and studying game film. Stupid is as stupid does.

Well as adults we make our own choices and have to live with the consequesnse of our actions and the choices we make. I do think somewhere along the line the NFL will reinstate him and someone will bring him in and take a look at him and if it does not work out then there is always the CFL. Like you I'm not sympathetic to his situation

 

[DallasEast]

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[Four]

There is no argument intended, I'm simply giving my "opinion" to as to a players ability to guide a team in battle as the QB, As far as rocket arm that's terrific, but having a "rocket arm" without the ability to control where your throwing it is like having a Ferrari in the garage and no gas to put in it.

If he hasn't gained that attribute by now, he'll never get it. But here's some food for thought,
"Nothing destroys an opinion like the facts"

I say mediocre , you say great, but I have seen many players in my over 20 years of coaching at the HS level, and at that age, they have a shot at developing an accurate arm, but not at the point in Vicks "career", his ship has sailed.

The proof will be in the pudding when and "IF" he ever gets back on the field in the pros.

Watch and witness it for yourself, you'll be amazed on how I actually know a little something about this game.

he has already proven he won't put in the work, he won't ever be more than what he already was.

Potential to be more isn't something that can be disproved.

 

[Four]

I don't care about his debts what does that have to do with anything.

if he doesn't pay his debts one way or another we will.

he needs to pay his debts, there is no rational reason to keep him out of the league.

With his salary he could pay some of his debts.

and the " I wouldn't want him on my team" thing that you think is so funny, isn't all that funny for the cowboys, we went through a crappy season last year because of low character guys. Your perspective on things is pretty skewed to suit whatever argument you are trying to make.

 

[Doomsday101]

if he doesn't pay his debts one way or another we will.

he needs to pay his debts, there is no rational reason to keep him out of the league.

With his salary he could pay some of his debts.

and the " I wouldn't want him on my team" thing that you think is so funny, isn't all that funny for the cowboys, we went through a crappy season last year because of low character guys. Your perspective on things is pretty skewed to suit whatever argument you are trying to make.

I don't care about his debt that is not a reason to have him play or not, you don't get it his debt is his it has nothing to do with anyone but Mike Vick, you act like that is the big reason he should be allowed to play that is complete non sense.

As I said the league may very well reinstate him however they will not reinstate him because he owes money that is not going to be a consideration abiding by the probation he has received will be the big factor after that you still need a team who is willing to take the public relations hit and bring him in. If it does not work out here then he can go to the CFL.


You think my perspective is skewed you want to play because he owes money but you don't want him to play in Dallas? What a hypocrite he should play but not for us someone else should bite the bullet and take the public relations hit because well Vick owes money.

 

[Four]

I don't care about his debt that is not a reason to have him play or not, you don't get it his debt is his it has nothing to do with anyone but Mike Vick, you act like that is the big reason he should be allowed to play that is complete non sense.

As I said the league may very well reinstate him however they will not reinstate him because he owes money that is not going to be a consideration abiding by the probation he has received will be the big factor after that you still need a team who is willing to take the public relations hit and bring him in. If it does not work out here then he can go to the CFL.


You think my perspective is skewed you want to play because he owes money but you don't want him to play in Dallas? What a hypocrite he should play but not for us someone else should bite the bullet and take the public relations hit because well Vick owes money.

if not for last years circus I would be all for giving the guy a chance.

For this team it would be more trouble than it is worth, keep on laughing but you aren't looking at things clearly. No I don't want him on the cowboys because we already shot ourselves in the foot last year and bringing him in would undo any and all "changes" we made in the off season.

that's not hypocritical it's realistic about this team and this team only.

dude you troll a whole lot, seriously.

I don't think the taxes play into his getting to play, but him paying his debt is an obvious benefit of him playing.

Where are you getting confused, because honestly I am tired of you twisting my words into something I am not saying.

matter of fact, nevermind, I am putting you on ignore because it's clear you don't want to have a rational discussion you just want to troll with some nonsense.

I will be much better off not reading your bs.

 

[Doomsday101]

if not for last years circus I would be all for giving the guy a chance.

For this team it would be more trouble than it is worth, keep on laughing but you aren't looking at things clearly. No I don't want him on the cowboys because we already shot ourselves in the foot last year and bringing him in would undo any and all "changes" we made in the off season.

that's not hypocritical it's realistic about this team and this team only.

dude you troll a whole lot, seriously.

I don't think the taxes play into his getting to play, but him paying his debt is an obvious benefit of him playing.

Where are you getting confused, because honestly I am tired of you twisting my words into something I am not saying.

matter of fact, nevermind, I am putting you on ignore because it's clear you don't want to have a rational discussion you just want to troll with some nonsense.

I will be much better off not reading your bs.

I'm a troll because i disagree with you? OK

 

[Four]

I'm a troll because i disagree with you? OK

you are a troll because you insist on putting words in my mouth I didn't say

I have clarified my statement more than once and you refuse to acknowledge it.

you called me a hypocrit and have repeatedly made fun of me for a point I never made.

that makes you a troll

stop putting words in my mouth and actually deal with what I said and not with what you want me to mean.

Then you will cease to be troll.

That you either won't admit that's what you are doing or are unaware that's what you are doing proves that you belong on ignore. Which is where you will stay. learn to read and not interpret however you like and then maybe you will be worth a debate. Doubt that will ever happen though.

yes or no a benefit of vick being back in the league is he could pay his debts-yes, there is no other answer but yes. It's a black and white issue with no gray area at all, and one you can't wrap your head around because you think I am saying he deserves to be back in the league so he can pay his debts, which I am not saying. But you can't get your head around it, or you are a trolling. And I know you are trolling.

Other point was he did his time and should be allowed to play in the league. That point is one that might be debatable, but you aren't debating that, you are calling me a hypcrite for not wanting him on the cowboys, which has nothing to do with anything. Again you are being a troll.

I spelled it out again, and it went right over your head again I am sure.

So do me a favor and pretend I don't post anymore, because from this moment forward I am going to be doing that for you. :bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

you are a troll because you insist on putting words in my mouth I didn't say

I have clarified my statement more than once and you refuse to acknowledge it.

you called me a hypocrit and have repeatedly made fun of me for a point I never made.

that makes you a troll

stop putting words in my mouth and actually deal with what I said and not with what you want me to mean.

Then you will cease to be troll.

That you either won't admit that's what you are doing or are unaware that's what you are doing proves that you belong on ignore. Which is where you will stay. learn to read and not interpret however you like and then maybe you will be worth a debate. Doubt that will ever happen though.

yes or no a benefit of vick being back in the league is he could pay his debts-yes, there is no other answer but yes. It's a black and white issue with no gray area at all, and one you can't wrap your head around because you think I am saying he deserves to be back in the league so he can pay his debts, which I am not saying. But you can't get your head around it, or you are a trolling. And I know you are trolling.

Other point was he did his time and should be allowed to play in the league. That point is one that might be debatable, but you aren't debating that, you are calling me a hypcrite for not wanting him on the cowboys, which has nothing to do with anything. Again you are being a troll.

I spelled it out again, and it went right over your head again I am sure.

So do me a favor and pretend I don't post anymore, because from this moment forward I am going to be doing that for you. :bang2:

I understand if he is allowed back that he could take care of his debt do you understand I don't care about Vick debt it mean absolutely nothing to me that is Vick problem do you get that? I'm not putting words in your mouth you keep talking about Vick debt and how if allowed back he could pay that off, so what. That is not going over my head

"Other point was he did his time and should be allowed to play in the league. That point is one that might be debatable, but you aren't debating that, you are calling me a hypcrite for not wanting him on the cowboys, which has nothing to do with anything."

I have said chances are he will be allowed back into the league it may be after his probation is complete I don't know but I have said I think the league will end up allowing him back. I have also said that any team willing to take him could face a negative publicity they do not want to deal with so even if the league allows him back there could be very few out there who even want him and yes I do find it hypocritical to talk about reinstating him as long as it someone else’s problem not ours as if any other team wants the bad publicity

I have also said the CFL could end up being an option for him.

Lastly if you want to put me on ignore that is your choice I'm not being a troll I give my honest opinion if some do not like it fine we all do not see things the same way which is why I have never felt the need to put anyone on ignore around here because I can deal with the fact we do not all agree

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Of course Vick did his time. Of course people have honest differences of opinions regarding his actions. The problem for the league and Vick, is that an unknown but no doubt sizeable percentage of NFL fans consider Vick and his actions morally repugnant. He has his defenders, here and elsewhere, of course, but the average rage factor of his defenders is not nearly as high as that of his opponents. In short, the NFL earns more points for keeping him out than letting him back in.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't think the league is required, or should be required, to let him back in the league just because he's drowning in a debt that he created for himself.

So he's got debts? Boohoo. I don't care about his little problems because he brought those on himself.

Any problems he's having, financially, from this dog fighting thing are of his own doing and I have no sympathy for him on.

I hope he's learned his lesson, I hope he's truly sorry, and I hope the time in jail opened his eyes and did him some good. I hope the guy finds a way to go on with his life, rather it be in the NFL or not, but, no, I don't think it's the requirement of the league to allow him to play just because he's done his time and has debts to pay.

If they suspended him for life I wouldn't feel one bit sorry for him because he brought it all on himself.

 

[DFWJC]

I have also said the CFL could end up being an option for him.

I don't have an answer to all of this and will just sit back and see how it plays out.

The CFL options does seem like it could be vioable for many reason (some already stated).
**It makes an NFL penalty viable-which would slightly appease some of of the critques (though some nuts could not be appeased even if he were put to death, imo).
**It gives the public a chance to see how he handles himself outside of jail and the NFL for a year or more. That further helps appeae a few more.
**It allows him to earn a living at something he knows how to do. I understand that is a privilege.
**It allows him to knock some rust off and get his legs under him while allowing NFL teams to appraise his declining value.

So yes, the CFL it is a real option...imo.