FAN 105.3FM: Coaches/GMs rank NFL QBs. (Dak in Tier 2, 9th overall)

[VaqueroTD]

Sando has been doing this for several years. Gets private opinions from those who know, and ranks by tiers from their results.

Fun video to watch. Well thought out. Article he references in video is on link. Dak was ranked 9th overall By GM, Coaches.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5715508/2024/08/26/nfl-qb-rankings-2024-patrick-mahomes/



Quick Recap:

• Dak is poster child for Tier 2. Been ranked there in NFL for last few years.
• NFL thinks Rodgers lost a step
• Many voters want to rank Lamar in first tier but don’t think good enough passer
• NFL execs/coaches raving about Stroud
• Worried Jerry has set the team up to fail with lame ducks, seems to welcome the chaos
• Impressed with way Dak has handled contract situation and himself in general. Other QBs don’t do that. Taken for granted.
• Tier 3 QBs, many of them have had huge contracts. Teams may have overspent.
• Jalen Hurts, conversation more negative now. Admire him, think wired right, but they realize he has limitations and has wrong OC with Kellen Moore who likes to pass often.

Tier 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen

Tier 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure-passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, Rodgers, Stroud, Dak, Goff, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Love

Tier 3
A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.
Tua, Lawrence, Murray, Watson, Mayfield, Carr, G Smith, Wilson

Tier 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.
Daniel Jones and remainders

 

[starfan1]

I didn’t listen to it but reading your summary of it I would only have Mahomes in tier 1 and maybe burrow not sure Allen wouldn’t also be in tier 1

He has great physical tools but can be counted on to throw picks

I think if burrow had better line he’d already have a ring still can believe we beat him in cincy but our D was on point that day

Have no problem with our qb ranking he fluctuates between 5-10

 

[DogFace]

Seems pretty right to me. We can win it all with a tier 2 guy with a good defense.

Lb’s have potential to be FAR better (I’d say they are now)
Diggs is back
Parsons will begin to peak.


I’d say we’re in for a big season that will surprise some that haven’t gotten over the loss last year.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I'd rate Dak as a Tier three QB....

 

[Redline360]

Only tier 1 quarterbacks I would say for certain would be Mahomes and Burrow. Allen is to inconsistent in my opinion. He shows flashes of it constantly but can turn into a turn over machine. Burrow behind a better OL would be even more scary.

Tier 2 has a wide range of quarterbacks. You could almost break that down multiple tiers in its self

 

[VaqueroTD]

I didn’t listen to it but reading your summary of it I would only have Mahomes in tier 1 and maybe burrow not sure Allen wouldn’t also be in tier 1

He has great physical tools but can be counted on to throw picks

I think if burrow had better line he’d already have a ring still can believe we beat him in cincy but our D was on point that day

Have no problem with our qb ranking he fluctuates between 5-10

Don’t disagree with you fellas saying Allen too turnover prone to be tier one.

Ironically, In video, says most pushback he got from other sports media was that they didn’t think Burrow should be tier one because of recent injury.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Not too far off. Dak certainly isn't elite, his playoff results speak to that. You definitely would have to be a fool to break the bank for tier 2 at 31 years old, and has never made it to a CTG despite stacked rosters (12 wins three years in a row), and high playoff seeds (1 seed and 2 seed one and done for Dak).

I wouldn't even pay 40 million for that, because Dak is a progress stopper at this point. Take your chances on a younger QB who won't destroy your ability to create a team with insane salary demands.

 

[1time4urMind]

Sando has been doing this for several years. Gets private opinions from those who know, and ranks by tiers from their results.

Fun video to watch. Well thought out. Article he references in video is on link. Dak was ranked 9th overall By GM, Coaches.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5715508/2024/08/26/nfl-qb-rankings-2024-patrick-mahomes/



Quick Recap:

• Dak is poster child for Tier 2. Been ranked there in NFL for last few years.
• NFL thinks Rodgers lost a step
• Many voters want to rank Lamar in first tier but don’t think good enough passer
• NFL execs/coaches raving about Stroud
• Worried Jerry has set the team up to fail with lame ducks, seems to welcome the chaos
• Impressed with way Dak has handled contract situation and himself in general. Other QBs don’t do that. Taken for granted.
• Tier 3 QBs, many of them have had huge contracts. Teams may have overspent.
• Jalen Hurts, conversation more negative now. Admire him, think wired right, but they realize he has limitations and has wrong OC with Kellen Moore who likes to pass often.

Tier 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen

Tier 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure-passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, Rodgers, Stroud, Dak, Goff, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Love

Tier 3
A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.
Tua, Lawrence, Murray, Watson, Mayfield, Carr, G Smith, Wilson

Tier 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.
Daniel Jones and remainders

Good video. I think this is the most rational thing concerning Dak, and NFL starting QB's, that I've seen posted on this board.

 

[khiladi]

I don’t have access to the article to see how many people he interviews. But if you ask those coaches and GMs, who they would pick among those “tier 2 QBs” if they had a choice to build a franchise around, not a single one them is picking Dak or Hurts.

And Tier 3 is the exact definition of Dak per this forum. And even with a RG, he’s still not winning. And he’s had 8 years to prove he can “carry” his team, but hasn’t shown it. The evidence is there for all too see.

 

[Cowboys5217]

I don’t have access to the article to see how many people he interviews. But if you ask those coaches and GMs, who they would pick among those “tier 2 QBs” if they had a choice to build a franchise around, not a single one them is picking Dak or Hurts.

And Tier 3 is the exact definition of Dak per this forum. And even with a RG, he’s still not winning. And he’s had 8 years to prove he can “carry” his team, but hasn’t shown it. The evidence is there for all too see.

Yep, they are taking old man Rodgers because he's by far the best chance of winning a title among the tier 2 list.

 

[pitt33]

Love these recaps Vaq.

Even though Dak drives me nuts with his play in big games/moments I do agree with this tier assessment.

And he appears to be handling his contract situation pretty well. No holdout and shows up at work.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Love these recaps Vaq.

Even though Dak drives me nuts with his play in big games/moments I do agree with this tier assessment.

And he appears to be handling his contract situation pretty well. No holdout and shows up at work.

Because he has no leverage. This whole thing has been a bluff and so far it looks like Jerry is calling it.

 

[John813]

Just wanted to agree with the others that there's only 2 Tier 1 QB's in the league ATM. Burrows and Mahomes. Allen can be at the top of Tier 2 for all I care, but he turns the ball over too many times.

 

[khiladi]

Stroud was doing things in year 1 that Dak, who was getting carried by the RB and OL, still to this day can’t dream of. They just dumbed down the offense for Dak again and McCarthy had him bail the pocket of his early reads were not there. How is that “leading by your arm”?

 

[mardwin]

Seems pretty right to me. We can win it all with a tier 2 guy with a good defense.

Lb’s have potential to be FAR better (I’d say they are now)
Diggs is back
Parsons will begin to peak.


I’d say we’re in for a big season that will surprise some that haven’t gotten over the loss last year.

The niners showed in 2 occasions in the playoffs that our QB is not tear 2 even with a good D.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Stroud was doing things in year 1 that Dak, who was getting carried by the RB and OL, still to this day can’t dream of. They just dumbed down the offense for Dak again and McCarthy had him bail the pocket of his early reads were not there. How is that “leading by your arm”?

He carried the team several games last year, especially with that offensive line and running game falling apart often. Just flopped again in Playoffs.

 

[khiladi]

Yep, they are taking old man Rodgers because he's by far the best chance of winning a title among the tier 2 list.

Yep, if you are looking to win now, Rodgers. i wouldn’t even do that, as it’s too late in the game for him. Stroud and Herbert, Allen eventually, but his propensity for TOs is concerning. I think Lamar is eventually going to win one, but based upon potential and talent, Stroud and Herbert….

 

[khiladi]

He carried the team several games last year, especially with that offensive line and running game falling apart often. Just flopped again in Playoffs.

We had one of the most consistent and healthy OL in the whole league. In fact, that’s probably the top factor for OP play, the line playing together and bring healthy. This is a myth that they were bad and that’s mostly because people think 2016 is some sort of de facto baseline here, even though 2016 was dominant.

 

[VaqueroTD]

We had one of the most consistent and healthy OL in the whole league. This is a myth. In fact, that’s probably the top factor for OP play, the line playing together and bring healthy.

Dude was running for his life several times and forced to make the play. Defenses didn’t have to focus as much on the RB and forced Dak to be a pure passer which as article says, only for tier one. Not a Dak homer but I am being fair about the assessment. I thought he grew up a bit last year under Coach Mac’s guidance as the OC. Just like the article says, had some great games carrying the team but also some flops, and a hole or two in his game. My example would be you take Tyreek Hill out of KC, and Mahomes STILL wins. You take CeeDee out of Dallas, and Dak will probably struggle to win often.

 

[jwitten82]

We had one of the most consistent and healthy OL in the whole league. In fact, that’s probably the top factor for OP play, the line playing together and bring healthy. This is a myth that they were bad and that’s mostly because people think 2016 is some sort of de facto baseline here, even though 2016 was dominant.

The way people talk about our oline is crazy, easily still a top 10 oline. You would think Dak was dealing with the oline Burrow had the way they talk about it