FAN 105.3FM: Coaches/GMs rank NFL QBs. (Dak in Tier 2, 9th overall)

[Hawkeye0202]

I read the article last week........excellent read with strong credential. 50 NFL coaches and executives who were granted anonymity to speak freely. I'm not sure there isn't a stronger NFL QB evaluation out there than what we have read from this article. I'm bookmarking this one.....

Thanks for posting OP

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We had one of the most consistent and healthy OL in the whole league. In fact, that’s probably the top factor for OP play, the line playing together and bring healthy. This is a myth that they were bad and that’s mostly because people think 2016 is some sort of de facto baseline here, even though 2016 was dominant.

We had 3 All Pros on the o-line last year and Dak fans think the o-line was trash.

Our o-line consistently has 2 All Pros every single year on the oline and some years 3.

There’s not an o-line the NFL that’s been as consistently good as the Cowboys line since probably 2014ish.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I feel like I have to say this every time I bring up Burrow that I like the guy and I’d probably take him after Mahomes if I’m starting s team but I don’t get why he’s considered the same tier as Mahomes. I think he will be at some point for sure. His only flaw on his roster has been a below average line but damn id take that if you give me the best receiving group in the league and a stout defense.

But I also don’t like discrediting guys like Purdy based on supporting cast so there’s that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The niners showed in 2 occasions in the playoffs that our QB is not tear 2 even with a good D.

49ers do that to a lot of quarterbacks.

 

[MyFairLady]

Seems pretty right to me. We can win it all with a tier 2 guy with a good defense.

Lb’s have potential to be FAR better (I’d say they are now)
Diggs is back
Parsons will begin to peak.


I’d say we’re in for a big season that will surprise some that haven’t gotten over the loss last year.

I appreciate the optimism but it could just as easily fall the other way. Honestly probably more likely. No reason to think the LBs will be much of anything. League average would be a win. No reason to believe Diggs will be back and what does that even mean? He gives up tons of plays and does not tackle. There is a good chance that we have already seen the best Parsons that we will ever see. To expect him to get even better is pretty crazy. Maintaining his current level would be a win IMHO.

 

[mardwin]

49ers do that to a lot of quarterbacks.

3 consecutive times against Dak

 

[Yobwocs]

Well....I'd say there is no Tier 2 in 2024. It's been covered up and rendered invisible by Patrick Mahomes.

Has a league ever been dominated by one Quarterback as much as it has been in the last 2 years? Even in the 70s, Staubach didn't hog the title by himself. Bradshaw was....right there, for one period....at least. Namely the late 70s.

It's Mahomes in Tier 1, and yes he deserves that title alone. No Burrow. No Jackson. No Allen.

Tier 2 can fluctuate between 9 or 10 names.

Nick Wright has roughly the same ranking:

 

[Flamma]

Sando has been doing this for several years. Gets private opinions from those who know, and ranks by tiers from their results.

Fun video to watch. Well thought out. Article he references in video is on link. Dak was ranked 9th overall By GM, Coaches.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5715508/2024/08/26/nfl-qb-rankings-2024-patrick-mahomes/



Quick Recap:

• Dak is poster child for Tier 2. Been ranked there in NFL for last few years.
• NFL thinks Rodgers lost a step
• Many voters want to rank Lamar in first tier but don’t think good enough passer
• NFL execs/coaches raving about Stroud
• Worried Jerry has set the team up to fail with lame ducks, seems to welcome the chaos
• Impressed with way Dak has handled contract situation and himself in general. Other QBs don’t do that. Taken for granted.
• Tier 3 QBs, many of them have had huge contracts. Teams may have overspent.
• Jalen Hurts, conversation more negative now. Admire him, think wired right, but they realize he has limitations and has wrong OC with Kellen Moore who likes to pass often.

Tier 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen

Tier 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure-passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, Rodgers, Stroud, Dak, Goff, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Love

Tier 3
A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.
Tua, Lawrence, Murray, Watson, Mayfield, Carr, G Smith, Wilson

Tier 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.
Daniel Jones and remainders

I agree with almost everything. I just wouldn't put Allen in Tier 1. I don't know why he is always considered that regardless of what he does. He is a turnover machine. Some really horrific turnovers too. Brett Favre like turnovers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

3 consecutive times against Dak

Yeah can’t deny that. That definitely is trash.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I thought he grew up a bit last year under Coach Mac’s guidance as the OC. Just like the article says, had some great games carrying the team but also some flops, and a hole or two in his game. My example would be you take Tyreek Hill out of KC, and Mahomes STILL wins. You take CeeDee out of Dallas, and Dak will probably struggle to win often.

+1.....some of his critics will never give him the credit he deserves and I'm not talking about top 5 or elite blue-chip credit but credit for things he does well. Here you have a solid evaluation from 50 league experts, not players but NFL coaches and executives. Yet some fans still think they know more from a desk and computer. I'm not sure if it's arrogant, ego or just stubborn but for them to think they have more credentials than this panel of experts is odd.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I agree with almost everything. I just wouldn't put Allen in Tier 1. I don't know why he is always considered that regardless of what he does. He is a turnover machine. Some really horrific turnovers too. Brett Favre like turnovers.

Yeah i think people insist on putting Burrow and Allen in there to…..actually I don’t know why lol. I think if reigned in Josh and the Bills would be better. But that’s not happening especially this year got a lot of youth around him.

 

[jwitten82]

Yeah can’t deny that. That definitely is trash.

I actually had a dream last night that Dallas beat the 49ers 24 to 7 lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dude was running for his life several times and forced to make the play. Defenses didn’t have to focus as much on the RB and forced Dak to be a pure passer which as article says, only for tier one. Not a Dak homer but I am being fair about the assessment. I thought he grew up a bit last year under Coach Mac’s guidance as the OC. Just like the article says, had some great games carrying the team but also some flops, and a hole or two in his game. My example would be you take Tyreek Hill out of KC, and Mahomes STILL wins. You take CeeDee out of Dallas, and Dak will probably struggle to win often.

Yeah but you take Tyreek out he still has Kelce who players have said was a top 10 talent.

You take Lamb away and you have Cooks.

 

[1time4urMind]

Well....I'd say there is no Tier 2 in 2024. It's been covered up and rendered invisible by Patrick Mahomes.

Has a league ever been dominated by one Quarterback as much as it has been in the last 2 years? Even in the 70s, Staubach didn't hog the title by himself. Bradshaw was....right there, for one period....at least. Namely the late 70s.

It's Mahomes in Tier 1, and yes he deserves that title alone. No Burrow. No Jackson. No Allen.

Tier 2 can fluctuate between 9 or 10 names.

Nick Wright has roughly the same ranking:

You've convinced me. I agree.

 

[Flamma]

Yeah i think people insist on putting Burrow and Allen in there to…..actually I don’t know why lol. I think if reigned in Josh and the Bills would be better. But that’s not happening especially this year got a lot of youth around him.

I know a lot of people will think what I am about to say is hilarious, including yourself. I don't care. Burrow is Tony Romo on a team with a better defense. I'm not wowed by him. He's no Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. Put aside your draft bias and look at what he really is. He's a very good QB. So was Tony. If you have a trash D, you're not going to a SB.

 

[Havic]

Dak is borderline tier 2 and more in line with tier 3 imo. He has his moments but never in the playoffs.

 

[McKDaddy]

Well....I'd say there is no Tier 2 in 2024. It's been covered up and rendered invisible by Patrick Mahomes.

Has a league ever been dominated by one Quarterback as much as it has been in the last 2 years? Even in the 70s, Staubach didn't hog the title by himself. Bradshaw was....right there, for one period....at least. Namely the late 70s.

It's Mahomes in Tier 1, and yes he deserves that title alone. No Burrow. No Jackson. No Allen.

Tier 2 can fluctuate between 9 or 10 names.

Nick Wright has roughly the same ranking:

I have no problem with the pyramid ranking concept especially in a world where there is a clear #1. But in that scheme Dak is on tier 4 (not tier 2). Which is probably pretty fair.

As for OP ranking, the consensus on this board has been that he's in that 9-12 slot so that lines up. If you go by those definitions though, I just don't know when Dak carries the team. Maybe against weakest opponents but not better opponents.

It would have been awesome if they would have asked those execs what they were willing to pay for guys in Dak's range of their rankings.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I actually had a dream last night that Dallas beat the 49ers 24 to 7 lol

No lie I had a dream we got smoked by the Browns and I don’t know why I’m dreaming about Cowboys or having nightmares I must be looking at too much content lol.

I hope your dream come true….i know too many Niners fans I can’t take another loss.

 

[Yobwocs]

I have no problem with the pyramid ranking concept especially in a world where there is a clear #1. But in that scheme Dak is on tier 4 (not tier 2). Which is probably pretty fair.

As for OP ranking, the consensus on this board has been that he's in that 9-12 slot so that lines up. If you go by those definitions though, I just don't know when Dak carries the team. Maybe against weakest opponents but not better opponents.

It would have been awesome if they would have asked those execs what they were willing to pay for guys in Dak's range of their rankings.

I've seen Dak as high as 5 or 6 on some rankings so I'm not sure where that 9-12 slot comes in. All QBs dominate the weaker teams. And no, that tier 4 thing simply has to do with the shape of a pyramid. Lamar is Tier 4 too, if we go by your logic.

 

[JoeKing]

The only reason they get away with denigrating Dak is because of his playoff record. Otherwise, he is a top-tier QB. Dak has proven time and time again that he can get his team to the playoffs which is better than most teams have. But of course, just getting to the playoffs is not the goal. We want championships. If Dak can do that he will elevate to the higher tier.