FAN 105.3FM: Coaches/GMs rank NFL QBs. (Dak in Tier 2, 9th overall)

[TheMarathonContinues]

I know a lot of people will think what I am about to say is hilarious, including yourself. I don't care. Burrow is Tony Romo on a team with a better defense. I'm not wowed by him. He's no Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. Put aside your draft bias and look at what he really is. He's a very good QB. So was Tony. If you have a trash D, you're not going to a SB.

I like Burrow and I agree with you only that Burrow did make some key throws to get to that SB. But I feel the same way you do. I don’t get the hype he gets and I’m a fan. I think he can and will get there some day but that SB run he gets so much credit for that defense was playing lights out.

People bring up his line but you can win in this league with suspect line. Happens all the time. You can’t win a ring with one though but I mean he has two number one receivers and some think Chase is one of the best.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I have no problem with the pyramid ranking concept especially in a world where there is a clear #1. But in that scheme Dak is on tier 4 (not tier 2). Which is probably pretty fair.

As for OP ranking, the consensus on this board has been that he's in that 9-12 slot so that lines up. If you go by those definitions though, I just don't know when Dak carries the team. Maybe against weakest opponents but not better opponents.

It would have been awesome if they would have asked those execs what they were willing to pay for guys in Dak's range of their rankings.

Caleb hasn’t even played a down yet…

 

[McKDaddy]

Burrow is Tony Romo on a team with a better defense

Yeah, I'm not going to get into drawing parallels between players, I'm just going to say I have great respect for Burrow. He is the best tight spaces passer I have ever seen. There have been plays where you couldn't even see him for the mass of humanity around him and the ball not only comes out but is pinpoint accurate. He is just a Houdini in the pocket and he has extremely quick mental processing and uncanny accuracy. He is a playmaker. Hope he gets healthy & puts it all on display.

This is from a guy who has no ties to Burrow. I am in SEC country & of course got to see what he did at LSU but didn't pay a lot of attention til late in the season. After the title, I went back & watched clips of games I didn't see and was just blown away by some of the stuff he did.

 

[DogFace]

The niners showed in 2 occasions in the playoffs that our QB is not tear 2 even with a good D.

Show me the guys above him (on your list) and how they played vs the niners.

 

[McKDaddy]

Caleb hasn’t even played a down yet…

And ?

I didn't say anything about the specifics of his rankings just that I had no issue with the pyramid concept.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The only reason they get away with denigrating Dak is because of his playoff record. Otherwise, he is a top-tier QB. Dak has proven time and time again that he can get his team to the playoffs which is better than most teams have. But of course, just getting to the playoffs is not the goal. We want championships. If Dak can do that he will elevate to the higher tier.

This^^^^ 100%

 

[DogFace]

I appreciate the optimism but it could just as easily fall the other way. Honestly probably more likely. No reason to think the LBs will be much of anything. League average would be a win. No reason to believe Diggs will be back and what does that even mean? He gives up tons of plays and does not tackle. There is a good chance that we have already seen the best Parsons that we will ever see. To expect him to get even better is pretty crazy. Maintaining his current level would be a win IMHO.

Although you have a good attitude I’ll stick with my opinion. Thanks for the input though.

Help me get it.

What is your purpose for following the Cowboys? What are you trying to add to your life from the fan experience?

 

[McKDaddy]

I've seen Dak as high as 5 or 6 on some rankings so I'm not sure where that 9-12 slot comes in. All QBs dominate the weaker teams. And no, that tier 4 thing simply has to do with the shape of a pyramid. Lamar is Tier 4 too, if we go by your logic.

Been a common refrain on this board in the 16 million discussions, not sure how you could have missed it.

I understand the shape, I was simply pointing out that ranking by definition has more tiers than the OP.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And ?

I didn't say anything about the specifics of his rankings just that I had no issue with the pyramid concept.

I thought you said in that scheme Dak was fair at 4 so I pointed out Caleb was 3. Maybe I misunderstood you.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Sando has been doing this for several years. Gets private opinions from those who know, and ranks by tiers from their results.

Fun video to watch. Well thought out. Article he references in video is on link. Dak was ranked 9th overall By GM, Coaches.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5715508/2024/08/26/nfl-qb-rankings-2024-patrick-mahomes/



Quick Recap:

• Dak is poster child for Tier 2. Been ranked there in NFL for last few years.
• NFL thinks Rodgers lost a step
• Many voters want to rank Lamar in first tier but don’t think good enough passer
• NFL execs/coaches raving about Stroud
• Worried Jerry has set the team up to fail with lame ducks, seems to welcome the chaos
• Impressed with way Dak has handled contract situation and himself in general. Other QBs don’t do that. Taken for granted.
• Tier 3 QBs, many of them have had huge contracts. Teams may have overspent.
• Jalen Hurts, conversation more negative now. Admire him, think wired right, but they realize he has limitations and has wrong OC with Kellen Moore who likes to pass often.

Tier 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen

Tier 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure-passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, Rodgers, Stroud, Dak, Goff, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Love

Tier 3
A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best.
Tua, Lawrence, Murray, Watson, Mayfield, Carr, G Smith, Wilson

Tier 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.
Daniel Jones and remainders

Very good write up on the tiers, I think this list could change with the seasons except for maybe Mahomes

 

[Scotman]

This is a fantastic recap. Thank you.

I also agree with the overall assessment of Dak. Middle of Tier 2. He's quickly running out of time if he ever hopes to get to Tier 1. He could more easily fall into Tier 3 if things don't go his way.

 

[McKDaddy]

I thought you said in that scheme Dak was fair at 4 so I pointed out Caleb was 3. Maybe I misunderstood you.

If you take his rankings at face value, then Dak is on tier 4 not tier 2 as the OP ranking said. Was just trying to point out that the tiers aren't the same.

I was intentionally trying not to muddy the water by interjecting my thoughts on the pyramid rankings.

 

[Coogiguy03]

This is a fantastic recap. Thank you.

I also agree with the overall assessment of Dak. Middle of Tier 2. He's quickly running out of time if he ever hopes to get to Tier 1. He could more easily fall into Tier 3 if things don't go his way.

Is he running out of time or does Jerry want to come out and break the news that he's re signing Dak to a record deal

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If you take his rankings at face value, then Dak is on tier 4 not tier 2 as the OP ranking said. Was just trying to point out that the tiers aren't the same.

I was intentionally trying not to muddy the water by interjecting my thoughts on the pyramid rankings.

Understood.

 

[Scotman]

Is he running out of time or does Jerry want to come out and break the news that he's re signing Dak to a record deal

The deal notwithstanding, Dak is running out of time from an age standpoint. It's a fair bet to assume that he has less years in front of him than he does behind him. There's just a finite number of years players get to write their own story. So, after 8 seasons, Dak is just a guy who plays well in the regular season. But, he hasn't had nearly as much post-season success as you'd like to see. In the end, it won't matter how many reasons there are for lack of playoff wins...it'll just be his story.

I'm still hoping it all comes together for him. But, the clock is ticking.

 

[Yobwocs]

Caleb hasn’t even played a down yet…

Besides Caleb, who is just a weird Nick fixation....Dak does everything better than all the guys he's above on Nicks list.

He has a stronger arm than all the guys ranked below him except Will Levis.

And maybe he doesn't run as well as Hurts but I can't name a single thing anyone else below him does better. Maybe Rodgers 3 years ago but his decline has to be taken into consideration. Rodgers doesn't feel like he's Top 10 anymore.

 

[Coogiguy03]

The deal notwithstanding, Dak is running out of time from an age standpoint. It's a fair bet to assume that he has less years in front of him than he does behind him. There's just a finite number of years players get to write their own story. So, after 8 seasons, Dak is just a guy who plays well in the regular season. But, he hasn't had nearly as much post-season success as you'd like to see. In the end, it won't matter how many reasons there are for lack of playoff wins...it'll just be his story.

I'm still hoping it all comes together for him. But, the clock is ticking.

I hear you loud and clear I swear I do, but what stops Jerry from being HOPEFUL that dak finally turns into what they think he can be????

 

[Scotman]

I hear you loud and clear I swear I do, but what stops Jerry from being HOPEFUL that dak finally turns into what they think he can be????

LOL...hopefully he will age out, too.

 

[Coogiguy03]

LOL...hopefully he will age out, too.

If he hasn't done it by now, he never will

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Seems pretty right to me. We can win it all with a tier 2 guy with a good defense.

Lb’s have potential to be FAR better (I’d say they are now)
Diggs is back
Parsons will begin to peak.


I’d say we’re in for a big season that will surprise some that haven’t gotten over the loss last year.

Agreed, Dak is tier two, he has fatal flaws in his game but they're not insurmountable,,,, unless the GM is Jerry Jones who all but refuses to build balanced teams with elite defenses.