Fans should know CBA rules for contract negotiations

[revospeed]

Right, there are probably some fine language in the CBA that allows such things.
Would be nice to see the real CBA rules.
Other teams have done this as well as Jerry. But yet media and some fans want to make it all out to be Jerry.

The CBA has been posted in this thread. The OP completely made things up out of wholecloth.

 

[Vtwin]

See above.

The agent would be involved, both upfront in coming up with the primary numbers with Parson's and on the backend with fine tuning those numbers and with all the other details.

I'll ask this question for the 6th time.

Why hasn't this come up on previous negotiations? This can't be the first time Jerry has been Jerry.

 

[CCBoy]

You are incorrect sir. The CBA clearly states the player’s certified agent must be involved in negotiations.

See above.

It does not prohibit “discussions” but those discussions cannot be binding, and have zero credibility in an official negotiation.

For example, if I’m an owner I can say to a player, “Hey Joe, what’s it gonna take to get this deal done?” That is allowed. But the results of that conversation cannot be considered an “official negotiation”. Period.

So JJ saying “they had a handshake deal” is irrelevant and non-binding according to the NFL CBA. Jerry knows this. Teams can be fined for trying to circumvent the agent.

No one rushed up to file a contract to the NFL. Don't insult the intelligence of Jerry's team and lawyer staff.

 

[revospeed]

You are incorrect sir. The CBA clearly states the player’s certified agent must be involved in negotiations.

See above.

It does not prohibit “discussions” but those discussions cannot be binding, and have zero credibility in an official negotiation.

For example, if I’m an owner I can say to a player, “Hey Joe, what’s it gonna take to get this deal done?” That is allowed. But the results of that conversation cannot be considered an “official negotiation”. Period.

So JJ saying “they had a handshake deal” is irrelevant and non-binding according to the NFL CBA. Jerry knows this. Teams can be fined for trying to circumvent the agent.

Thats absolutely not true at all. Ive sent the CBA link to you in this thread, cited the applicable provision showing you are wrong and you still refuse to cite the provision which supports your contention. Disgraceful that you continue to lie.

 

[Bobhaze]

The CBA has been posted in this thread. The OP completely made things up out of wholecloth.

What has been made up?

 

[revospeed]

What has been made up?

An agent does not need to be involved in negotiations. Article 48, Section 2 of the CBA.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The CBA has been posted in this thread. The OP completely made things up out of wholecloth.

I think some are misinterpreting the language that prohibits "negotiating a contractl" without the NFLPA-approved agent (or the player himself if he's acting as his own agent).

That means they can't sign an official agreement without the agent. It doesn't mean the parties can't talk between themselves and negotiate the bigger points.

 

[Bobhaze]

Completely false.

Article 48, Section 2 of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement provides:

“The Commissioner shall disapprove any NFL Player Contract(s) between a player and a Club unless such player: (a) is represented in the negotiations with respect to such NFL Player Contract(s) by an agent or representative duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with the NFLPA agent regulation system and authorized to represent him; or (b) acts on his own behalf in negotiating such NFL Player Contract(s).”

The purpose of Article 48, which deals with certified agents, is clear. Its ensures that if someone other than the player is involved in negotiations, that person must be a certified NFLPA agent. It was drafted to prevent teams from having to negotiate with players’ brothers, uncles, or friends who were not qualified. But nothing in Article 48 restricts a player from acting on his own behalf just because he has an agent. Subsection (b) explicitly confirms that a player always has the right to negotiate directly if he chooses.

That is exactly what Micah did in his conversations with Jerry. He acted on his own behalf without his agent. And that conduct is fully consistent with the CBA. In fact, it’s been common practice around the league for years: players often handle initial discussions themselves and then let their agents step in to review or finalize the contract. Jerry and Bill Parcells did it with Tony Romo, and the Patriots were well known for negotiating directly with players before bringing in the agents to formalize the deal.

I reviewed the CBA, and Article 48 is the only provision that comes close to addressing your assertion. And nowhere in it does it say what you’re claiming, i.e., that all negotiations must go through the agent if the player has one. On the contrary, it says the exact opposite: a player can always negotiate on his own behalf.

So I’ll ask again: where in the CBA does it say that a player who has an agent is prohibited from negotiating for himself directly with the GM? Because the language of Article 48 doesn’t come anywhere close to saying that.

I read that qnd it supports the point in the OP of NFLPA certified agents must be involved in negations. It says it in your post above.

And one HUGE problem with this example given about a player negotiating his own deal. Micah has stated publicly that he does NOT want to do that. He wants his agent involved. So saying he can act as his own agent is incorrect because he does not want to serve as his own agent.

An agent does not need to be involved in negotiations. Article 48, Section 2 of the CBA.

Yes. I’ve read the language. It appears you are incorrect. We can certainly agree to disagree Revo. But I’ve read the language you are quoting and it does not say what you are alleging.

 

[TwentyOne]

Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.

Thanks for clarification.

But you are talking about two different events. You refer to your first as "a complete waste of time".
Well i dont see how you reason that. Because that offer Jerry speaks about could have been handed to Micahs Agent. I dont see no way or reason to prove the oposite.

I agree with your second example. But i remember we discussed the problematic behind it already thouroughly.

You may connect his first saying to his second. But i too see no way to prove that.

 

[revospeed]

I think some are misinterpreting the language that prohibits "negotiating a contractl" without the NFLPA-approved agent (or the player himself if he's acting as his own agent).

That means they can't sign an official agreement without the agent. It doesn't mean the parties can't talk between themselves and negotiate the bigger points.

They can sign an official agreement without an agent if the player does the negotiation. Article 48 is designed to prevent NFL teams with having to deal with non-certified agents and requires essentially a licensure for prospective agents. It's essentially saying "No, I'm not going to deal with your cousin or uncle when it comes to negotiating your contract." It doesn't say anywhere that an agent has to be involved at all times with contract negotiations.

 

[Bobhaze]

They can sign an official agreement without an agent if the player does the negotiation. Article 48 is designed to prevent NFL teams with having to deal with non-certified agents and requires essentially a licensure for prospective agents. It's essentially saying "No, I'm not going to deal with your cousin or uncle when it comes to negotiating your contract." It doesn't say anywhere that an agent has to be involved at all times with contract negotiations.

Only IF the player wants to serve as his own agent. If he wants an agent to represent him as Micah does, the team must honor that.

Big difference.

 

[blueblood70]

Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.

That's true, but you're twisting the truth again. I'm tired of hearing how you think you're always right and that Parsons and his agent are 100 percent correct—they're not.

Parsons is an employee, and as such, he can discuss a future contract with his boss at any time. They can establish a contract in principle, discussing money, years, and expectations without violating any rules. There's no penalty for that.

Jerry was not trying to force Parsons into signing a contract without his agent present. They had a preliminary agreement, which angered Parsons' agent. The agent intervened, telling Parsons to stay quiet and informing Jerry they were starting from scratch.

This boils down to an ego problem. Jerry has dealt with countless agents and lawyers over the years, involving them in every player deal he's signed or business contract he's completed. They've always followed the law, with lawyers present to negotiate and finalize details.

If there were rule violations, Jerry wouldn't be publicly discussing it, knowing the league would penalize him. You're cherry-picking the rules here. It's true that players can't be forced into deals without their agents, but that's not what happened. For 36 years, Jerry has engaged in preliminary discussions with players and involved agents once the player was ready. In this case, the agent refused, citing his own ego, and rejected any part of the deal.

By the way, to remain consistent, Parsons is the one who publicly had to take this this far....this is about David vs Jerry(goliath) both are wrong...


This doesn’t mean the deal can’t get done because Jerry has plenty of intermediaries and layers of people to handle it for him. Or maybe he’s just pushing Parsons to do what T. Higgins did—part ways with David—and they’ll sign the deal tomorrow with a new agent involved. This isn’t about avoiding agents; it’s about disliking this particular agent. They’ve clashed, and now Parsons is stuck in the middle. Honestly, I don’t even blame Parsons—it seems like he’s getting bad advice.

I’m pretty sure Prescott has an agent, and a pretty prominent one at that. Last I checked, he got two deals done through this agency without resorting to any of these tactics. He didn’t miss practices, OTAs, or camps, even playing on the franchise tag, which is basically the fifth-year option. He never demanded a trade or made a public spectacle. This isn’t about agents in general; it’s about this specific agent. Jerry and his staff have worked with Prescott’s agent recently, as well as those for Osa, Trayvon Diggs, and Steele—they all had agents.

Let’s stop pretending Jerry is trying to bypass agents entirely. He’s just fed up with this one because the agent blew things up, copped an attitude, let his ego take over, and challenged Jerry. And typical Jerry wasn’t going to tolerate it—so here we are.

 

[revospeed]

I read that qnd it supports the point in the OP of NFLPA certified agents must be involved in negations. It says it in your post above.

And one HUGE problem with this example given about a player negotiating his own deal. Micah has stated publicly that he does NOT want to do that. He wants his agent involved. So saying he can act as his own agent is incorrect because he does not want to serve as his own agent.

Well your reading is wrong.

Article 48, Section 2 of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement provides:

“The Commissioner shall disapprove any NFL Player Contract(s) between a player and a Club unless such player: (a) is represented in the negotiations with respect to such NFL Player Contract(s) by an agent or representative duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with the NFLPA agent regulation system and authorized to represent him; or (b) acts on his own behalf in negotiating such NFL Player Contract(s).”

Article 48 deals with the certification of agents and makes sure that if a player chooses to use an agent, that agent is properly qualified and certified by the NFLPA. That’s it. Nowhere in Article 48 does it say the asinine things you’ve been claiming, like “agents must be present during all negotiations.” The provision simply means that if an agent is involved, he must be certified. It does not require that an agent be used at all. A player always retains the right to negotiate for himself under subsection (b).

That is exactly what Micah did in his conversations with Jerry, he negotiated on his own behalf without his agent. That conduct is completely consistent with the CBA. In fact, it’s been common practice across the league for years. Jerry and Bill Parcells did it with Tony Romo, and the Patriots were notorious for negotiating directly with players before letting agents step in later to finalize the paperwork.

I reviewed the CBA, and Article 48 is the only provision that even comes close to touching on this subject. And it does not say what you’re claiming. On the contrary, it says the exact opposite: a player can always negotiate on his own behalf, regardless of whether he has an agent.

So once again: where in the CBA does it say that a player who has an agent is prohibited from negotiating for himself directly with the GM? Because Article 48 doesn’t say anything remotely close to that.

 

[blueblood70]

Only IF the player wants to serve as his own agent. If he wants an agent to represent him as Micah does, the team must honor that.

Big difference.

Jerry has honored all of those deals with all those agents for 36 years and and yet you think he's trying to bypass the agent no he's not he just doesn't like this particular agent He's not trying to force Parsons into doing something he doesn't want to do they had a preliminary contract in principle and when they wanted to bring it to the agent the agent was angry upset made it personal and said don't even bother That **** Jerry off and here we are is this agent it's not jerry trying to bypass an agent he just doesn't want to deal with this agent. Apparently T Higgins did not either this won't be the first time somebody had an agent that they had to fire or that the other side didn't like dealing with and it blew up a deal.. It's not illegal for Jerry to speak with his employees about contracts contract details as long as when they're done they are witnessed and signed and agreed upon by all parties including the agent.....

 

[Majic]

No, he does not.

Yes he does. If you don't sign him to a long-term deal you have one unhappy player who I cannot see playing to a level required in terms of effort, so you are over-paying (last year of contract and franchise tagx2) for a player who will not perform at the same level as in the past. (That's if he actually does not sit out games). GM's can see what is going on. Meanwhile his agent (the best in the business) will get him the deal he wants from another team. I don't see him losing out financially.

It's all very well Jerry saying he has the player under contract for 3 seasons, but he wouldn't have the same player, just a very unhappy one.
Jerry has called this completely wrong.

 

[blueblood70]

Well your reading is wrong.

Article 48, Section 2 of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement provides:

“The Commissioner shall disapprove any NFL Player Contract(s) between a player and a Club unless such player: (a) is represented in the negotiations with respect to such NFL Player Contract(s) by an agent or representative duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with the NFLPA agent regulation system and authorized to represent him; or (b) acts on his own behalf in negotiating such NFL Player Contract(s).”

Article 48 deals with the certification of agents and makes sure that if a player chooses to use an agent, that agent is properly qualified and certified by the NFLPA. That’s it. Nowhere in Article 48 does it say the asinine things you’ve been claiming, like “agents must be present during all negotiations.” The provision simply means that if an agent is involved, he must be certified. It does not require that an agent be used at all. A player always retains the right to negotiate for himself under subsection (b).

That is exactly what Micah did in his conversations with Jerry, he negotiated on his own behalf without his agent. That conduct is completely consistent with the CBA. In fact, it’s been common practice across the league for years. Jerry and Bill Parcells did it with Tony Romo, and the Patriots were notorious for negotiating directly with players before letting agents step in later to finalize the paperwork.

I reviewed the CBA, and Article 48 is the only provision that even comes close to touching on this subject. And it does not say what you’re claiming. On the contrary, it says the exact opposite: a player can always negotiate on his own behalf, regardless of whether he has an agent.

So once again: where in the CBA does it say that a player who has an agent is prohibited from negotiating for himself directly with the GM? Because Article 48 doesn’t say anything remotely close to that.

You're correct except for Jerry would have brought in the agent when it became necessary for it to be approved and certified and witnessed he's done it since 1989 with multiple hundreds of contracts..

Problem here is the agent made this personal got angry because he was upset that Parsons was telling Jerry he would take less he didn't need to be the highest paid and that they had a deal in principle done and that they were going to bring it to the agent and the agent said don't even bother They basically wanted to start negotiations from scratch it **** erio both have giant egos and here we are it's a big **** match the egos are classing between 2 personalities that will never get along it's not about bypassing agents it's about Jerry having disdain and dislike for this particular agent..

 

[revospeed]

You're correct except for Jerry would have brought in the agent when it became necessary for it to be approved and certified and witnessed he's done it since 1989 with multiple hundreds of contracts..

Problem here is the agent made this personal got angry because he was upset that Parsons was telling Jerry he would take less he didn't need to be the highest paid and that they had a deal in principle done and that they were going to bring it to the agent and the agent said don't even bother They basically wanted to start negotiations from scratch it **** erio both have giant egos and here we are it's a big **** match the egos are classing between 2 personalities that will never get along it's not about bypassing agents it's about Jerry having disdain and dislike for this particular agent..

No crap. That's why he was going to send the contract over to the agent to formalize an the agent declined to look at it.

 

[Bobhaze]

Well your reading is wrong.

Article 48, Section 2 of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement provides:

“The Commissioner shall disapprove any NFL Player Contract(s) between a player and a Club unless such player: (a) is represented in the negotiations with respect to such NFL Player Contract(s) by an agent or representative duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with the NFLPA agent regulation system and authorized to represent him; or (b) acts on his own behalf in negotiating such NFL Player Contract(s).”

The player must choose to act on his own behalf. Micah has not chosen to do that. That is the key here. Yes a player may act in his own behalf, but he has officially decided to use an agent.

So the piece from article 48 you have mentioned is not valid unless the player chooses to act on his behalf, which Micah has not.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes he does. If you don't sign him to a long-term deal you have one unhappy player who I cannot see playing to a level required in terms of effort, so you are over-paying (last year of contract and franchise tagx2) for a player who will not perform at the same level as in the past. (That's if he actually does not sit out games). GM's can see what is going on. Meanwhile his agent (the best in the business) will get him the deal he wants from another team. I don't see him losing out financially.

It's all very well Jerry saying he has the player under contract for 3 seasons, but he wouldn't have the same player, just a very unhappy one.
Jerry has called this completely wrong.

Apparently he is not the best in the business. No contract is done.
It is not all on Jerry.

 

[revospeed]

Only IF the player wants to serve as his own agent. If he wants an agent to represent him as Micah does, the team must honor that.

Big difference.

Are you making stuff up in your head? Where does it say that in the CBA? It doesn't. You started an entire thread based on your hallucinations about what the CBA says and it's not grounded in reality.