Fast Forward: Dallas has Pick of the Litter at Safety

[phildadon86]

Safety is the least of my concerns.


Dallas needs a playmaker with their first pick.

If they choose to pick a offensive lineman like Wright from Tennessee I’d be ok with that too.

Considering he looks like the second coming of Trent Williams. Id be ok with it too lol

 

[Kwyn]

Better "needs" for BPA, will get you a PS guy and will be gone in a year.

We need DT's, so they select one of them over a higher rated S, you get the Ivy and Carrell type DT's that get cut in TC.

Drafting for need players, those guys can very easily sit on the bench as well.
Draft a BPA S at 4 or 5, he gets on the field before Bell and Coyle for sure.

Always gotta do a combination of BPA *and* need, right?

Identify your four or five positions of need and then take BPA based on your board from that group.

 

[jazzcat22]

Nope, disagree needs meet BPA as you can easily have 3 positions that are close tie for BPA and you take the ones that fit the need NOW vs waiting when you have need for S..sorry this isnt a taco DEAL you cant load up on one position before your BPA landed on one since when does the draft say the rating of said S actually turn out to be that payer is bluechip and wil be Parosns type but you wont know if they are bust until 1-2 years later because they are buried on the depth chart,? what if Bell and Izzy are those next safety's we cant tell because they aren't getting playing time, so draft more bench non-actives because you think that BPA was the right move....

I think you are missing the point.
I get it, you don’t want to take a S regardless if he is head and shoulders better than a DT that is there, but may be a bust or sit the bench. Because we need to see what the players have in front of him. That is the theory I am getting you have. Go for need.

What if the next Micah Parsons is there. Would you pass because you don’t think you need another elite pass rusher. And you take a lesser player at another position?

 

[jrumann59]

The Safeties in Dallas are good at what they do in Dallas, Kearse and Wilson are system safeties. Wilson was OK as a cover 2 safety under Marinelli but only because they did not have him cover in space as a traditional safety. Kearse was average at best before coming to Dallas, Hooker is the only "proven" guy but he was injury prone. Kearse and Wilson while they could get good deals in FA they probably would be roster cuts inside 2 years when teams do not use them as they were used in Dallas.

 

[Typhus]

that a bit of odd suggestion we have not only our 3 very good Safety's signed we have guys like Bell and others in the winds.. why draft a deep roster full of safeties.. answer, YOU DONT
Id say Outside Cormer to take Gilmores spot of much more of a critical need right now. Even a WR to take cooks spot.. RB to take zekes spot..

i say no to safety even have issues taking a high TE.. OL, DLI, RB, WR, Corner all needs before Safety or TE

This roster definitely needs more corners than safeties.
Might be a couple of UDFA safeties brought in but other than an outright steal dropping in their laps, there will be no safety drafted, deepest position on this entire roster .

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/fast-forward-dallas-has-pick-of-the-litter-at-safety

Over the last few years we seen how the team has finally taken S more seriously. Still no high draft picks. But addresses it in FA as well, hit on Wilson as a later round pick.

One of the S's they mention in the draft is Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. I seen him play every game, and he would be a great value pick in the 4th or 5th round.
They are deep enough at S, they can wait until day 3 to select one. Especially with contracts expiring after this season of Kearse and Hooker.

Yeah Hickman just one of many Day 3 guys that are probably similar. This is not a good safety class. .most of them are purely double-high safety types.... only a couple have the range to play single high.

Best S value this year really will be in Day 3, as the guys u get on Day 2, or gulp Day 1 may not get you THAT much more than the Day 3 guy. Better to use the high picks on both lines, where the talent is very good.

Quez Martin is 1 guy that does have the range though to warrant a solid day 2 pick. He's a very interesting prospect

 

[Typhus]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/fast-forward-dallas-has-pick-of-the-litter-at-safety

Over the last few years we seen how the team has finally taken S more seriously. Still no high draft picks. But addresses it in FA as well, hit on Wilson as a later round pick.

One of the S's they mention in the draft is Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. I seen him play every game, and he would be a great value pick in the 4th or 5th round.
They are deep enough at S, they can wait until day 3 to select one. Especially with contracts expiring after this season of Kearse and Hooker.

Have no problem with taking that player, but this roster demands a draft day trade to make that happen.
If they decided to make a serious trade, Diggs for instance, others....
Then by all means we need to go that direction, just not seeing this FO bold enough to make that move this season, but we will soon see.
Our best ammo is what we have in our secondary currently as far as trading is concerned.

 

[jazzcat22]

Why does many keep on talking about trading Diggs. If Dallas doesn’t want to pay him, why would another team. When they can just draft one as well for the rookie contract.

 

[Typhus]

Why does many keep on talking about trading Diggs. If Dallas doesn’t want to pay him, why would another team. When they can just draft one as well for the rookie contract.

Doesnt have to be Diggs to accommodate the high investment, but lets take a look at the roster and lets try and make room for that top pick.
Later rounds, no problem but I thought we were talking a top safety falling in our laps.

 

[jazzcat22]

Doesnt have to be Diggs to accommodate the high investment, but lets take a look at the roster and lets try and make room for that top pick.
Later rounds, no problem but I thought we were talking a top safety falling in our laps.

Yes but some posted about trading Diggs.

 

[Typhus]

Yes but some posted about trading Diggs.

Its a serious option, but immediately need to acquire the value vs loss of your starting CB in Diggs.
Has to be ample compensation with intent of immediately replacing the loss.
If we have a higher upside candidate avialbale either already in house or via draft, than I am never opposed to dealing any player on this roster if the end result equates in a positive gain.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why are people talking about this in the abstract?

There is one S prospect and that is Branch. He lacks the foot speed to play deep middle so I would pass.

Draft could end up looking like Branch Avila Mayer/Kincaid Mazi as the top of the board.

 

[Havic]

I cant believe what im saying right now, but.... I think we are really good at SS/FS.

Imagine if we took dt seriously next

 

[kskboys]

I think you are missing the point.
I get it, you don’t want to take a S regardless if he is head and shoulders better than a DT that is there, but may be a bust or sit the bench. Because we need to see what the players have in front of him. That is the theory I am getting you have. Go for need.

What if the next Micah Parsons is there. Would you pass because you don’t think you need another elite pass rusher. And you take a lesser player at another position?

What if the next Taco is there? He was BPA, you still taking him?

Using only one overly simplistic idea to draft is foolish. You consider needs, you consider BPA, you consider injury, you consider instincts. It's all important.

 

[jazzcat22]

What if the next Taco is there? He was BPA, you still taking him?

Using only one overly simplistic idea to draft is foolish. You consider needs, you consider BPA, you consider injury, you consider instincts. It's all important.

That is just it, you don’t know. You make the best selection at the time as to what you think is right to help the most.
However when Taco was selected they did not go BPA, They went for need more so.
Now with McClay, they lean more towards BPA Regardless.

 

[Nemesis4u]

Safety is the least of my concerns.


Dallas needs a playmaker with their first pick.

If they choose to pick a offensive lineman like Wright from Tennessee I’d be ok with that too.

Wright, Gibbs, Washington between those 3 one of those is your first round pick you can take it to the bank.

 

[CATCH17]

Wright, Gibbs, Washington between those 3 one of those is your first round pick you can take it to the bank.

Has Dallas shown any interest in Gibbs?

 

[stilltheguru]

Unless Brian Branch slips to our pick.

If he slips to our pick you look at him like Smokey looked at the big girl in Friday. Right past him

 

[LatinMind]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/fast-forward-dallas-has-pick-of-the-litter-at-safety

Over the last few years we seen how the team has finally taken S more seriously. Still no high draft picks. But addresses it in FA as well, hit on Wilson as a later round pick.

One of the S's they mention in the draft is Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. I seen him play every game, and he would be a great value pick in the 4th or 5th round.
They are deep enough at S, they can wait until day 3 to select one. Especially with contracts expiring after this season of Kearse and Hooker.

I wouldnt hate Branch replacing hooker. That injury took that extra gear he had. Now he's just average. Wouldn't be suprised to see Muku starting this yr at fs

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'd go CB over S. But whoever has the highest grade is the way to go.