Fast Forward: RB's who can hit the ground running

[CowboyRoy]

While I agree, what if Bijan somehow falls to them in the 1st? Do they pass?

Yes

 

[ICP]

Yes

If he did fall that far Jerry would be like a rabid dog, not sure Stephen could hold him back

 

[RonnieT24]

While I agree, what if Bijan somehow falls to them in the 1st? Do they pass?

If they're going to use him like they did Zeke early on then I'd be all for it. I have more faith that they might actually do so now that Moore is gone. The whole "you don't take a running back..." yadda yadda yadda argument has never made sense to me. If you can get an all pro caliber player who is going to average 300+ touches a year for 5 years why the hell would you pass on that? Think about this.. If Zeke never plays another down in the NFL he will retire with more touches than every receiver that has ever played not named Jerry Rice. If you can get that level of impact for 5-6 years you take it and not look back.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The year we hit on Pollard, three other backs were taken in the fourth round before him. Bryce Love never played a down for Washington. Justice Hill has totaled 547 rushing yards in four years for Baltimore. And Benny Snell has totaled 982, but a 3.6 average for Pittsburgh.

It's nice to believe McClay can just find another Pollard in the fourth, but we were fortunate to do it. In fact, seven more backs were taken in the fifth round and their teams don't have much to show for it. So that's one success out of 11 in those two rounds that year.

Good post. It's a mistake to believe any random mid to late round pick can come in and be a starting caliber player.

A RB in the first round is a mistake, but in rounds 2-3, there will be some really good options.

 

[gimmesix]

Good post. It's a mistake to believe any random mid to late round pick can come in and be a starting caliber player.

A RB in the first round is a mistake, but in rounds 2-3, there will be some really good options.

I don't agree that a running back in the first would be a mistake, but I do agree that the odds seem to favor this year being able to find one in the second or third round.

 

[gimmesix]

We dont want another pollard.

OK. I'm against drafting Pro Bowl running backs, too, I guess?

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I don't agree that a running back in the first would be a mistake, but I do agree that the odds seem to favor this year being able to find one in the second or third round.

If you (or anyone) has the time for a deep dive into the subject of first round RB's, here is an interesting article. Very long though...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2023/...ound-1-risk-value-cost-picking-bijan-robinson

 

[gimmesix]

If you (or anyone) has the time for a deep dive into the subject of first round RB's, here is an interesting article. Very long though...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2023/...ound-1-risk-value-cost-picking-bijan-robinson

I do agree in general with not using a top 10 pick on a running back. At the position we're drafting, I just want the best player to help our team improve. Check that, I really want a DT or OL to bolster the trenches, but if Bijan is there, I would have absolutely no problem with Dallas picking him because of what he can potentially bring to the team for the next five years.

We're paying Pollard $10 million this year to be the No. 1 back coming off surgery. I certainly see no issue having a starting RB under contract cheaper than that for at least the next three years. Maybe we'll find it in the second or third round, but it's pretty much universally agreed on that Bijan is one of the 10 best players in this draft, so the possibility of him being that type of player is better.

Most likely he's going to be gone, though, so the choice will pit the second-best back (Gibbs) against whoever else is available. I won't mind Gibbs because he's a weapon we can use, but I would lean toward some other positions because of the higher possibility this year of finding a quality back in the second or third.

 

[starfan1]

If they're going to use him like they did Zeke early on then I'd be all for it. I have more faith that they might actually do so now that Moore is gone. The whole "you don't take a running back..." yadda yadda yadda argument has never made sense to me. If you can get an all pro caliber player who is going to average 300+ touches a year for 5 years why the hell would you pass on that? Think about this.. If Zeke never plays another down in the NFL he will retire with more touches than every receiver that has ever played not named Jerry Rice. If you can get that level of impact for 5-6 years you take it and not look back.

I was vehementlly against drafting Zeke at 4 I wanted a QB actually but i also would have taken jalen before zeke. I think that with the line we had we could have picked a number of backs that could have given us his production. That said at 26 and not needing as much Id be open to bijan simply because Im told he is a combination of Zeke and Pollard. It would depend on who else is available because this is a deep RB draft. We really could use a Og and DT if I think those 2 positions should be at the forefront of the cowboys draft board

 

[doomsday9084]

If I told you that the Cowboys drafted a WR with 4.3 speed in the 2nd round who you could get 20 touches to a game all over the field, people would be over their heads. Jahmyr Gibbs is simply a weapon who would line up frequently in the backfield.

I generally disagree with the idea that the RB position is meaningless in today's NFL. Just because the past OC was rather unimaginative doesn't make the position useless. The only guy who touches the ball more is the QB. Having a multi faceted weapon in the backfield makes everyone better.

Same goes for Bijan.

I would be pretty disappointed if they drafted a G in the first round who is only marginally better than a vet min pick up. If they go guard with the first pick, that dude better be Larry Allen.

 

[RonnieT24]

If I told you that the Cowboys drafted a WR with 4.3 speed in the 2nd round who you could get 20 touches to a game all over the field, people would be over their heads. Jahmyr Gibbs is simply a weapon who would line up frequently in the backfield.

I generally disagree with the idea that the RB position is meaningless in today's NFL. Just because the past OC was rather unimaginative doesn't make the position useless. The only guy who touches the ball more is the QB. Having a multi faceted weapon in the backfield makes everyone better.

Same goes for Bijan.

I would be pretty disappointed if they drafted a G in the first round who is only marginally better than a vet min pick up. If they go guard with the first pick, that dude better be Larry Allen.

Hey they took Martin with an even higher pick than 26 and that seems to have worked out. Though even he aint better than Larry Allen. Larry was one of one.. It's not even rational to compare other mortals to him. But we both agree that the only reason the RB position is "meaningless" is you got all these wannabe geniuses trying to show how smart they are throwing the ball. There is only one QB/Coach combo who has been consistently great without a serviceable running attack and that's Mahomes/Reid. Everybody else is pretending. I like Gibbs too but didn't he measure out to being kinda small? Like under 200 pounds? I don't think that's what you need to pair with Pollard. I don't think he's touching it 15-20 times a game in the NFL at that size. But he'd look pretty good as Pollard's replacement next year wouldn't he? But the Cowboys still need that between the tackles bruiser.. and Gibbs aint it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If he did fall that far Jerry would be like a rabid dog, not sure Stephen could hold him back

Probably not. At least its much better than Zeke at 4. Robinson is a better back and 26 is different then 4.

 

[Chuck 54]

Forget RB or TE or DT in round 1. Dallas will not take those positions in round 1, not this year, and usually never.

Round one, if they can’t trade back…..CB, Pass Rusher, OL, or WR. History and the value of positions point this way. Personally, I’d love if the Cowboys could trade back and get an extra 2nd or 3rd.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

RB is arguably the easiest position for a rookie to transition to from college.

Therefore you can get real value and excellent players deeper in the draft. Now if Bijah falls to us (stranger things have happened) then you have to really look hard at picking him.

But other than that no RB in the first three rounds.

Bijan has a good shot to be as good as rookie Zeke. That kind of contribution is worth 26.
A TE's upside is Ferguson last year or a little better.
DT would be a massive upgrade.
LB would start but come out in the dime.
OG/OT wouldn't start until someone got injured.
WR would play about half the offensive snaps but WR output is variable its hard to predict.

 

[Amarillofan82]

At 26... yeah I will take Bijan if he actually falls that far. Only way I pass him is if a high graded DT falls to us, If none of those 2 options are available. Then it is BPA besides TE. For some reason, I just don't want a TE taken in the 1st. I would rather trade out of 1st than take a TE.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

OK. I'm against drafting Pro Bowl running backs, too, I guess?

Because all running backs have the same skill set and run the same offenses. And all that results in auto matic pro bo running backs
Too
I guess?

We already have a "tony pollard". Why draft one now? If they are so easy to get.
Lets draft a *name* that sets his own bar and *name*. Pollard. Zeke. Demarco. Emmitt. Dorsett. Whos next?

 

[gtb1943]

It amuses me the knee jerks at taking a TE in the first. Football 101 is that a TE is what lubricates a top offense. Its the oil that makes all the other cogs work
Blocking as another Tackle; red zone and third down bread and butter; making all the other parts more dangerous. Those wanting a downfield threat from TE have idiocy on the brain; sure there have been a few but in the end they were not worth it overall because they were deficient in other critical areas. And that is beyond being the comfort blanket and safety valve for the QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

At 26... yeah I will take Bijan if he actually falls that far. Only way I pass him is if a high graded DT falls to us, If none of those 2 options are available. Then it is BPA besides TE. For some reason, I just don't want a TE taken in the 1st. I would rather trade out of 1st than take a TE.

Triggered.



And yep! So am i! Scarred even.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It amuses me the knee jerks at taking a TE in the first. Football 101 is that a TE is what lubricates a top offense. Its the oil that makes all the other cogs work
Blocking as another Tackle; red zone and third down bread and butter; making all the other parts more dangerous. Those wanting a downfield threat from TE have idiocy on the brain; sure there have been a few but in the end they were not worth it overall because they were deficient in other critical areas. And that is beyond being the comfort blanket and safety valve for the QB.

I just made fun....but im on record as saying a mfer of a te would do us good.
We just havent done well in a long time about it.

 

[kskboys]

You take Bijan if he's there if he's not then you take DT if there's a great prospect with a first round grade

You DO NOT under any circumstances take a TE....you just don't unless he's Kelce out of the gate then NO and he better get 1400 yards his rookie year

There are no Kelce's in this draft. Not sure any of them are an upgrade to Fergie.