Faulk on Rich Eisen Show

[ElGatoGrande]

I know, I was just trying to figure out EGG's logic.

My point is that even though the run-pass percentages are the same as 2014 the defensive fronts being faced are not the same,,, so Faulk's observations are not dispelled.

 

[jday]

Is Faulk implying that what Tony does at the line is disadvantageous to the team or Zeke? ..Romo would have killed the Giants in the opener for bringing their Safeties up.

I say the team led by Dak today with Zeke 6 games smarter would win that game.

 

[percyhoward]

Men lie, women lie, numbers lie.

Here come some more lyin' numbers...

The main reason we're passing just as much this year with Prescott as we did in 2014 with Romo is the big change on first down play selection. These numbers are from the 1st half of games, which is when the offense has had most of its success.

2016
pass 42.7% (8.8 yd avg gain)
run 57.3% (4.9 yd avg gain)

2014
pass 32.4% (8.4 yd avg gain)
run 67.6% (4.7 yd avg gain)

 

[roughneck266]

That's true with either QB.

Yes it is, but it becomes a little more so when Dez is back in simply because he is a more reliable receiving threat.

 

[FiveTime]

Is Faulk implying that what Tony does at the line is disadvantageous to the team or Zeke? ..Romo would have killed the Giants in the opener for bringing their Safeties up.

I think what he means is that Zeke would get less carries because Tony will recognize a bad run fit and check out of it. He was giving a huge compliment to the OL saying that they are basically providing space for Zeke when the better option was to audible to a pass.

 

[jday]

Yes it is, but it becomes a little more so when Dez is back in simply because he is a more reliable receiving threat.

That's what I was saying...both Dak and Romo have the ability to take advantage of Dez one on one.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I don't quite follow Faulk's logic in the second half of the video. To me, what he seems to be saying is that Dak, because of his inexperience, doesn't know to audible out of looks the defense gives him that are geared to stop the run, and so the team runs it anyways and beats the opponent. Whereas, with Romo, he is experienced and smart enough to do what the coaching and logic dictates, i.e., change the offense to something else that should work against a stacked-run defense, and this fails to beat the opponent?

This entirely counter intuitive and against logic. But this also means that Dak doesn't really provide any advantage at all because Romo could do the same thing and not audible out of and change the play - or whatever - of such a scenario (this would be on the coaches) and just run the play as is, and so defeats whatever argument Faulk is trying to put forward.

 

[percyhoward]

My point is that even though the run-pass percentages are the same as 2014 the defensive fronts being faced are not the same,,, so Faulk's observations are not dispelled.

If Faulk was right, that means either we'd be running more, or defenses respected Romo less than Prescott.

Either we're just calling a lot more pass plays on first down, or Dak is checking out of runs on first down more often than Romo did.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Here come some more lyin' numbers...

The main reason we're passing just as much this year with Prescott as we did in 2014 with Romo is the big change on first down play selection. These numbers are from the 1st half of games, which is when the offense has had most of its success.

2016
pass 42.7% (8.8 yd avg gain)
run 57.3% (4.9 yd avg gain)

2014
pass 32.4% (8.4 yd avg gain)
run 67.6% (4.7 yd avg gain)

Get your thing off with your numbers. The actual game and situations are different from play to play and game to game.

6 games have been played thus far. Tony has played 10 years. Those are the numbers that matter to me. Loyalty matters in my world.

 

[Jstopper]

That's true with either QB.

No it's not. That is the reason we lost to the Giants. Prescott takes way less chances than Romo and he doesn't throw the 50/50 ball down the field to Dez. Romo stretches the field much more than Dak and his passing game is more of a threat

 

[dogunwo]

Get your thing off with your numbers. The actual game and situations are different from play to play and game to game.

6 games have been played thus far. Tony has played 10 years. Those are the numbers that matter to me. Loyalty matters in my world.

Wow, you just took a flame thrower to percy, tell us why you really mad girl.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

If Faulk was right, that means either we'd be running more, or defenses respected Romo less than Prescott.

We're just calling a lot more pass plays on first down.

Okay, let's try this:

In 2014 the Cowboys face 50 stop-the-run fronts and 100 regular or stop-the-pass fronts because teams fear the pass more than the run.

In 2016 the Cowboys face 100 stop-the-run fronts and 50 regular or stop-the-pass fronts because teams fear the run more than the pass.

And yet the run-pass percentages are the same for both years,,, why? possibly because Dak isn't changing the play to get a perceived advantage. If he did, the team would have a bigger passing play percentage than they did in 2014.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Wow, you just took a flame thrower to percy, tell us why you really mad girl.

That's not mad (translated angry woman). Just expressing my opinion just like everyone else .... Just not "all day all day".

 

[Sepia]

Rarely do I agree with the well documented Cowboy hater Faulk.

This is one of those times however.

He seems smitten by Dak and Zeke. Before Week 1, he predicted Dak would take us to the playoffs.

 

[percyhoward]

In 2014 the Cowboys face 50 stop-the-run fronts and 100 regular or stop-the-pass fronts because teams fear pass more than the run.

In 2016 the Cowboys face 100 stop-the-run fronts and 50 regular or stop-the-pass fronts because teams fear the run more than the pass.

That's why it's strange for Faulk to say that Romo's return would add up to fewer carries for Elliott. Look at 1st-half play selection on first down in 2014.

 

[Idgit]

There's a popular misconception that we're running more with Prescott than we did with Romo. This is our play selection so far after removing plays when leading by more than 10 points inside the last 5:00 of the game.

2016
run 179 (48.4%)
pass 191 (51.6%)

2014
run 468 (48.2%)
pass 503 (51.8%)

That was my take listening to Faulk: interesting take, I bet it's easy to disprove with our actual play selection.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

That's why it's strange for Faulk to say that Romo's return would add up to fewer carries for Elliott. Look at 1st-half play selection on first down in 2014.

Alright, I see what you're saying,,, so Faulk's logic would require teams to still fear the run more than the pass even if Romo was in there,,, which is possible because of the strength of the running game.

 

[jday]

No it's not. That is the reason we lost to the Giants. Prescott takes way less chances than Romo and he doesn't throw the 50/50 ball down the field to Dez. Romo stretches the field much more than Dak and his passing game is more of a threat

We will revisit that question following the Eagles game. Dak has come a long way since the Giants. So has Linahan.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What's missing from those stats are how many times the team is currently facing "stop-the-run" fronts vs what they were facing in 2014.

True, but we ran a lot against 8 or 9 in the box in 2014. The 2nd Philly game was a good example. And I was all for it. In the past if teams showed 8 or 9 man fronts hellbent on stopping the run, it was an automatic audible into a pass. Teams were able to easily dictate what we did on offense by simply showing one look and then changing the look.

I hate to say a 'commitment to the running game', but that's what it was in 2014. A commitment to using a strength of ours (run game) to help Romo become an even more efficient QB. It also plays to this scheme in general which is predicated on being able to run the ball to work with the longer pass routes and the play action which Tony is great at.

What Faulk misses out on this is that Dak stretches the field horizontally because he can bootleg in both directions well and is hard for the weakside container to catch if he reads the bootleg correctly. That makes 10 vs. 10 on a running play instead of 11 vs. 10 if the weakside containment sticks with Dak. To me, it's pretty obvious...if you can stretch the field vertically it helps the *passing* game and if you stretch the field horizontally, it helps the run game. With Romo and Dez coming back, we'll pass the ball very well and be more explosive if they return to their old form. But I think it takes away from the run game because Romo isn't as effective on the bootleg, especially bootlegging left.





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[rynochop]

I've always wondered about Faulks almost blatant hate for the Cowboys. It's not like we were ever a rival of a team he played on, maybe it's Romo he doesn't like