Favre was a great player but he is no hero

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One could argue that Favre is the greatest QB of all time. When Favre was at his prime, I thought he was the best ever because he could improvise, run, stand in the pocket and just single-handedly take over games.

What bothers me about Favre is this hero worship he gets. Favre called Randy Moss and asked him to join the Packers. When Moss refused, Favre decided to retire because he knew he couldn't win a championship. The media likes to suggest that Favre played these last 3 years because he has this "child-like" enthusiasm about the game. Give me a break, he kept playing because he wanted to surpass the passing records. Funny that Favre decides to retire now after he has already surpassed the passing records despite his team being more competitive than ever. If it was his love for the game and his "childlike enthusiasm" for the game, he would have kept playing. I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

I just think it's funny how Favre was praised for being a competitor and loving the game when he was just being selfish and trying to surpass Marino's records at his teams' expense. Yes, he had several lackluster seasons but he didn't care about his teams' fate because he wanted to play and break Marino's records. When he finally played well and helped his team compete, he decides to quit...gee, I wonder why?

I'm going to remember Favre as a great competitor and one of the best QB's of all time. However, he is not a hero in my opinion. He is not this selfless person who put his team above himself. Sorry, Favre was just another selfish competitor who looked out for himself but was treated like a hero because of his personality.
 

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Good post, but...

Most athletes aren't heroes. The media makes them that way. You could say this about hundreds of athletes.
 

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Future;1985583 said:
Good post, but...

Most athletes aren't heroes. The media makes them that way. You could say this about hundreds of athletes.

I would agree with that but I just find it funny the media and public has decided to make Favre this mythic character and hero when he was just a selfish competitor and great player.
 

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He was a great player and he's retired, can we talk about active players now.......
 

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mr.jameswoods;1985582 said:
I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

A lot of people forget about this. Walker was going into his last year, had put up career numbers the year before and wanted to sign a longer deal so he threatened to hold out.

The mighty Favre went to the media (not Javon personally) and told them Javon should get his butt to camp.

Javon gets mad, but since the mighty Favre has spoken, he showed up to camp and says forget the hold out. He then proceeds to blow out his knee and the Packers, instead of rewarding him for showing up and giving him time to fully heal, ship him to the Broncos.

Where he ends up befriending a guy on the team that winds up dying in his arms after a shooting. Hurts his knee yet again, and gets relegated to 2nd man on the totem pole behind Brandon Marshall.

All because Favre didn't stick by a team mate and say, hey, I want him around. Pay the man. or at least have the decency to keep his mouth shut and let Walker get his money after the guy had signed a 100 million dollar deal himself.
 

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A lot of people forget about this. Walker was going into his last year, had put up career numbers the year before and wanted to sign a longer deal so he threatened to hold out.

The mighty Favre went to the media (not Javon personally) and told them Javon should get his butt to camp.

Javon gets mad, but since the mighty Favre has spoken, he showed up to camp and says forget the hold out. He then proceeds to blow out his knee and the Packers, instead of rewarding him for showing up and giving him time to fully heal, ship him to the Broncos.

Where he ends up befriending a guy on the team that winds up dying in his arms after a shooting. Hurts his knee yet again, and gets relegated to 2nd man on the totem pole behind Brandon Marshall.

All because Favre didn't stick by a team mate and say, hey, I want him around. Pay the man. or at least have the decency to keep his mouth shut and let Walker get his money after the guy had signed a 100 million dollar deal himself.
I agree. That was selfish. Just like waiting til after the draft to tell the team if you're gonna retire and forcing them to draft a QB(Rodgers). Favre's a top 10 ever, but I personally get sick at all the Favre koolaid the media's been sippin. His style and personality was likeable and his personal issues made you feel for him, but it went overboard too much for my bearing that I stopped watching games when he was on TV. Thankfully, they didnt go to overboard against the Boys cause it seemed like you couldnt watch a game this season without seeing a new record being broken by Favre.




He also kinda dissed his teammates by SOMEWHAT implying they cant win a championship without Moss. Winning 13 games again next year isnt guaranteed(ask the Bears), but to ask for Randy one minute and then retire the next day is a little selfish and disrespectful to his teammates IMO.
 

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Well Favre is the best QB I've ever seen play but someone sent me this and thought it was pretty good.

Brett Favre, after living a full life, died. When he got to
heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house
with a faded Packers' flag in the window.

"This house is yours for eternity, Brett," said God. "This is
very special; not everyone gets a house up here."

Brett felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house.

On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner.
It was a 3-story mansion with a blue and silver sidewalk, a 50 foot tall
flagpole with an enormous Dallas Cowboys' flag, and in every window a
Cowboys silver star.

Brett looked at God and said, "God, I'm not trying to be
ungrateful, but I have a question. I was an all-pro QB, I won a Super
Bowl, and I even went to the Hall of Fame."

God said, "So what do you want to know, Brett?"

"Well, why does Tony Romo get a better house than me?"

God chuckled and said, "Brett, that's not Tony Romo's house; it's mine."
 

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Little Jr;1985629 said:
Well Favre is the best QB I've ever seen play but someone sent me this and thought it was pretty good.

when did you start watching football ?

I feel the same exact way as the guy who started this thread its a shame how people don't see it that way i would also like to add brett farve's addiction to pain killers and beating his wife
 

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I agree to some extent with alot of the points made in this thread about Favre's clandestine selfishness, but here's my thought...

Sure woulda been cool as hell to have had him under center for the Cowboys the past 10 years or so. knowImsayin;)
 

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The Panch;1985633 said:

I could have swore I changed that. Thats how it was sent to me and I noticed it to. Oh well. It's chaged now.
 

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DaBoys4Life;1985634 said:
when did you start watching football ?

I feel the same exact way as the guy who started this thread its a shame how people don't see it that way i would also like to add brett farve's addiction to pain killers and beating his wife

I'm 34. I been watching since I can remember. Why you ask?
 

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Little Jr;1985642 said:
I'm 34. I been watching since I can remember. Why you ask?

The question then becomes.....How long do you remember watching football?
 

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ROMOSAPIEN9;1985644 said:
The question then becomes.....How long do you remember watching football?

LOL!! I guess I remember since I was about 4 yrs old. I didnt watch it every Sunday. I watch mostly Cowboy and Oiler game since I live in Houston. I started watching every SUnday and really getting into when I was about 16 maybe 17. So roughly since 90. Again what is the point?
 

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Little Jr;1985649 said:
LOL!! I guess I remember since I was about 4 yrs old. I didnt watch it every Sunday. I watch mostly Cowboy and Oiler game since I live in Houston. I started watching every SUnday and really getting into when I was about 16 maybe 17. So roughly since 90. Again what is the point?

you said brett farve was the greatest QB you ever saw play the game so i figured u hadn't been watching for long .:laugh2:
 

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I would have to agree with you...

I thought this article is apt:

Favre From HeavenWHY JOURNALISTS DEIFY THE GREEN BAY PACKERS QUARTERBACK.
By Robert Weintraub
Posted Tuesday, March 4, 2008, at 11:02 AM ET
Brett Favre
On Tuesday morning, Foxsports.com reported that legendary Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre is set to retire from football. In the coming days, scores of writers will no doubt celebrate Favre's on-field heroics and his off-the-field life. Back in 2005, Robert Weintraub explained why the quarterback is the most praised athlete of his generation. The piece is reprinted below.

Brett Favre isn't just a future NFL Hall of Famer. The Green Bay Packers quarterback is also a regular dude. Just ask anybody who writes about Favre or talks about him on television. The Packers play Minnesota in the first round of the playoffs late on Sunday afternoon, a time slot that promises plenty of shots of Favre heroically framed in the rural Wisconsin gloaming while worshipful announcers compose loving odes to his talents as a player, husband, father, and man. It's enough to make you want to root for Randy Moss.
As the disconnect between multimillionaire athletes and ticket-buying fans widens, few players have retained the "jes' folks" status of the Packers star QB. Only a few football players—almost all of them white quarterbacks, from Bobby Layne to Kenny Stabler to Terry Bradshaw—are granted special friend and neighbor status. These are the guys whom you could just as easily envision working at the mill and chopping wood on the front stoop as hurling touchdown passes on Monday Night Football.

Because he's just a regular dude, Favre is one of us even when he screws up. Favre received almost no criticism last January when his boneheaded overtime heave cost the Packers last year's divisional playoff against Philadelphia. In this year's rematch, the Eagles demolished the Pack by 30 points, in no small part due to Favre's poor play. After the game, ESPN.com's Michael Smith wrote that the "impossible happened Sunday. My opinion of Favre grew." What towering feat did Favre accomplish? He showed his disdain for personal statistics by pulling himself out of the game when the Pack were losing 47-3 even though his 36-game touchdown streak was at stake. Keep in mind, this is the same guy who went into the fetal position to allow Michael Strahan to break the single-season sack record.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King is probably the quarterback's most eager lap dog and the writer most responsible for celebrating Favre's rural lifestyle. "On the morning he had to leave his beloved home and 465 acres in Hattiesburg, Miss., to report to training camp, he began to think this might be his last camp," King wrote in January 2003. "A private plane stood by at a nearby airstrip for the two-and-half-hour flight to Green Bay. … And there he was, sweating a stream while edging a mile of his property where it meets the road, refusing to leave till he finished the job." In short, Favre is the guy next door—I bet that private jet is up on blocks in his front yard.
To King's credit, he's conscious of his reputation as Favre's Boswell. "Oh no! King on Favre again!" he wrote in the same article. "King's all over this guy! Please, just one column without mentioning Favre's name! And we beg you: Don't tell us what entree you had with him! Sickening!" (The italics are not mine.) That self-awareness didn't stop King from contributing a chapter to Favre, the just-released memoir that No. 4 co-wrote with his mother, Bonita. As Favre's tome shot to the top of the bestseller lists, Terrell Owens' autobiography, Catch This!, failed to find an audience.
Favre and Owens make for an intriguing contrast. If you've watched even a single Green Bay game in the last few seasons, you've heard the misfortune that has befallen the quarterback recently: the death of his father, the death of his brother-in-law, his wife's cancer diagnosis. This year's Monday Night Football opener featured a halftime retrospective on Favre's relationship with his father, complete with home movies showing a mop-topped Brett in shoulder pads and Irvin Favre looking on approvingly from his easy chair. Another Monday night game earlier this year that unfortunately coincided with his wife's battle with cancer occasioned a sit-down with ESPN's Suzy Kolber that included such hard-hitting queries as "Where would you be without her?" and "How would you compare your toughness to your wife Deanna's toughness?"
While Favre is lionized for playing through tragedy, Terrell Owens' success has never been given the same kind of context. As Catch This! reveals, the fact that T.O. made it to the NFL is a miracle. Owens, who grew up destitute and fatherless in backwater Alabama, wasn't allowed to leave his front yard as a child for fear of getting whipped. Favre grew up in small town bliss surrounded by his loving family. Not to demean the loss of loved ones, but who has overcome more here? Why is every hurdle Favre has jumped over presented as the Pillars of Hercules, while a guy like Owens is dismissed as a loudmouth?
No one doubts Favre's Hall of Fame credentials—three MVP awards, a Super Bowl ring, 200-plus consecutive starts, and an ability to laser the ball between defenders even at age 35. On the other hand, it's fairly obvious that Favre has been propped up these past few years by his All-Pro running back, Ahman Green. Here's a guy who plays hurt and plays well, hails from a red state, and is by all accounts a solid citizen who runs youth football camps in his hometown. Yet Ahman gets props only for his yards—I have no clue what tragedies he's had to overcome. I guess he's just not a regular dude.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1985582 said:
One could argue that Favre is the greatest QB of all time. When Favre was at his prime, I thought he was the best ever because he could improvise, run, stand in the pocket and just single-handedly take over games.

What bothers me about Favre is this hero worship he gets. Favre called Randy Moss and asked him to join the Packers. When Moss refused, Favre decided to retire because he knew he couldn't win a championship. The media likes to suggest that Favre played these last 3 years because he has this "child-like" enthusiasm about the game. Give me a break, he kept playing because he wanted to surpass the passing records. Funny that Favre decides to retire now after he has already surpassed the passing records despite his team being more competitive than ever. If it was his love for the game and his "childlike enthusiasm" for the game, he would have kept playing. I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

I just think it's funny how Favre was praised for being a competitor and loving the game when he was just being selfish and trying to surpass Marino's records at his teams' expense. Yes, he had several lackluster seasons but he didn't care about his teams' fate because he wanted to play and break Marino's records. When he finally played well and helped his team compete, he decides to quit...gee, I wonder why?

I'm going to remember Favre as a great competitor and one of the best QB's of all time. However, he is not a hero in my opinion. He is not this selfless person who put his team above himself. Sorry, Favre was just another selfish competitor who looked out for himself but was treated like a hero because of his personality.

Yeah, okay what's your point?

If I was 12 (and a Packer fan) I would be crushed he retired...He probably would have be my hero. And frankly that's what all sports hero's are or should be. Hero's in the hearts and minds of kids. None of what you said would make a hill of beans difference to me.

Now, being a 41 year old man, well, it still doesn't mean squat. Sports is a business and how, when and why he chose now to retire is up to him alone. You think he was selfish, I just enjoyed watching him play. I'm a football fan and he was a great football player.

And by the way, take the money out of the game and lets see who would really play for free.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1985582 said:
One could argue that Favre is the greatest QB of all time. When Favre was at his prime, I thought he was the best ever because he could improvise, run, stand in the pocket and just single-handedly take over games.

What bothers me about Favre is this hero worship he gets. Favre called Randy Moss and asked him to join the Packers. When Moss refused, Favre decided to retire because he knew he couldn't win a championship. The media likes to suggest that Favre played these last 3 years because he has this "child-like" enthusiasm about the game. Give me a break, he kept playing because he wanted to surpass the passing records. Funny that Favre decides to retire now after he has already surpassed the passing records despite his team being more competitive than ever. If it was his love for the game and his "childlike enthusiasm" for the game, he would have kept playing. I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

I just think it's funny how Favre was praised for being a competitor and loving the game when he was just being selfish and trying to surpass Marino's records at his teams' expense. Yes, he had several lackluster seasons but he didn't care about his teams' fate because he wanted to play and break Marino's records. When he finally played well and helped his team compete, he decides to quit...gee, I wonder why?

I'm going to remember Favre as a great competitor and one of the best QB's of all time. However, he is not a hero in my opinion. He is not this selfless person who put his team above himself. Sorry, Favre was just another selfish competitor who looked out for himself but was treated like a hero because of his personality.
Clarification, he's not a hero to you. Who are you to say he's can't be a hero to a kid in Wisconsin or Mississippi? For that matter who are you to say he can't be a hero to a kid in Minnesota, Illinois, or Michigan, the homes of his biggest rivals? I think it's entirely possible that his personality is what makes him a hero to some of the people who do see him as a hero. Sort of the same way I see Roger Staubach as a hero. A hero is anyone whom you look up to, who inspires you. I see no reason why anyone should say Favre is not a hero, and think that because they say so, that is that. Even if I didn't put a premium on competitiveness I could see why Favre could be someone's hero.
 
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