Favre was a great player but he is no hero

[Hostile]

I don't need the rest of the world to believe. ONly you and a few others believe what you wrote. he played for the love of the game. He played for the competition. Nobody but the people that don't like him spin it the way you see it. Just because you believe it does not make it true. If it was as transparent as you said, then many in the media would have picked up on it. Still waiting to see it.

So you must believe that FAvre is a liar and a fake. Is that your belief?

I get a kick out of questions like that. They are self defeating.

If that is his belief or opinion what could you possibly respond with that he is going to acknowledge? It's like asking someone if they like Coke or Pepsi and then telling them why what they prefer is wrong.

 

[FloridaRob]

Please. Favre could say he played for the love of Xenu, and the media would think it was great. They've been bowing to Favre for years.

He came back year after year for the records. The love of the game would have motivated him to come back on a playoff team this season, when he trudged his way through his and the Packers suckiness for 2 years and 47 interceptions.

Be as naive as you want to be. You know why he came back over and over, and you know why he retired. He got the records he was after. It was for selfish reasons. That's not a knock on him, he's earned the right to be as selfish as he wants to be, and the Packers certainly never had the stones to stand up to him, since he was bigger than the team. I don't think it's a knock against him, nor do I see the need to saint him with "he just kept playing for love of the game, the records didn't matter". Stow it. That's nonsense, and you know it, whether your Brett Favre man love will allow you to admit it or not.

Again, to believe what you do means that FAvre is a liar and a fake because that is completely different that what he has said, what anybody that knows him has said, and anybody that has covered him has said. Go ahead and admit you believe that. That at least will excuse your ignorance.

 

[superpunk]

I get a kick out of questions like that. They are self defeating.

If that is his belief or opinion what could you possibly respond with that he is going to acknowledge? It's like asking someone if they like Coke or Pepsi and then telling them why what they prefer is wrong.

It's not a coincidence that such nonsense went completely ignored in my response.

 

[FloridaRob]

I get a kick out of questions like that. They are self defeating.

If that is his belief or opinion what could you possibly respond with that he is going to acknowledge? It's like asking someone if they like Coke or Pepsi and then telling them why what they prefer is wrong.

not really. if he says that he believe he is lying, then I just ignore him. Can't argue with ignorance.....

 

[superpunk]

Again, to believe what you do means that FAvre is a liar and a fake because that is completely different that what he has said, what anybody that knows him has said, and anybody that has covered him has said. Go ahead and admit you believe that. That at least will excuse your ignorance.

I believe that Favre knows what people want to hear. Favre knows how to play the media, Favre knows how to play the fans. He knows that "I just love the game, I can't leave it yet" will be better received than "I'd like to stick around, set some records and cement my legacy." I'm sure he does love the game - you couldn't play for that long if you didn't. But the notion that this was his only motivation, and he was completely unmotivated by the pursuit of records, and it was merely coincidence that he retired after attaining said records, is completely naive. I'm not a child, I don't buy that Pollyanna stuff.

 

[FloridaRob]

I believe that Favre knows what people want to hear. Favre knows how to play the media, Favre knows how to play the fans. He knows that "I just love the game, I can't leave it yet" will be better received than "I'd like to stick around, set some records and cement my legacy." I'm sure he does love the game - you couldn't play for that long if you didn't. But the notion that this was his only motivation, and he was completely unmotivated by the pursuit of records, and it was merely coincidence that he retired after attaining said records, is completely naive. I'm not a child, I don't buy that Pollyanna stuff.

ok, you believe he is a liar and a fake. Nothing else to say here. And I am sure the color of his jersey has everything to do with your opinion. If he had a blue star on his helment, you would have a "pollyanna" belief in such nonsense.

 

[WarC]

Since when did selfishly driving for goals and championships become a negative? To claim that Favre is less of a "hero" because he was aware of and possibly strode for the records he ended up beating is to put a preconceived, entirely personal moral judgement on not only HIS accomplishments but those of ALL NFL players. To put such a limitation on Favre's work is to imply that somewhere out there in the Twilight Zone is a player who never, ever thinks about or drives for good stats. That player, my friends, does not exist in the NFL - That player never left the highschool practice squad.

 

[khiladi]

One could argue that Favre is the greatest QB of all time. When Favre was at his prime, I thought he was the best ever because he could improvise, run, stand in the pocket and just single-handedly take over games.

What bothers me about Favre is this hero worship he gets. Favre called Randy Moss and asked him to join the Packers. When Moss refused, Favre decided to retire because he knew he couldn't win a championship. The media likes to suggest that Favre played these last 3 years because he has this "child-like" enthusiasm about the game. Give me a break, he kept playing because he wanted to surpass the passing records. Funny that Favre decides to retire now after he has already surpassed the passing records despite his team being more competitive than ever. If it was his love for the game and his "childlike enthusiasm" for the game, he would have kept playing. I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

I just think it's funny how Favre was praised for being a competitor and loving the game when he was just being selfish and trying to surpass Marino's records at his teams' expense. Yes, he had several lackluster seasons but he didn't care about his teams' fate because he wanted to play and break Marino's records. When he finally played well and helped his team compete, he decides to quit...gee, I wonder why?

I'm going to remember Favre as a great competitor and one of the best QB's of all time. However, he is not a hero in my opinion. He is not this selfless person who put his team above himself. Sorry, Favre was just another selfish competitor who looked out for himself but was treated like a hero because of his personality.

You can still love to play the game and want passing records...

They don't have to be mutually exclusive....

 

[WarC]

I've decided that Alexander the Great is not great - For his conquests were the result of his own selfishness and vanity, in the purposeful expansion of his kingdom!

 

[superpunk]

ok, you believe he is a liar and a fake. Nothing else to say here. And I am sure the color of his jersey has everything to do with your opinion. If he had a blue star on his helment, you would have a "pollyanna" belief in such nonsense.

I believe Emmitt did the same thing. So much for your theory.

Favre knows what the fans want to hear. He knows what FloridaRob wants to hear so he can continue his idolization and keep Favre on demi-god status, a true warrior who was completely unselfish and childlike in his approach to the game. And continuing to feed that perception makes him a very smart man, not a liar or a fake. He loved the game, no doubt. But it's extremely naive to believe that was his only motivation, everything considered. I understand why you want to do it, to maintain that perception and keep him on a lofty pedestal.

Just don't expect the rest of us to join in your dreamworld.

You can still love to play the game and want passing records...

They don't have to be mutually exclusive....

Well put.

 

[khiladi]

I've decided that Alexander the Great is not great - For his conquests were the result of his own selfishness and vanity, in the purposeful expansion of his kingdom!

Actually, he was pretty over-rated. He won one real battle, and the rest were petty skirmishes against nomadic tribes.

When he set foot in India, his army got whalloped, and he had to return home with a bunch of malcontents, who were wondering what the hell was the objective of the 'conquests' in the first place.

 

[FloridaRob]

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Just don't expect the rest of us to join in your dreamworld.



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apparently you are one of only a few that have the "real view" of things. Excuse me if I would rather defer to the people that know him best, played with him, practiced with him, know him personally, privatetly and professionaly, interviewed him hundreds of times and share a completely different view of the man than you do. But you know he is a liar and a fake. INcredible....

 

[superpunk]

apparently you are one of only a few that have the "real view" of things. Excuse me if I would rather defer to the people that know him best, played with him, practiced with him, know him personally, privatetly and professionaly, interviewed him hundreds of times and share a completely different view of the man than you do. But you know he is a liar and a fake. INcredible....

If you want to keep perpetuating this nonsense, go ahead. I never said he was a liar, or a fake. He obviously loves the game. He also knows what people want to hear. You know why this decision came finally after this year, when his team has so much talent and you would think if it really was just about love of the game, he'd be happy to come back and go for that Lombardi. But he didn't. So what changed? What made him decide not ot come back to a team like that, when he had come back to throw to guys named Taco in years past?

He got the records. He accomplished what he wanted to.

Good for him.

 

[Hostile]

not really. if he says that he believe he is lying, then I just ignore him. Can't argue with ignorance.....

This response was fine in principle, however in practice it hasn't worked too well.

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[FloridaRob]

If you want to keep perpetuating this nonsense, go ahead. I never said he was a liar, or a fake. He obviously loves the game. He also knows what people want to hear. You know why this decision came finally after this year, when his team has so much talent and you would think if it really was just about love of the game, he'd be happy to come back and go for that Lombardi. But he didn't. So what changed? What made him decide not ot come back to a team like that, when he had come back to throw to guys named Taco in years past?

He got the records. He accomplished what he wanted to.

Good for him.

He came back in years past because he wasn't ready to quit. He still wanted to compete. He could still play at a high level and anybody watching him knew that. He played bad for two years and wasn't ready to go out on that low. He still believe he could play well, the management for the Packers believed he could play well, and while the media was saying he should quit because he sucked, he proved them wrong by playing well.

He didn't owe the Packers anything to come back for next year and play for a championship. He has played 17 yrs and always left it all on the field. He should have been selfish about coming back. The only thing that should have mattered to him was how he felt and what his family wanted. He decided mentally he could not commit to another year. It isnt a big leap to know he is telling the truth about that. he still had a record out there he could probably get. he is about 20 games short of the consecutive game streak of all time. I guess he forgot to consider that one when he was considering coming back or not.

 

[FloridaRob]

This response was fine in principle, however in practice it hasn't worked too well.

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he won't admit it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why would we? His mid-6 ypa and 47 interceptions couldn't have had much to do with the atrocity in Green Bay for those two years.

He hung on, even when he was awful, in a pretty transparent attempt to reach certain records. Which is his choice, and right. But that doesn't make it less selfish.

He was trying to force plays because he didn't have the personal to do it.

What does his 7.8avg, 259.7ypg, 28TDs to 15INT, 4100+ yards, and 95.7 rating this year tell you? What it tells me is he still has *IT*. If you still have IT and still have the desire to play, whats wrong with playing?

As I noted, football is a team game. Farve has always been a feast or famine type QB. He never threw 1 INT, he almost always threw none or 3+ in a game.

Point is; If he couldn't do it anymore, he wouldn't have done what he did this year. Well, he did it, and was one of the best QBs in the league this year.

I don't see how an Pro Bower who was selected All-Pro second team and took his team to the NFC Championship game and had almost 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio is selfish by still playing the game.

 

[superpunk]

He was trying to force plays because he didn't have the personal to do it.

What does his 7.8avg, 259.7ypg, 28TDs to 15INT, 4100+ yards, and 95.7 rating this year tell you? What it tells me is he still has *IT*. If you still have IT and still have the desire to play, whats wrong with playing?

As I noted, football is a team game. Farve has always been a feast or famine type QB. He never threw 1 INT, he almost always threw none or 3+ in a game.

Point is; If he couldn't do it anymore, he wouldn't have done what he did this year. Well, he did it, and was one of the best QBs in the league this year.

I don't see how an Pro Bower who was selected All-Pro second team and took his team to the NFC Championship game and had almost 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio is selfish by still playing the game.

He had a renaissance, and noone could tell him to quit. But it wasn't exactly being self-sacrificing going out there and sucking a few years in a row to hang on and accumulate some records. Selfishness is not derogatory, so quit painting it as such. He selfishly came back to get some records, then he quit when they'd been attained and his legacy enhanced. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nor does that mean he didn't love the game.

 

[gbrittain]

Wow...I think there are a lot of Brett Favre mind readers on the board.

He is human. A pretty darn good QB, but not the best ever. I do not know why Brett Favre chose this year to retire, but evidently some of you have direct access to Brett's mind.

I am going to take it for what it is. A great football player who is calling it quits. I do not feel the need to idolize, nor the need to minimize his career.

 

[YosemiteSam]

He had a renaissance, and noone could tell him to quit. But it wasn't exactly being self-sacrificing going out there and sucking a few years in a row to hang on and accumulate some records. Selfishness is not derogatory, so quit painting it as such. He selfishly came back to get some records, then he quit when they'd been attained and his legacy enhanced. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nor does that mean he didn't love the game.

Wow, you have some hate built up for Farve. Farve was and still is a better QB than most of the QB this league has to offer. If he wants to play, let him play. If he was a FA and still wanted to play, way more than half the NFL teams would be trying to buying the Farve groceries.

Personally, he isn't the person I would want to build my franchise around. Why, because as I said before. He is a feast or famine QB. I prefer consistency from my QB. That is something he never had a whole lot of.

It's also one trait I've see more than I like from Romo. Something I hope he grows out of.