Favre was a great player but he is no hero

[superpunk]

Wow, you have some hate built up for Farve.

If you say it enough, does it make it true?

"Oh no...someone's not deep-throating Favre's career, and his decision to go out on top, go out on his terms. Someone dares to say Favre might have been motivated to hang on even though he was hurting his team by selfish motives! How can we deal with this? I know, let's call him a hater!"

Whatever. Suck away.

 

[FloridaRob]

If you say it enough, does it make it true?

"Oh no...someone's not deep-throating Favre's career, and his decision to go out on top, go out on his terms. Someone dares to say Favre might have been motivated to hang on even though he was hurting his team by selfish motives! How can we deal with this? I know, let's call him a hater!"

Whatever. Suck away.

You are the one saying his motives were transparent and that anybody that believes otherwise is naive. I guess you are the one driving the short bus....

 

[superpunk]

You are the one saying his motives were transparent and that anybody that believes otherwise is naive. I guess you are the one driving the short bus....

Yes. If you believe he wasn't motivated at all by the pursuit of records and furthering his legacy, and that it was just coincidence that once he accomplished this, even though his team is poised to make a run, he called it quits, then I'd have to say you're extremely naive. Saint Favre could never be motivated by such worldly interests.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Leave Brett Favre Alone!

 

[superpunk]

Leave Brett Favre Alone!

Done.

There's no room for reason when Brett Favre is tugging at the heart strings.

Out.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If you say it enough, does it make it true?

"Oh no...someone's not deep-throating Favre's career, and his decision to go out on top, go out on his terms. Someone dares to say Favre might have been motivated to hang on even though he was hurting his team by selfish motives! How can we deal with this? I know, let's call him a hater!"

Whatever. Suck away.

If Farve listens to Hostile, he is in full embrace mode right about now. :laugh2:

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[WarC]

Actually, he was pretty over-rated. He won one real battle, and the rest were petty skirmishes against nomadic tribes.

Over-rated by whose estimation? The one battle you speak of is probably Issus, against Darius II of Persia. Yet he also successfully fought large-scale battles at Granicus and Gaugemela, as well as prominent sieges of Halicarnassus, Gaza, Tyre, and Persepolis.

He unified all of Greece under Macedonia, then proceeded to conquer all or parts of Gaza, Syria, Bactria, Mesopotamia, Judea, and Egypt.

As a direct result of his conquests and death, Greek descendents would rule Egypt as the Ptolemic Pharaohs...As well as spawning the Greek-ruled Seleucid and Antigonid empires. Alexander is basically responsible for most of the Hellenistic Greek tradition which serves as a cultural cornerstone for western civilization.

It wasn't until the rise of the Roman Empire that another group of people would rule over so much landmass and population.

 

[tyke1doe]

Wow...I think there are a lot of Brett Favre mind readers on the board.

He is human. A pretty darn good QB, but not the best ever. I do not know why Brett Favre chose this year to retire, but evidently some of you have direct access to Brett's mind.

I am going to take it for what it is. A great football player who is calling it quits. I do not feel the need to idolize, nor the need to minimize his career.

You are not following the script.

You MUST embrace the HATE.

It is your ... density.

 

[gbrittain]

You are not following the script.

You MUST embrace the HATE.

It is your ... density.

I know, at times I think there is only room for hate.

 

[skinsscalper]

One could argue that Favre is the greatest QB of all time. When Favre was at his prime, I thought he was the best ever because he could improvise, run, stand in the pocket and just single-handedly take over games.

What bothers me about Favre is this hero worship he gets. Favre called Randy Moss and asked him to join the Packers. When Moss refused, Favre decided to retire because he knew he couldn't win a championship. The media likes to suggest that Favre played these last 3 years because he has this "child-like" enthusiasm about the game. Give me a break, he kept playing because he wanted to surpass the passing records. Funny that Favre decides to retire now after he has already surpassed the passing records despite his team being more competitive than ever. If it was his love for the game and his "childlike enthusiasm" for the game, he would have kept playing. I also like how he asked former WR Javon Walker to show up in camp when he was holding out. Yes, that sounds like a great teammate to me.

I just think it's funny how Favre was praised for being a competitor and loving the game when he was just being selfish and trying to surpass Marino's records at his teams' expense. Yes, he had several lackluster seasons but he didn't care about his teams' fate because he wanted to play and break Marino's records. When he finally played well and helped his team compete, he decides to quit...gee, I wonder why?

I'm going to remember Favre as a great competitor and one of the best QB's of all time. However, he is not a hero in my opinion. He is not this selfless person who put his team above himself. Sorry, Favre was just another selfish competitor who looked out for himself but was treated like a hero because of his personality.

I don't understand what his motivations to play have to do with anything. Players play the game for a variety of reasons. Money, fame, an opportunity to break a cycle of poverty, personal accolades, etc. What does that have to do with Favre's contribution to the game, the league, or Green Bay.

I could care less why Favre played the game. I enjoyed HOW he played the game. Especially as a fan without any emotional investment on the outcome of the score (except for the handful of times he played Dallas). You never knew what you were going to see. A hero? A goat? An amazing completion? A bonehead INT? He was fun to watch. How could you NOT crack a smile when you saw him get up after being sacked and head butt Sapp and talk ****. That's fan stuff, right there. How could you NOT like a guy who played like that? A smile on his face the whole time.


Most of us watched this guy grow up in front of us. A wild kid that liked his beer (and almost lost his wife as a result), to a young man addicted to pain killers, to a husband that tried to help his wife through cancer, to a guy that played on Monday Night the day after his father died. You could see in his eyes that he'd spent the previous 24 hours crying his eyes out. It was tough for ME to hold the tears back when he played that game and played so well (and frankly I could care less about the Packers). In pure Favre fashion. Half of those TDs should have been incomplete or intercepted. Yet he gambled (as usual) and it paid off. It's the HUMAN things about Favre that are admirable. He ISN'T perfect. He is a lot like a lot of us.

The league is better for having a Brett Favre. I'm a more fortunate fan for getting to watch the guy play. No spin. No BS. Just that simple.

So long #4. It's been a blast.

 

[Muhast]

why are we 5 threads now on a FORMER, NON COWBOYS player?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I feel vindicated. Brett Favre, selfishly puts his own needs above his teams. He quits last year out of frustration becaue the Pack doesn't go after Randy Moss. Now, he asks to be released so he can play for another team who has a better shot at a championship. I wouldn't be suprised if Favre goes to an NFL central team or another rival. Like I said, he is arguably the greatest QB of all time but he is no hero. Again, I'm not attacking Favre. He is human and one of the better human beings in the game. I'm attacking the media and the misguided Favre fans like FloridaRob who want to deify him. Get a grip guys. Favre is as human as anyone else and he is going to do things that benefit him...just like all professional athletes have done including Emmitt Smith.

 

[FloridaRob]

I feel vindicated. Brett Favre, selfishly puts his own needs above his teams. He quits last year out of frustration becaue the Pack doesn't go after Randy Moss. Now, he asks to be released so he can play for another team who has a better shot at a championship. I wouldn't be suprised if Favre goes to an NFL central team or another rival. Like I said, he is arguably the greatest QB of all time but he is no hero. Again, I'm not attacking Favre. He is human and one of the better human beings in the game. I'm attacking the media and the misguided Favre fans like FloridaRob who want to deify him. Get a grip guys. Favre is as human as anyone else and he is going to do things that benefit him...just like all professional athletes have done including Emmitt Smith.

Deifying FAvre? You are funny as usual. Nobody has used the word hero around here but you. I am 52 yrs old and the next time I look at any ball player as a hero will be the first. People in this thread alone said he was selfish for playing last year because he just wanted records. He accomplished every record there was and guess what he still wants to play. I guess that squashes the thoughts of several that he only played to get the records now he could quit.

I have enjoyed watching FAvre play for my favorite team for the last 17 yrs. He is the most exciting QB I have ever seen play.

He has handled this retirement thing horribly. he had the chance to come back in late March but reneged on an agreement. The team then had to move on. They could not wait until the end of JUne to know whether or not he was coming back or not. Bretts indecisiveness cost him.

I really don't see it as selfish. I just don't think he knew what he wanted to do. Ever been faced with a tough decision James? Ever questioned yourself daily as to what decision you needed to make? Ever questioned your decision again after you made it? Ever changed your mind after that decision was made? Some are easier than others. I would think retiring from a Sport knowing that you can still play quite well (2nd in MVP at 38 yrs old validates that) has got to cause a man to think twice. He definetely has that right. But the Packers have the right to control how it plays out. He will not play for a Division North team this year unless Chicago or Minny wants to give a boatload of draft choices.

And for the record, he did not quit because the Packers did not get Randy Moss. You are making that up. And he never beat his wife. You making that up too. And if you paid attention to the consensus of Packer fans, most- including me, know he messed up and can't play for the Packers again.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I feel vindicated. Brett Favre, selfishly puts his own needs above his teams.

He quits last year out of frustration becaue the Pack doesn't go after Randy Moss.

Now, he asks to be released so he can play for another team who has a better shot at a championship. I wouldn't be suprised if Favre goes to an NFL central team or another rival. Like I said, he is arguably the greatest QB of all time but he is no hero. Again, I'm not attacking Favre. He is human and one of the better human beings in the game.

I'm attacking the media and the misguided Favre fans like FloridaRob who want to deify him. Get a grip guys. Favre is as human as anyone else and he is going to do things that benefit him...just like all professional athletes have done including Emmitt Smith.

He has done that more than once.

He also quit last year in the game against us. When his "chucking" of the ball into 3 DB's turned into INT's. He took himself out of the game. But we all knew that he would be miraculously ready by next game.

Agreed. He is a good guy in the NFL.

Yes and Favre has rode their sensationalism and continues to do so. That good ol' boy. Well fans like FloridaRob do deify him but you are wrong about them being misguided... they CHOOSE to go that route. They know what Favre is deep down inside. A good QB who has just played a LONG time.

He accomplished every record there was and guess what he still wants to play.

Now you know that is partially because he played as long as he has(yes that record too) AND because he was selfish and threw more than he should have... hence the INT record as well.

I have enjoyed watching FAvre play for my favorite team for the last 17 yrs. He is the most exciting QB I have ever seen play.

Exciting certainly DOESNT make him one of the greatest of all time. He doesnt even make top 10. Probably approaches the top 10 list but not in it.

He has handled this retirement thing horribly.

This one made me laugh... REAL, REAL hard... coming from you. You were the Mr. Favre representative(oddly enough on a Cowboys forum) and stated more than once that they were only rumors and he had nothing to do with them and he was not coming back. You told us like it was factual.

I really don't see it as selfish. I just don't think he knew what he wanted to do.

While it is a little of both. We all know its more of the former than the latter.

Favre is as much a DIVA as TO is... he just disguises it differently. In a dishonest way. Atleast TO is always honest.
Only Cher can rival Favre in "Farewell" Tours.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Deifying FAvre? You are funny as usual. Nobody has used the word hero around here but you. I am 52 yrs old and the next time I look at any ball player as a hero will be the first. People in this thread alone said he was selfish for playing last year because he just wanted records. He accomplished every record there was and guess what he still wants to play. I guess that squashes the thoughts of several that he only played to get the records now he could quit.

I have enjoyed watching FAvre play for my favorite team for the last 17 yrs. He is the most exciting QB I have ever seen play.

He has handled this retirement thing horribly. he had the chance to come back in late March but reneged on an agreement. The team then had to move on. They could not wait until the end of JUne to know whether or not he was coming back or not. Bretts indecisiveness cost him.

I really don't see it as selfish. I just don't think he knew what he wanted to do. Ever been faced with a tough decision James? Ever questioned yourself daily as to what decision you needed to make? Ever questioned your decision again after you made it? Ever changed your mind after that decision was made? Some are easier than others. I would think retiring from a Sport knowing that you can still play quite well (2nd in MVP at 38 yrs old validates that) has got to cause a man to think twice. He definetely has that right. But the Packers have the right to control how it plays out. He will not play for a Division North team this year unless Chicago or Minny wants to give a boatload of draft choices.

And for the record, he did not quit because the Packers did not get Randy Moss. You are making that up. And he never beat his wife. You making that up too. And if you paid attention to the consensus of Packer fans, most- including me, know he messed up and can't play for the Packers again.

I called Favre arguably the greatest QB of all time and said he was one of the best human beings in the game so I'm not a Favre basher but I think you know that. You are the ultimate Favre fan and you can't stand even a little criticism directed toward his way so you have to depict me as Favre basher to belittle the valid points I made about him.

I'm not disputing the fact that Favre had a tough decision to make, but in life we also make sacrafices and realize we can't always do what we want. Haven't you wanted to do something but realized that your decision may disrespect or dishonor someone or something close to you? What do you do in that situation? I'm not saying it's an easy decision, but I try to do what is right to the best of my ability. The Packers have sacraficed a lot for Brett Favre as well and allowed him to play when he wasn't playing his best football. He played well last year but the two years prior to that, he was an average QB and most other teams would have likely not given him the opportunity to start. The Packers allowed him to play long enough to break all the records. They asked him to come back in the Spring and he said no. Now, he wants to come back and potentially play for a rival. At some point, wouldn't you consider the feelings of the fans and those that supported you? At some point, shouldn't he accept responsibility for his actions? If he quit then shouldn't he honor his word particularly when so many Green Bay fans were hoping he wouldn't retire?

I never accused Favre of beating his wife? Please provide a URL accusing me of stating Favre beat his wife. You are making that up. I'm predicting you will be sending me an apology pretty soon because I never said that and I dare you to search all my past messages and find it. Don't just run and hide now that I've challenged you to find that evidence.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I The Packers have sacraficed a lot for Brett Favre as well and allowed him to play when he wasn't playing his best football.

This is true, but either dismissed or just not talked about.

They asked him to come back in the Spring and he said no.

There is more to that I am convinced. I think he was told that the starting QB job would not be handed to him. He would have to earn it. He didnt like that.

Now, he wants to come back and potentially play for a rival.

Its payback for McC and TT telling him he would have to earn it or quite possible they told him that he would be backup QB.

At some point, wouldn't you consider the feelings of the fans and those that supported you?

Brett is smart... he has it set up to have the fans in his favor EVEN if he went to play somewhere else.

 

[FloridaRob]

....
I never accused Favre of beating his wife? Please provide a URL accusing me of stating Favre beat his wife. You are making that up. I'm predicting you will be sending me an apology pretty soon because I never said that and I dare you to search all my past messages and find it. Don't just run and hide now that I've challenged you to find that evidence.

I do apologize for that. That was Daboys and put it with your statement. Sorry for that.

Again. Favre screwed this up himself. No way around it but in the end, the Packers GM may pay the ultimate price. This can not end good. If Favre is reinstated and the Packers let him come back, that will upset Aaron Rodgers who has bided his time for three yrs and spend this entire offseason preparing for starting. Then if FAvre were to come back and have a bad year, the Packers have put off their future and also ticked him off where he won't want to play for them.

If Favre is to go to another team and plays well, and Rodgers stinks it up, then TT will be tar and feathered in Green Bay and his job will be in jeapordy. If Rodgers gets hurt and FAvre is not available TT will be ripped. If they release him, he could sign with a rival and hurt the Packers.

There is no way this can possibly end without a lot of venom and poison between the two sides. Even if they did let him come back.

 

[FloridaRob]

This is true, but either dismissed or just not talked about.





There is more to that I am convinced. I think he was told that the starting QB job would not be handed to him. He would have to earn it. He didnt like that.





Its payback for McC and TT telling him he would have to earn it or quite possible they told him that he would be backup QB.




Brett is smart... he has it set up to have the fans in his favor EVEN if he went to play somewhere else.

Brett was going to be allowed to come back at the end of March and be the starter. The management agreed to that scenario. There was no talk of him being the back up then. Rodgers still would have been the back up. He decided two days before the announcement he wanted to stay retired. If the story came out about his unretirment don't you think the parties would have revealed by now that it was only as a back up. Don't let that stop you from making your own scenario up even tho it is fantasy.

Brett is smart but Packer fans are not in his corner on this. Check out their boards. Brett screwed this up and has only himself to blame.

 

[Rampage]

I do apologize for that. That was Daboys and put it with your statement. Sorry for that.

Again. Favre screwed this up himself. No way around it but in the end, the Packers GM may pay the ultimate price. This can not end good. If Favre is reinstated and the Packers let him come back, that will upset Aaron Rodgers who has bided his time for three yrs and spend this entire offseason preparing for starting. Then if FAvre were to come back and have a bad year, the Packers have put off their future and also ticked him off where he won't want to play for them.

If Favre is to go to another team and plays well, and Rodgers stinks it up, then TT will be tar and feathered in Green Bay and his job will be in jeapordy. If Rodgers gets hurt and FAvre is not available TT will be ripped. If they release him, he could sign with a rival and hurt the Packers.

There is no way this can possibly end without a lot of venom and poison between the two sides. Even if they did let him come back.

who do you want as the starting qb for the packers in the 2008 season?

 

[FloridaRob]

He has done that more than once.

He also quit last year in the game against us. When his "chucking" of the ball into 3 DB's turned into INT's. He took himself out of the game. But we all knew that he would be miraculously ready by next game.

Agreed. He is a good guy in the NFL.

Yes and Favre has rode their sensationalism and continues to do so. That good ol' boy. Well fans like FloridaRob do deify him but you are wrong about them being misguided... they CHOOSE to go that route. They know what Favre is deep down inside. A good QB who has just played a LONG time.






Now you know that is partially because he played as long as he has(yes that record too) AND because he was selfish and threw more than he should have... hence the INT record as well.




Exciting certainly DOESNT make him one of the greatest of all time. He doesnt even make top 10. Probably approaches the top 10 list but not in it.




This one made me laugh... REAL, REAL hard... coming from you. You were the Mr. Favre representative(oddly enough on a Cowboys forum) and stated more than once that they were only rumors and he had nothing to do with them and he was not coming back. You told us like it was factual.




While it is a little of both. We all know its more of the former than the latter.

Favre is as much a DIVA as TO is... he just disguises it differently. In a dishonest way. Atleast TO is always honest.
Only Cher can rival Favre in "Farewell" Tours.

the guy threw for 4000 yds and was 2nd in the league vote for MVP. He doesnt have to apolgogize for coming back. He had his best season in 10 yrs.The records are his. IF Romo plays five more years than FAvre and owns every passing record, I doubt you will be saying that he only stayed for the records. But again you let your dislike for FAvre shine thru. Nobody will ask your opinion about where FAvre ranks in the alltime greats. They don't care what you or I think. But when it is all said and done, his name will be discussed in the top group. REgardless of how much you disagree. FAvre is as much as Diva as any prima dona Ball player. I give you that. But he has earned his Diva status.

As far as the rumors I stated, if you go back I was only quoting ESPNs reports. I didnt make up anything.