Felix Jones? Why is there an anti-Felix Jones clan on the Zone?

[Fletch]

i can't for the life of me understand why the cowboys would select jones with the 22nd pick

here are the remaining teams that select after us.

pitt
tenn
seattle
jax
san diego

and then dallas again.

none of those teams has even the slightest interest in selecting f. jones.

you could make the case that green bay, san fran, and the giants will also pass.

so, why select him in the first round at all?

How do you know that none of the above mentioned teams have no interest in Felix? Because the mock drafts that have been posted in here don't have Felix going to said team? Because the media and all of their inside information hasn't given us any more clues into a destination for Felix other than Dallas? Ridiculous.

Do you really think any team, even the Cowboys are going to show their hand before the draft? I don't think so.

 

[dbair1967]

To me he is Julius Jones II. Slightly faster version.

All of the backs that now run out of the college spread offense concern me, including McFadden. The difference is McFadden is big and has rare, rare speed and power. But I don't like the college spread offense at all. It just doesn't provide a good preview of what a RB can/will do in a pro-style offense.

If we pick Felix, I hope I'm wrong about him.

Arkansas doesnt use the spread offense as its base...even when the QB is in the shotgun for them it isnt like a true "spread" offense like what Oregon, Florida and West Virginia run...the vast majority of McFadden and Jones' carries were out of the I formation

David

 

[dbair1967]

the problem for me is im still pissed that he only got 8 reps. That is so pathetic if you are gonna be in the NFL. There are no excuses behind that.

dude, this has been covered like 794 times in this forum

David

 

[dbair1967]

8 reps

doesnt pay attention

David

 

[dbair1967]

Felix Jones just isn't someone who could step in and dazzle. Not someone worth a 1st or second rounder.
Like I said in another thread, he'd be a serviceable RB in the Julius Jones mode, but certainly not a WOW player worth an early draft pick.

Too many other needs. CB, WR

Get over Felix Jones and let's focus on needs by the secondary and WR

I'm curious as to why you think he would be like Julius Jones. They dont have similar running styles at all...Jones was a big play machine against the best defensive talent in college football, and he was ultra productive in terms of rushing and kick returns

as far as whatever his time was at the combine and the person comparing him to Ray Rice's "speed", just use your eyes...one guy consistently ran away from the best talent in the SEC (guys who will play on Sundays), the other guy was routinely run down by far lesser talent (guys who will be either in the Arena League, CFL or working 9-5 jobs soon)...

David

 

[dbair1967]

You draft players in the first round to at least be starters at their positions.

ok, so why would we draft a CB in the first rd? or WR?

I feel Felix Jones isn't and never will be a starting-material running back

he backed up Darren McFadden for 3 yrs, who'd probably the best player in this draft...put him at 90% or more of other colleges and he'd have been a starter for most of his career, if not from day one

David

 

[dbair1967]

Exactly. Its hard to evaluate them as a future Pro when they come out of the spread. Its totaly different. Here is the problem for us today. How many of the top 6 or 7 backs DIDN'T play in the spread? Didn't Stewart also come from a spread offense too? I honestly do not know the answer to this one. I am asking it as a question. I know Stewart, dmac and felix did.

Thanks

Tex

Arkansas doesnt run a "spread" offense people...there is a difference in what a true "spread option" offense is, which would be teams like Oregon, Illinois, Florida, Utah and West Virgnia...on those teams the QB is the primary running option, not the RB's...the line splits are also different...Arkansas at times would like McFadden up as a QB, but the vast majority of McFadden and Jones' runs were out of the I formation

David

 

[TNCowboy]

I'm curious as to why you think he would be like Julius Jones. They dont have similar running styles at all...Jones was a big play machine against the best defensive talent in college football, and he was ultra productive in terms of rushing and kick returns

as far as whatever his time was at the combine and the person comparing him to Ray Rice's "speed", just use your eyes...one guy consistently ran away from the best talent in the SEC (guys who will play on Sundays), the other guy was routinely run down by far lesser talent (guys who will be either in the Arena League, CFL or working 9-5 jobs soon)...

David

I'm not the biggest fan of taking a RB in round one, but this is 100% dead on.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm not the biggest fan of taking a RB in round one, but this is 100% dead on.

I'm not either unless its a trade up for McFadden, but am resolved to the idea that its probably going to happen

David

 

[Dhragon]

Ever since the false rumor Felix got only 8 reps at the combine happened, public opinion has turned sour. I think that it a chief factor in why so many don't want him even today.

 

[Gaede]

I'm not totally opposed to Felix but he's not my favourite runner and there's a few other guys I'd rather have on the team. More importantly, I think taking a RB in round one is a bad idea.

 

[CowboyManDan]

I'll say firstly, that I'm not a big college football watcher. I stick to the NFL.

That being said, from what I've seen in highlight clips (which obviously is a coplete view of a player) it doesn't look to me like Felix is a 1st round talent. While I think he has good speed, it seems like he takes most things outside (which is harder to do in the NFL) and I'd like to see more highlights of him making people miss, rather than running away from them (because I don't think he'll be able to run away from them so easily in the NFL).

 

[Stash]

ok, so why would we draft a CB in the first rd? or WR?

Because they have the ability to be future starters. Felix Jones doesn't. He'll always be that backup running back looking to run outside.

he backed up Darren McFadden for 3 yrs, who'd probably the best player in this draft...put him at 90% or more of other colleges and he'd have been a starter for most of his career, if not from day one

David

Sorry, don't think so. He isn't and never will be starter material. And I'm not interested in a part-timer in round 1.

I'd rather trade both for McFadden. At least he can carry the mail.

 

[dbair1967]

Because they have the ability to be future starters. Felix Jones doesn't. He'll always be that backup running back looking to run outside.

but he is rated a 1st rd pick by just about everyone, so apparently somebody believes he's a talent...most teams dont grade guys as 1st rd piks if they believe they can never start...if they believed that, they wouldnt be a 1st rd pick would they?

Sorry, don't think so. He isn't and never will be starter material. And I'm not interested in a part-timer in round 1.

picking at 22 and 28 though, thats what a loaded team like ours is going to be getting this yr, unless they trade for a bigtime WR

I'd rather trade both for McFadden. At least he can carry the mail.

wont argue with that...I think he's the biggest impact player in the draft, especially if he ends up on a team like ours

David

 

[Dayton Cowboy]

You shouldn't have to ask the question when the answer's so very obvious-- name ONE player who was ever worth a hammered crap in the entire history of the NFL whose first name was Felix...

If you want a clean house, you go lookin' for a Felix... that's about all they're good for...

They should have taught you that in Football 101... you want to look for names like Jim Bob, Billy Ray, Rashard... FOOTBALL names...

Would you draft a defensive back named Shirley??

How about a DT named Rosey?

 

[Stash]

but he is rated a 1st rd pick by just about everyone, so apparently somebody believes he's a talent...most teams dont grade guys as 1st rd piks if they believe they can never start...if they believed that, they wouldnt be a 1st rd pick would they?

And those same rating bring up the same points that I do.

"thinly built"

"not built to withstand a heavy workload"

"lack strength to run between the tackles"

"bounces everything outside"

"would be most effective in a complimentary role"

I wouldn't mind getting him, but he's not worth taking in Round 1 to be a 'complimentary' player.

picking at 22 and 28 though, thats what a loaded team like ours is going to be getting this yr, unless they trade for a bigtime WR

Initially, yes. But another player could have the potential to develop into a starter. I don't see that from Jones.

wont argue with that...I think he's the biggest impact player in the draft, especially if he ends up on a team like ours

David

If the only choices are Felix Jones and Darren McFadden, I'll give up the two #1's for the difference-maker.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I dont watch much college football but i watched a few minutes of an Arkansas game and was looking for McFadden. I saw him run a few times and was like ok this guy is pretty good. Then BAM! he comes flying through the hole and outruns everyone...i was like WOW this guy is amazing, but when i looked at the name on the back of the jersey...it was Felix Jones.

 

[ajk23az]

Because they have the ability to be future starters. Felix Jones doesn't. He'll always be that backup running back looking to run outside.

Last time I checked, we have our starter in Marion Barber. So that means, let me think about this..............WE DONT NEED SOMEONE THAT HAS TO START.

I am all for Barber at 28, but we need a CB at 22.

Like someone said in another post here, ever since the report that he only had 8 reps on the bench, everyone turned against him. That is the truth.

 

[DallasEast]

Arkansas doesnt use the spread offense as its base...even when the QB is in the shotgun for them it isnt like a true "spread" offense like what Oregon, Florida and West Virginia run...the vast majority of McFadden and Jones' carries were out of the I formation

David

Finally, someone who has actually watched Arkansas football.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't understand the "hate" on Felix Jones either. Many of the fan-themed scouting services have Felix Jones rated as no lower than the 4th best back in this draft.

Then you have folks on here that have absolutely no background, nor experience scouting players, telling us that they think Felix Jones is a horrible back-- unbelievable.