Felix Not Hitting the Hole observations w/Pic

hammer1;3597039 said:
Felix has a 4.0 ypc to Barber's 3.47 in 2010. These 'problems' that Felix has could all be taken care of by giving him more carries which would allow him to get into the flow of the game.

It'a a coaching problem. :cool:
Agree. I think allowing a RB to get into a flow or rhythm is very underrated. If I remember correctly Julius used to make some of his best runs in the 2nd half when he was approaching 15 carries.
 
The Realist;3597988 said:
Has anybody seen Chris Johnson's YPC this year?

What's wrong with him?

Did he bulk up too much?

Lose his confidence? Is he afraid to hit the hole?

It feels earily similar to Julius Jones.

I guess theo was right about him. All he does is run fast and in a straight line.
 
Vintage;3597009 said:
Maybe its stuff like this that has Felix not getting more carries?

Hard to say.

But the coaches and the fans have yet another disconnect. Gee, I wonder which side is most likely correct?

Yeah Felix and his almost 6 yards per carry really means he isn't hitting the hole. Felix is the most talented rb on the team and it isn't even close.

Those pictures you put up as "evidence" are a joke. A couple of them you claim show he isn't hitting the hole don't even show a hole to hit.
 
Like many others, I think Felix needs more carries to get into a rhythm. As I posted in another thread a couple of weeks ago, rotating three backs in and out all the time doesn't do our Oline any favors either. All three of our backs have different styles and strengths. With them going in and out all the time, it doesn't give our Oline the ability to play to their (the RBs) strengths with any consistency. It's hard for an offensive line to change up how they play/block all the time throughout the game in order to fit a specific RB's strengths when they are being rotated so often. Just my opinion.
 
tupperware;3597466 said:
superonyx would enjoy this thread.

Someone called my name? haha.

I do enjoy this nonsense. 1st the pictures are not even accurate with the description under them. The holes are not forming and developing the way the OP described them.

2nd. This is about as goofy as me posting a picture of an Int thrown by Romo on a play where he made an incorrect read and saying its proof he cant read defenses. Then maybe i can have some agenda filled followers jump on and say its because romo gained 1% more bodyfat during the offseason.

Its worse than the show on ESPN with Jaworski where he breaks down 1 play from a team and make some bold comments that the 1 play backs up.

Come on people. Seriously you can see the flaws in this type of analysis. Surely...:lmao:
 
Romo Cant read defenses with Video proof.

[youtube]ib8NBLoD5cg[/youtube]

You see how easy it is?
 
Star Gazer has the Texans game up in the media zone.

There is a 15 yard run by # 28 where he sees a big lane open up to his center/right and heads that way. He looks quick and fast.

Watch Leonard Davis not secure his man and the hole close.

Jones runs it back to his left and gets 15 yards. He sure looked quick and fast and decisive to me on that one play. He never slowed down.

The middle of the field was wide open, and he would have gone yard.

However, Leonard Davis didn't secure his guy on that play.

Jones saw the home run, and it closed. He still got 15 yards.

Again, Felix looked quick, fast, and decisive on that run.

It was one run out of only 7 carries.

Imagine what he could do if he actually had the opportunity to carry the football 13-15 times per game, every single game.

I think the still pictures can be deceptive. You need to let the play run and look at it, because guys do come off blocks when things look open, just like the play that I described.

Maybe, bbgun or someone can put it up.

Also, according to Felix's own words, his average weight was 216 last year. I found an article where he talks about it.

He's listed at 220 right now

That is only 4 pounds of added muscle to his upper body.

I find the talk about that 4 pounds of muscle funny, because Dallas plays one of the slowest running backs in the NFL.

Jones is a good pass protector. I've seen him block good plenty of times. In fact, watch him jack Falcons up in 2009.

Mike Lombardi says that Dallas needs to do something about it's running back situation during the bye, because when Marion Barber is out there, Dallas is slow and much easier to defend. He stated that he would play Felix Jones more, because the Cowboys are much tougher to defend when he's in the game. The explosiveness of Jones is an added dimension that Lombardi thinks the Cowboys will need.

I couldn't agree more.

I'll tell you one thing.

If I'm # 28's agent, and this ridiculous stuff continues, I'm going to get him out of Dallas before 2011.

There is no excuse for this player having to take a backseat to any running back on this team when it comes to carries and touches in this offense.

Skip Peete or Jason Garrett can put up all the pretty rushing stats that they want to put up, and I can throw the San Diego game right in their faces, among other stats which Jones has put up. Also, Jason Garrett can determine how many carries a running back gets, and comparing Felix's touches to a WR is beyond ridiculous. It's a cop out.

Peete states that "it isn't about 'individuals'". Yeah, it isn't. It should be about the team, and you are hurting the team by relegating one of it's very, very best players to a role player, in favor of Marion Barber and Tashard Choice. Despite the explosive numbers that Jones has put up in Dallas, especially during the last 6 games of the 2009 season (including the playoffs), Jones has been put in a box (in Dallas) or jail.

The way Jones is treated on this team, reminds me of a teacher treating a student with an IQ of 140 like an average student. You don't teach gifted children like they are average.

You don't give running backs with Jones' explosive ability single digit carries or zero like his rookie year against the Commanders.

Jones has earned the right for a much more expanded role in this offense based on his performance at the end of last year, because the last time I checked the Vikings held Barber to 8 carries for 14 yards.

I'll tell you one thing. If I was Jones' agent, I'm getting him off this under-achieving team, stacked with legit blue players and some over paid or over rated players.

I could take the evidence before a judge and convict Garrett and Phillips and Peete of malpractice (with the way they have handled him and used him) and get his release. (if I really could do it....

I'd get Felix Jones out of jail or Dallas.

Then, I'd take him to Mike Shannahan, and you'd have to deal with him 2 times and year.
 
Mike Lombardi was at the Houston game as most of you probably know.

Not only did he say that he would give Felix the ball more, he stated that Marion Barber isn't the same player. According to Lombardi, Marion Barber can't get the corner, and he doesn't run with the same power that he used to run with.

Think how much easier it is to defend the Cowboys with Barber in the game.

Is Roy Williams fast?

Is Marion Barber fast?

Is Jason Witten fast?
 
Double Trouble;3597139 said:
I think FJ will come around.

But the whole situation is beginning to look eerily like Julius Jones.

I've always felt this way about him.
 
This is a GOOD thread. It's instinctive guys and you either see that hole or you don't. The peripheral vision and judgement of Dorsett, Emmitt, Payton, Sanders was second to none. Mark Ingram of Alabama is the same way. You either have it or you don't. I'm not a big Felix fan, never was big on the pick but I hope it works out....just don't think it will.

PS: I think he should've stayed at the same weight as he's better in space and on the edge. But I do understand why he did it, as durability and toughness are much more reachable at a heavier weight. The pounding these guys take is.........unreal.
 
How is this a good thread?

Some shots of Sam Young playing sandlot football in the Texan's preseason game?

Please........someone tell me what Sam Young is doing!
 
newlander;3598384 said:
This is a GOOD thread. It's instinctive guys and you either see that hole or you don't. The peripheral vision and judgement of Dorsett, Emmitt, Payton, Sanders was second to none. Mark Ingram of Alabama is the same way. You either have it or you don't. I'm not a big Felix fan, never was big on the pick but I hope it works out....just don't think it will.

PS: I think he should've stayed at the same weight as he's better in space and on the edge. But I do understand why he did it, as durability and toughness are much more reachable at a heavier weight. The pounding these guys take is.........unreal.

Ingram..... 2008 5.1ypc
2009 6.1ypc

Felix ........2005 6.3ypc
2006 7.6ypc
2007 8.7ypc
with cowboys

Felix 2008 8.9 ypc
2009 6.0 ypc


So Felix with his lack of "vision" has managed to be more productive than Ingram. I guess he doesnt need the vision after all.
And who sold you on him adding 4 pounds of muscle changing anything? Its not like he added 20 pounds.

Felix has been incredibly productive at every level.

If that doesnt warrant more carries than nothing ever will.

Its funny how many people come out of the woodwork all of a sudden saying how they never liked Felix. Where were these people last season or even in the offseason? Its just embarrassing.
 
I think Felix is just getting off to a slow start on the season but I think he will get it going before all is said and done. For me this is why I'm glad we have 3 RB that we can turn to.
 
Teams typically don't like to draft guys in the first round and relegate them to part time players. Too much ego and money involved with first round picks .. especially when you've got two runningbacks picked with the two picks directly after him who have turned out to be two of the best in the NFL currently. There's obviously something about Felix' game that is lacking or that the coaches don't like, but obviously this regime isn't going to come out in public and say it.
 
InmanRoshi;3598421 said:
Teams typically don't like to draft guys in the first round and relegate them to part time players. Too much ego and money involved with first round picks .. especially when you've got two runningbacks picked with the two picks directly after him who have turned out to be two of the best in the NFL currently. There's obviously something about Felix' game that is lacking or that the coaches don't like, but obviously this regime isn't going to come out in public and say it.


While I think Felix should be given the majority of the carries. I do agree with your point. Now we did have Felix named the starter in the offseason by Jerry I think. Then when training camp starts they went back to Marion Barber. I think eventually they will either have to say it or give the carries to Felix. We really cant say who favors Barber over Felix on this team. But someone is.
The shame is that it would take a serious Barber injury to get Felix the chance to prove once again that he deserves the carries. Just like last year when he played great for us at the end of the season.

Why some fans are bother by this is because we believe Felix has played well enough in every opportunity to show he is better than Barber. Its tough to watch a 1st round draft pick that has been productive at every level sit on the bench while Barber gets 3 yard per carry.

Now the point of most people in the start felix crowd is that he deserves the opportunity. Just like Barber deserved the opportunity after he out played Julius Jones that season. Felix has out played Barber and deserves the opportunity for eveyone to see what he is capable of over a full season.

Until then we will just keep getting annoyed at barber being to slow and to easy to bring down to hit the homeruns. We will just watch Felix come in and get his 5 carries a game.

If this were ANY other team in the league Felix would be the featured back. When you have produced the way he has and the starter in front of you has played average at best you get the chance. But not here. Not in Dallas. We all love Chris Johnson. He wasnt the featured back his rookie year. It was that fat kid from USC. But CJ outplayed him in his shared carries and the next year they made him the featured back. Felix did the same and yet he sits. Its not like Felix is out scat back. He isnt the 3rd down runner that every team has that really cant be the everydown back. When Felix gets in the game it is on 1st and 2nd downs. And in those opportunities he has shown success.

Now someone in dallas doesnt believe in some aspect of his game. But that doesnt mean they are right. And past production shows that they are wrong.
 
in These pics im seeing 2 missed blocks that would have sprung him on the draw Gurode (65) should have doubled the dude with Kosar (63). on the other running play 63 should have pelled off the double team and gotten i believe its LB 54 who made the back side tackle running around the guard.
 
Don Corleone;3597023 said:
I wonder if the extra weight he put on isn't suiting his running style well. By some reports, he gained at least 10 lbs in the offseason...mostly muscle, but the bulk could be slowing him down.
he gained two this off season, he was a 218 now he is at 220. but the biggest difference is the weight he gained from his rookie season to now. he was drafted at around 20X so he's gained 10 plus pounds since his rookie season that is more than any other running back has gained since rookie season in the NFL. in fact, chris johnson has lost a few pounds.
 
calicowboy54;3598581 said:
in These pics im seeing 2 missed blocks that would have sprung him on the draw Gurode (65) should have doubled the dude with Kosar (63). on the other running play 63 should have pelled off the double team and gotten i believe its LB 54 who made the back side tackle running around the guard.
These are good comments. Specific too. And accurate regarding the line play. These plays could have been blocked perfectly, and they weren't.

Those of you saying you don't see any holes might not realize that there is 18.5 feet between the hashmarks. Just look at where the players' feet are, and you can reasonably figure out how many feet of open space there are between players. End zone replays show it a lot better, but unfortunately, FOX followed those two plays with a replay of Favre's 499th TD and a Family Guy promo.
 
41gy#;3598187 said:
Star Gazer has the Texans game up in the media zone.

There is a 15 yard run by # 28 where he sees a big lane open up to his center/right and heads that way. He looks quick and fast.
Yep. And maybe it's a different Texans game play I'm thinking of or maybe he slashes back to the left after starting right, but on this one we were backed up to our 10 and Felix took a simple draw play and busted it up there for 15 quick yards. He didn't leave any yards on the field and in the process he juked the safety out of his shoes in classic Felix style. Next play we handed it off to him for five more yards. Not bad to get 20 yards in two plays when you're backed up like that.

No, there isn't anything wrong with Felix. I think the coaches are simply afraid of him getting hurt if they give him the ball too much too early in the season. I don't agree with it at all, but that's my best guess as to what they're thinking.

Edit, sorry I think I meant to post in the Sturm thread. Anyway, the second play is the one I was thinking of. I'd want to see it live to see what happened, but I that was the one right after the same 15 yard gain I was talking about.
 
Bleh... Can't edit my last post.

Anyway, my guess from looking at the second run a little closer, particularly the third pic, is that he's going left because it looks like Ryans is throwing Witten aside to the (offensive) left and thus Ryans is going to be in that hole on the right side. Basically, Witten is getting his butt kicked -- look how tilted his upper body is. That's the kind of read a RB makes right there -- just little flashes of color -- and the white is on the left and the navy blue is on the right.

Looks to me like he went the right way, and if Kosier had made his block there would've been good yardage to the left. Or maybe not since lead blocker Witten got so blown up on the play.

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