CFZ Final Offensive Series in Regulation

RonnieT24

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Is it Moores fault that your hero got stuffed for -3 yards on first down? And if Moore calls a pass play there you are crying that he is too pass happy.

In that situation eating the clock and/or timeouts for the other team was more important than yards. If he called a short pass that was completed for 2 yards I would have been okay. If he called a 9 route I would have called him an idiot. Moore's play calling sucks because he doesn't seem to understand situational football. That the most important thing is doing what gives the team the highest probability of winning. Three runs and either JAX gets the ball back with a minute and no time outs.. Or if they choose to save one time out you can run it down to 30-40 seconds left. If you do that, they run out of time before they ever get in FG range.
 

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I'm ok with a short, high % pass on third down. Get the ball in pollards hands on a swing pass like we did earlier in the game where he made the S miss in the open field and picked up a first down. Even if he gets tackled, Jax has to burn their list TO and we walk out of there with a win.
 

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You're right the math does probably say go for the first down.. But nowhere does it say "take a deep heave low percentage pass" to do it. If you're going to throw there it needed to be complete so as to make sure the clock keeps running. Hit a TE, a back, something short.. Not three friggin verticals with no outlet.
Meh. People always gonna find a reason to call out a play that doesn’t work. I’m not worried about all that. I thought pass was the right decision and they passed. The rest is players playing football. Credit to the jags for stopping it.
 

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I'm ok with a short, high % pass on third down. Get the ball in pollards hands on a swing pass like we did earlier in the game where he made the S miss in the open field and picked up a first down. Even if he gets tackled, Jax has to burn their list TO and we walk out of there with a win.

Getting them to take that last time out should have been the #1 goal on that play. Any yards gained would have been gravy. I am now of the mind that neither Dak, nor Moore, nor McCarthy understand the simple math at play in these situations because they've done it too many times. They've had the ball with a chance to essentially close out the game by just running the ball and they've chose not to. It's mind blowing. It also ends any hope I had of this team making a deep playoff run. They're too stupid.. and I don't just mean the players..
 

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I'm ok with a short, high % pass on third down. Get the ball in pollards hands on a swing pass like we did earlier in the game where he made the S miss in the open field and picked up a first down. Even if he gets tackled, Jax has to burn their list TO and we walk out of there with a win.
To me this is the worst thing of all. Actually risking a clock stoppage without with a very low upside of getting a first down. Might as well just run it if that’s the plan. In others words, if you’re going for the first, go for the first. No half stepping.
 

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Meh. People always gonna find a reason to call out a play that doesn’t work. I’m not worried about all that. I thought pass was the right decision and they passed. The rest is players playing football. Credit to the jags for stopping it.

You call out a pass play that has a low probability of success to begin with. If it had been a nice short dump to Schultz I would not have cared. But under no circumstances am I throwing a damn 50/50 ball. Like I keep saying, Dak has to be smart enough and strong enough to tell Moore he aint runnin that when he calls crap that is completely wrong for the situation. Until he does that he will never join the NFL elite QB ranks.
 

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My response would be to run a safe slant. Troy and Michael would always run it. Dumb throw by Dak if he made the decision to go deep. I wouldn't of given him that option. At some point these coaches have to put their stock into these types of games. Just my opinion.
I would have HATED a pass play with a low percentage of getting a first down. Then you’re risking an incomplete for almost no reason. Just run it if that’s the plan.
 

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In that situation eating the clock and/or timeouts for the other team was more important than yards. If he called a short pass that was completed for 2 yards I would have been okay. If he called a 9 route I would have called him an idiot. Moore's play calling sucks because he doesn't seem to understand situational football. That the most important thing is doing what gives the team the highest probability of winning. Three runs and either JAX gets the ball back with a minute and no time outs.. Or if they choose to save one time out you can run it down to 30-40 seconds left. If you do that, they run out of time before they ever get in FG range.
My compliments for ignoring the childish insults in the comment you quoted. Keeping it football.

Nice job, sir.
 

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You call out a pass play that has a low probability of success to begin with. If it had been a nice short dump to Schultz I would not have cared. But under no circumstances am I throwing a damn 50/50 ball. Like I keep saying, Dak has to be smart enough and strong enough to tell Moore he aint runnin that when he calls crap that is completely wrong for the situation. Until he does that he will never join the NFL elite QB ranks.
This is where you’re really wrong. Why you gonna pass if you’re not really trying to get the first down? That would have been the worst of all worlds.

And for the record, I’m not defending the deep ball. I’m not killing it raider because I don’t know what was and wasn’t open.

All I’m saying is if you’re going to pass, and that WAS the right call, then be aggressive enough to ensure a first down.
 

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I would have HATED a pass play with a low percentage of getting a first down. Then you’re risking an incomplete for almost no reason. Just run it if that’s the plan.


That would have been my call.. If I HAD called a pass it would have been a roll out with receivers at three levels and Dak with harsh instructions not to throw it unless it's butt nekkid wide open. If there is a defender within 2 yards or the receiver, run it, slide, keep the clock moving, force them to burn that last time out. Kick it back to them with no timeouts and under a minute .. Do that and you probably go home happy.
 

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I would have HATED a pass play with a low percentage of getting a first down. Then you’re risking an incomplete for almost no reason. Just run it if that’s the plan.

I agree with you 100 percent. That was in response to someone saying we should of passed the ball. I was referring if that's the case go with a safer option. But, again. I agree 100 percent with you:thumbup:
 

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Meh. People always gonna find a reason to call out a play that doesn’t work. I’m not worried about all that. I thought pass was the right decision and they passed. The rest is players playing football. Credit to the jags for stopping it.
"plays that didn't work".....fine. It happens

Calling a play with little chance, or just wrong situation? Very different.

Game management...like play calling, clock, timeouts...is what separates to good teams from super bowl teams.

I obviously just used an OVER used euphemism....
but...

Noahs drop are "things that happen".

A "dumb call" that makes it easier on the other team, harder on us? Unacceptable.
 

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That would have been my call.. If I HAD called a pass it would have been a roll out with receivers at three levels and Dak with harsh instructions not to throw it unless it's butt nekkid wide open. If there is a defender within 2 yards or the receiver, run it, slide, keep the clock moving, force them to burn that last time out. Kick it back to them with no timeouts and under a minute .. Do that and you probably go home happy.
Then just run it. But my whole premise is that the timeout out a minute and change not all that important. Or at least the difference between one and no timeouts not worth laying down and gifting the ball back to them.
 

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"plays that didn't work".....fine. It happens

Calling a play with little chance, or just wrong situation? Very different.

Game management...like play calling, clock, timeouts...is what separates to good teams from super bowl teams.

I obviously just used an OVER used euphemism....
but...

Noahs drop are "things that happen".

A "dumb call" that makes it easier on the other team, harder on us? Unacceptable.
I haven’t seen the all 22. Did every receiver just run straight deep? Was THAT the call? I’m betting not.

That was the decision of course, but much different from that being “the call”. This isn’t sandlot football. Yo, everybody go deep.
 

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The fact that we have zero screen game is embarrassing. They should have lined up tight and slammed it in three times or screened.

Childish play calling
And at the same time, opponents kill us in the screen game. You would think that the offensive coaching staff may think. Hey , we should try running some screens like they do to us Seems to be effective.
 
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