CFZ Final Offensive Series in Regulation

TheCoolFan

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Kellen Moore was exposed in that series...he doesn't know what he's doing. I think he pre-determined that they were going to do those three plays before the series started. The 3rd and 10 play was a joke...3 WRs running go routes downfield into a defense that dropped 6 in coverage. The Jaguars were prepared for it and Dak had nowhere to throw (was better off just taking a sack instead of forcing a hail mary throw)
 

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All the math says you run there and kill not only the last Jags timeout, but also more seconds on the clock. See, that is the real kick in the pants from that stupid call. It not only saved a timeout, it saved more time on the clock. The risk reward ratio was clearly on the side of run and punt.

Again, any Madden or Tecmo Super Bowl player would have made the right call there. It's an easy call.
Yup.

This infatuation with going for the kill shots in the face of all reality is epidemic stupidity in the NFL right now. You run it, take their last TO and pin them. Make them have to pull a rabbit out to even tie the game.

Nope...we choose to put the game at risk by not only putting the ball in the air, which has a lot of possible bad outcomes, but we also throw it incomplete.

Just dumb.
 

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My compliments for ignoring the childish insults in the comment you quoted. Keeping it football.

Nice job, sir.

I am seldom in the mood to play with children after my team loses. Maybe later in the week but today I aint feelin it. Not only did my team lose but they did so by simply mismanaging the clock yet again. This is probably the 4th or 5th such game in the McCarthy era. Somebody needs to be fired or Jerry needs to hire a "game management consultant" like Denver had to do with Hackett because this thing is outta control and will absolutely keep this team from getting to the promised land.
 

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Kellen Moore was exposed in that series...he doesn't know what he's doing. I think he pre-determined that they were going to do those three plays before the series started. The 3rd and 10 play was a joke...3 WRs running go routes downfield into a defense that dropped 6 in coverage. The Jaguars were prepared for it and Dak had nowhere to throw (was better off just taking a sack instead of forcing a hail mary throw)
Kellen Moore has been exposed for a while now. Yesterday was just another example.
 

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Kellen Moore has been exposed for a while now. Yesterday was just another example.

I have always believed that the Cowboys lofty offensive rankings were a function of great talent over Moore's great play calling and design. I think the guys do a great job of making something out of nothing a lot of the time in this offense. And that's also why good DCs can really put the clamps on it. They know what's coming and if they have comparable talent they can stop it.
 

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I have always believed that the Cowboys lofty offensive rankings were a function of great talent over Moore's great play calling and design. I think the guys do a great job of making something out of nothing a lot of the time in this offense. And that's also why good DCs can really put the clamps on it. They know what's coming and if they have comparable talent they can stop it.
We have the talent. We’ve always had the talent. It’s the use of it that has hurt this team. Going back to Garrett. It’s the same stupid play calls , clock management, lack of situational play calling,etc. how many times in the past decade + have we had games similar to yesterday. We had the talent then and we have it now. Starts at the top. But this is nothing we don’t already know.
 

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Yup.

This infatuation with going for the kill shots in the face of all reality is epidemic stupidity in the NFL right now. You run it, take their last TO and pin them. Make them have to pull a rabbit out to even tie the game.

Nope...we choose to put the game at risk by not only putting the ball in the air, which has a lot of possible bad outcomes, but we also throw it incomplete.

Just dumb.


What would Belicheck have done?
 

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A lot has been made about the decision to throw a deep pass on 3rd and 10 and save the Jags a time out and rightly so. However, that series, which burned a pathetic 27 seconds off the clock, was jacked up from the first play. What are we doing running a slow developing play that has Zeke moving parallel to the line of scrimmage on 1st down? That gets blown up immediately for a loss of yardage, which puts us behind the chains. The 2nd down play call was the same run up the gut to Pollard we called 20 times before in the game. It gets three yards and leaves us in 3rd and long. If you are going to throw the ball in this series, why not a screen pass there--oh, right we don't do those--or have Dak roll out with an option to throw to a crossing TE or run the ball himself?

Then comes the dreaded third down deep throw: incomplete, clock stopped, Jags time out still in the pocket. Almost any other play call is better here. Run the ball, the Jags will burn their last time out. Again, roll Dak out give him the option to throw to a crossing player or run himself. If you are going to pass, make it a higher percentage play, with the option to run and keep the clock moving.

Just an ugly, incompetent, complete fail all around.
This WHOLE organization is severely flawed and this can't batch of misfits aren't winning another game this year..................SORRY.
 

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We have the talent. We’ve always had the talent. It’s the use of it that has hurt this team. Going back to Garrett. It’s the same stupid play calls , clock management, lack of situational play calling,etc. how many times in the past decade + have we had games similar to yesterday. We had the talent then and we have it now. Starts at the top. But this is nothing we don’t already know.


What's depressing about this realization is that until Dak grows into the kind of QB that Romo did in his final years under Garrett this offense is doomed. Beginning about 2012 or 2013 Romo basically took over play calling from Garrett and Co. Which culminated in that glorious season of 2014 which if not for Dean Blandino probably ends in the Super Bowl. Romo learned how to win the chess match with opposing DCs. Dak is still counting on Moore to win .. and against really good DCs it aint hapnin. Then in games like yesterday when the DC frankly aint that good and the offense was able to do most anything it wanted, Moore's lack of feel for play calling was our undoing again. He was unable to capitalize on our mismatches consistently and at the end of the game he simply could not bring himself to just run the ball three straight times to force JAX to burn its last timeouts. He HAD to take a deep shot to "go win the game." Which is fine.. but Dak has to know that if there is even a hint of coverage, eat the ball, take the sack, take off and run.. whatever.. ANYTHING but throw an incomplete pass.
 

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Shotgun handoff on 1st down :laugh: It doesn't get any easier for a defense to stop that. At least if you're lining up under center and handing it off, there is the chance that it could be a PA fake/rollout so the defense still has to respect it.

If it were me, I'd run a QB sneak on 1st down that would probably pick up 2-3 yards, maybe even more if the OL can push Dak further. Then you have a more manageable 2nd down and more plays available in the playbook. But the predictable 1st down handoff ruined it and then Kellen compounded it with an ridiculous passing play on 3rd and 10.
 

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MM is a fraud. You can call those plays if you have Rogers at QB. I'm done with that fraud...hes a fat idiot who made a living off Rogers...
 

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The first couple of plays, they had the "play not to lose" mentality (though that first play was just stupid, no matter what). Then on 3rd down, they had a desperate mentality. Just an incoherent mess.
 

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You call out a pass play that has a low probability of success to begin with. If it had been a nice short dump to Schultz I would not have cared. But under no circumstances am I throwing a damn 50/50 ball. Like I keep saying, Dak has to be smart enough and strong enough to tell Moore he aint runnin that when he calls crap that is completely wrong for the situation. Until he does that he will never join the NFL elite QB ranks.

:clap:
 

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That would have been my call.. If I HAD called a pass it would have been a roll out with receivers at three levels and Dak with harsh instructions not to throw it unless it's butt nekkid wide open. If there is a defender within 2 yards or the receiver, run it, slide, keep the clock moving, force them to burn that last time out. Kick it back to them with no timeouts and under a minute .. Do that and you probably go home happy.
This is the 100% correct play. Period. Moore is an idiot for calling a 3 vertical play. Yes, Dak could have changed out. And yes, the defense shouldn't have turned into soft butter on the ensuing Jags possession. All of the above can be true. Too many on here get hung up on having one scapegoat. There were a LOT of mistakes and a lot of bad football played in those last 19 minutes and the OT - it doesn't have to be only one error. This was a full team implosion.
 

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Shotgun handoff on 1st down :laugh: It doesn't get any easier for a defense to stop that. At least if you're lining up under center and handing it off, there is the chance that it could be a PA fake/rollout so the defense still has to respect it.

If it were me, I'd run a QB sneak on 1st down that would probably pick up 2-3 yards, maybe even more if the OL can push Dak further. Then you have a more manageable 2nd down and more plays available in the playbook. But the predictable 1st down handoff ruined it and then Kellen compounded it with an ridiculous passing play on 3rd and 10.

I have hated that play since Garrett first brought it to Dallas. I hate it even more when I see it called to our 225 pound downhill runner. I get mad every time I see it.. Even when it succeeds, which thanks to our talent it actually does sometimes, I still know it's a disaster waiting to happen every time. The Jags stopped it for losses like 5 or 6 times yesterday and the only reason it wasn't more than that was TP and Zeke fighting their way back to the line of scrimmage.
 

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A lot has been made about the decision to throw a deep pass on 3rd and 10 and save the Jags a time out and rightly so. However, that series, which burned a pathetic 27 seconds off the clock, was jacked up from the first play. What are we doing running a slow developing play that has Zeke moving parallel to the line of scrimmage on 1st down? That gets blown up immediately for a loss of yardage, which puts us behind the chains. The 2nd down play call was the same run up the gut to Pollard we called 20 times before in the game. It gets three yards and leaves us in 3rd and long. If you are going to throw the ball in this series, why not a screen pass there--oh, right we don't do those--or have Dak roll out with an option to throw to a crossing TE or run the ball himself?

Then comes the dreaded third down deep throw: incomplete, clock stopped, Jags time out still in the pocket. Almost any other play call is better here. Run the ball, the Jags will burn their last time out. Again, roll Dak out give him the option to throw to a crossing player or run himself. If you are going to pass, make it a higher percentage play, with the option to run and keep the clock moving.

Just an ugly, incompetent, complete fail all around.
Moore was stupid on those play calls.

he did the same stupid play calling last year in the first game against Tampa.

he doesn't know how to manage a game situation.
 

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A lot has been made about the decision to throw a deep pass on 3rd and 10 and save the Jags a time out and rightly so. However, that series, which burned a pathetic 27 seconds off the clock, was jacked up from the first play. What are we doing running a slow developing play that has Zeke moving parallel to the line of scrimmage on 1st down? That gets blown up immediately for a loss of yardage, which puts us behind the chains. The 2nd down play call was the same run up the gut to Pollard we called 20 times before in the game. It gets three yards and leaves us in 3rd and long. If you are going to throw the ball in this series, why not a screen pass there--oh, right we don't do those--or have Dak roll out with an option to throw to a crossing TE or run the ball himself?

Then comes the dreaded third down deep throw: incomplete, clock stopped, Jags time out still in the pocket. Almost any other play call is better here. Run the ball, the Jags will burn their last time out. Again, roll Dak out give him the option to throw to a crossing player or run himself. If you are going to pass, make it a higher percentage play, with the option to run and keep the clock moving.

Just an ugly, incompetent, complete fail all around.
Fans that really watch the game will notice our 1st play is always an unimaginative running play. Now that we are in 2nd and 8-10 yards, it seems like we are ready to run an offense. We frequently waste our 1st downs it seems. Smh
 
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