Fire GM Jerry Jones: An Open Appeal to the Owner

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Hostile;2557288 said:
Actually you are dead on. The young coaches like Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Sparano, et al turned bad teams around this year. Give me Garrett and a strong DC and I will take it.

I admit very real interest in Shanahan though. It would be his 3rd team and no coach has ever won it with 2 teams, but I seriously respect the guy.


I am a little worried about this Denver interview Garrett has coming up. If Denver offers him the job, he is gone. With a QB like Cutler who has the strongest arm the NFL and tremendous upside and then Garrett would have a lot of control. He will take that job. I hope he stays, but I think for many in here it might just take for him to be gone to realize just how good Garrett can be. If he goes to Denver I can't blame him and will hope the best for him. If many in this forum get what they hope for and that is Garrett is gone, well like my grandfather says, becareful what you wish for you might just get it. Hopefully Garrett stays.
 

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Hostile;2557224 said:
I've wanted him to be our Head Coach one day since he was our 3rd string QB. I think the guy has an incredible future ahead of him. He is smart. Players respect him. He's everything I want in a Coach. Right now, I want guys who are getting their first shot.

I wasn't too keen on how Garrett was hired (before the HC) but I think he's bright and has a future in the NFL, hopefully with the Cowboys.

Just a hunch, but I can't imagine someone that played for both Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer can't see the value of dicipline as well as the impact of a too soft, family friendly approach. Garrett can't like what he's seeing in the locker room and with certain players but I bet he's old school enough to not undermine his head coach and publically speak out about it, even if that's to his detriment.

Someone's going to hire this kid if Jerry's not careful and we're going to miss out on another quality head coaching prospect. I don't want another re-tread HC; I want to go young and give Garrett a 5 year deal where he's not looking over his shoulder. The only other guy I'd want other than Garrett is the DC from the Giants (Spagnolo). I can live with the growing pains.
 

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Dodger12;2557348 said:
I wasn't too keen on how Garrett was hired (before the HC) but I think he's bright and has a future in the NFL, hopefully with the Cowboys.

Just a hunch, but I can't imagine someone that played for both Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer can't see the value of dicipline as well as the impact of a too soft, family friendly approach. Garrett can't like what he's seeing in the locker room and with certain players but I bet he's old school enough to not undermine his head coach and publically speak out about it, even if that's to his detriment.

Someone's going to hire this kid if Jerry's not careful and we're going to miss out on another quality head coaching prospect. I don't want another re-tread HC; I want to go young and give Garrett a 5 year deal where he's not looking over his shoulder. The only other guy I'd want other than Garrett is the DC from the Giants (Spagnolo). I can live with the growing pains.


Right now I am worried Denver might take Garrett. You made a great post here. Garrett has seen what it is like with different types of coaches and what works and does not work. Garrett has not given any history as to if he will be a cream puff like Wade as a HC or a take no crap coach like some others in the NFL. He can do what he wants, if he starts off as a take no crap tough guy coach the players will believe it. Unlike Wade who is trying to reinvent himself and the players just laugh at it. We would be better with Garrett as HC than Wade for 2009.
 

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I hope Denver does take Garrett.

It will give Jerry an excuse to go back on his "the coaching staff is in place" statement and hire Shanahan.
 

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Batman;2557372 said:
Right now I am worried Denver might take Garrett. You made a great post here. Garrett has seen what it is like with different types of coaches and what works and does not work. Garrett has not given any history as to if he will be a cream puff like Wade as a HC or a take no crap coach like some others in the NFL. He can do what he wants, if he starts off as a take no crap tough guy coach the players will believe it. Unlike Wade who is trying to reinvent himself and the players just laugh at it. We would be better with Garrett as HC than Wade for 2009.

I'd take Garrett in 2009 in a heartbeat, especially over wade. I just think that Jerry's going to wait too long and Garrett will take a job somewhere else. He almost has to. Another year like this one will drop his stock even further and if I was JG, I wouldn't put my faith that Wade Phillips can turn this thing around. Opportunities rarely knock twice and he'd be hard pressed to turn down another franchise that offers him a HC position.
 

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So Wade's family atmosphere is what causes Jason to call endless shotgun draws, throw on 3rd and a foot, and vastly underutilize our running backs and O-line?

Interesting.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2557424 said:
So Wade's family atmosphere is what causes Jason to call endless shotgun draws, throw on 3rd and a foot, and vastly underutilize our running backs and O-line?

Interesting.

I want Garrett gone as much ALMOST as much as I want Jerry to step the hell down and hire a real GM.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2557424 said:
So Wade's family atmosphere is what causes Jason to call endless shotgun draws, throw on 3rd and a foot, and vastly underutilize our running backs and O-line?

Interesting.

When Garrett was throwing last year on 3rd and short, everyone called it being agressive ans not letting up. It's great when it works and we question the play call when it doesn't. That's the nature of the beast. But we've got more pronlems on this team than just the offense's lack of execution. Any HC we bring in is goping to have some questions about him. I just want a young guy with some drive and who played under Jimmy Johnson. He knows what it takes and it might relate better as a HC.
 

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Iamtdg;2556159 said:
I used to put about 300 bucks a year in his pocket between ticket and paraphenalia purchases.

No mas.


Jerry sells Cowboy bongs?:D
 

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Forum question:

If the possible hiring of Jason Garrett in Denver or elsewhere prompted Jerry Jones to hire Mike Shanahan to be his head coach now and forced Wade Phillips out of Dallas, would that be a strong enough move on his part to persuade grassroots' Get Rid Of Jerry As GM proponents to give him another chance? Or would that action mean nothing and the billboard, letters, etc., campaign which will "force him" to step down as general manager continue unabated?
 

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Dodger12;2557466 said:
When Garrett was throwing last year on 3rd and short, everyone called it being agressive ans not letting up. It's great when it works and we question the play call when it doesn't. That's the nature of the beast. But we've got more pronlems on this team than just the offense's lack of execution. Any HC we bring in is goping to have some questions about him. I just want a young guy with some drive and who played under Jimmy Johnson. He knows what it takes and it might relate better as a HC.

Not me. I call it stupid.

And I don't see where playing for Jimmy makes you a good coach. Sounds like good ol' days syndrome to me.
 

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DallasEast;2557541 said:
Forum question:

If the possible hiring of Jason Garrett in Denver or elsewhere prompted Jerry Jones to hire Mike Shanahan to be his head coach now and forced Wade Phillips out of Dallas, would that be a strong enough move on his part to persuade grassroots' Get Rid Of Jerry As GM proponents to give him another chance? Or would that action mean nothing and the billboard, letters, etc., campaign which will "force him" to step down as general manager continue unabated?

the sharks just want blood. i don't think they really care who's at this point.
 

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DallasEast;2557655 said:

and if that does happen, then all the haters now will say jones was stupid for bringing in shanahan and letting garrett go if garrett does better in the long run.

with some people jones simply can't win. when you bear no responsibility for the decision you can be just as IGS as you want.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2557583 said:
Not me. I call it stupid.

And I don't see where playing for Jimmy makes you a good coach. Sounds like good ol' days syndrome to me.

Whatever. If you bothered to read my earlier post, I mentioned Spagnolo from the Giants for much of the same reasons that I mentioned Garrett. I want a young, hungry HC who has a history of either playing for a winner or coming from a legitimate coaching tree.

JG played for a winning coach and saw what it takes in a sense that it's more than just knowing X's and O's. He also saw how the team fell apart during Switzer's regime. Wade's lost this team and he's gone after 2009. Why wait? If Jerry doesn't have any plans on keeping Wade, then make a move this year and Garrett is already in place and he knows what he has.
 

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iceberg;2557678 said:
and if that does happen, then all the haters now will say jones was stupid for bringing in shanahan and letting garrett go if garrett does better in the long run.

with some people jones simply can't win. when you bear no responsibility for the decision you can be just as IGS as you want.
Still, Jerry Jones deserves to be criticized just like anyone one else, but I would like to see someone propose a realistic grassroots campaign which could persuade him to forego his general manager duties. In truth, billboards have been done forever in some fashion. Likewise, stern messages to front office management have been done just as long. What have been the previous results of these campaigns?

Heck, organized sit-ins every week in front of the ticket gates of the new stadium would garner lots of national negative publicity, but that's another option which anti-Jones activists wouldn't seemingly consider doing simply because they wouldn't want their faces to be seen by their fellow Cowboys fans. Where's the true sacrifice being made?

Oooooo! There's a big bad billboard on the side of the highway being seen daily by only thousands of travelers (when they are even paying attention to it) and it's significance will quickly play itself out in very short order afterwards in the local or even national media. That's some kind strong mojo to make a marketing pro like Jerry Jones to step down as general manager. Too funny. :rolleyes:
 

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iceberg;2557678 said:
and if that does happen, then all the haters now will say jones was stupid for bringing in shanahan and letting garrett go if garrett does better in the long run.

with some people jones simply can't win. when you bear no responsibility for the decision you can be just as IGS as you want.

While I am hatin on Jones, if we lost Garrett but brought in Shanahan, as long as Jones let Shanahan have control and name his own staff, stayed off the sidelines and let Shanahan do his thing, then I am not sure how anyone could hate on Jones for that. If he hired Shanahan and allowed him that kind of control, it would show Jerry is willing to put his ego aside and the Cowboys first. Even if it did not work out, at least it would show Jerry did his best. If anyone was to criticize Jones for that while I am hatin on Jones now, I would be more than willing to step up and defend him on going with Shanahan.
 

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Batman;2557744 said:
While I am hatin on Jones, if we lost Garrett but brought in Shanahan, as long as Jones let Shanahan have control and name his own staff, stayed off the sidelines and let Shanahan do his thing, then I am not sure how anyone could hate on Jones for that. If he hired Shanahan and allowed him that kind of control, it would show Jerry is willing to put his ego aside and the Cowboys first. Even if it did not work out, at least it would show Jerry did his best. If anyone was to criticize Jones for that while I am hatin on Jones now, I would be more than willing to step up and defend him on going with Shanahan.
Here's the thing, though.

Jerry Jones is being evaluated and receiving a failing grade for his body of work as a general manager, not just what he has done in the past couple of seasons OR what he may do in the future. If that is the case, why anyone wanting to devote money, etc., for billboards and the like, accept ANY conditions to offset a personal commitment to "shame" him out of his self-appointed general manager position?
 

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Ryan of Dallas;2557860 said:
A re-post of the Jean-Jacques Taylor DMN article. Feel free to stop by and leave your comments...
http://firegmjerry.com/2009/01/afraid-to-pull-the-trigger

One thing I'm wanting to do on firegmjerry.com is periodically re-post articles by the JJTs & Randy Galloway's of the world. If you happen to come across something that you think would be great for the site, drop me a line at ryan<at>firegmjerry.com .

Thanks!
another member of the anti-jerry alliance. told ya bb we're getting stronger by the day.
 
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