Fire Jason Garrett? Then You Would Have Fired Tom Landry

[Beast_from_East]

I can't think of any. Though there is a decent list of coaches like Belichick and Carroll who didn't win in one situation and then found sustained success in another. Sometimes teams lose playoff games for reasons other than coaching. It's just rare that a team will stick by a guy who does that. That doesn't necessarily mean cutting bait was the right decision for those clubs.

At least you are finally starting to admit that Garrett would have been fired by now by just about every other team.

Like you said, it’s rare a team will stay with a guy with a track record like Garrett.

You are making progress my friend

 

[diefree666]

Are you a real Cowboy fan or casual fan? Real fans know that we were not very good at that time. But as for the D, because the D played better for an 8 games doesn't mean they were good,as a matter of fact, The defense was then handed over to , IIIRC , to Rex Ryan, and any Cowboy fan knows that was a fiasco, new philosophy and a defense that had the players complaining about being confused on game day , due to Ryan being unorganized. For the record that wasn't a playoff contending team he inherited. What kind of fan are you...lol

Gee just how ignorant are you? Clearly you failed football 101. He took over in 2010. What teams were in the playoffs in 2009? What team THAT year of 2010 was considered a serious contender for the SB that would be at its home stadium? Really how dumb are you?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Gee just how ignorant are you? Clearly you failed football 101. He took over in 2010. What teams were in the playoffs in 2009? What team THAT year of 2010 was considered a serious contender for the SB that would be at its home stadium? Really how dumb are you?

Yep, its comical that the Garrett defenders are actually trying to say he didn't inherit a playoff team.

I guess they don't realize that they actually keep a record of this type of stuff and you can look back and see that Dallas won the NFC East and then beat the Eagles.

WOW

 

[Big_D]

Yep, its comical that the Garrett defenders are actually trying to say he didn't inherit a playoff team.

I guess they don't realize that they actually keep a record of this type of stuff and you can look back and see that Dallas won the NFC East and then beat the Eagles.

WOW

'Inherit' is just a ridiculous term in this situation. He didn't inherit anything! He was here for the same 3 and half years as Wade Phillips and was just as much a part of the problem to begin with.

 

[Idgit]

At least you are finally starting to admit that Garrett would have been fired by now by just about every other team.

Like you said, it’s rare a team will stay with a guy with a track record like Garrett.

You are making progress my friend

My perspective on that hasn’t changed. I mean, his first few years when he went 500 with a 500 team the argument was premature. But I’d never deny the Cowboys have been patient with Garrett as far as the playoff record is concerned.

My argument has always been that we’ve lost the playoff games for reasons unrelated to coaching so changing the coaches isn’t necessary. I still very much feel that way.

 

[Dre11]

Gee just how ignorant are you? Clearly you failed football 101. He took over in 2010. What teams were in the playoffs in 2009? What team THAT year of 2010 was considered a serious contender for the SB that would be at its home stadium? Really how dumb are you?

Obviously not as ignorant as you, he took over a team that was 1-7 in 2010 when he took over, that's a playoff contending team? What freaking playoffs were they contending for at 1-7? That team was broken at 1-7, any momentum or playoff rollover was done at 1-7. It's amazing the length you crazy fans will go to crap on the man. When he took over the team it was not a PLAYOFF CONTENDER...sheesh. You fans.

 

[Diehardblues]

At least you are finally starting to admit that Garrett would have been fired by now by just about every other team.

Like you said, it’s rare a team will stay with a guy with a track record like Garrett.

You are making progress my friend

I think the only way we can truly evaluate Garrett is thru Jerrys eyes.

If we evaluate him like we would other HC around the league we would all probably come to the same conclusions.

But there’s so many unknowns with Garretts authority and responsibilities under Jerry. We just can’t be sure what Jerry holds Garrett directly accountable for.

 

[Dre11]

'Inherit' is just a ridiculous term in this situation. He didn't inherit anything! He was here for the same 3 and half years as Wade Phillips and was just as much a part of the problem to begin with.

Other than his offense was ranked 10 ten in pts per game and yards in 2010 . So yeah he was there and his unit did their part.

 

[Diehardblues]

I’ve said from the beginning Garrett would probably be safe here as long as we were a relative contender .

Barring any kind of collapses we saw with Wade Garrett could be a great puppet for how Jerry wants to run football operations.

I think once Garrett won COY Jerry bought in that Jason has actually developed into a better coach than most of thought was possible . That provides Jerry all the ammo he needs to stay the course as there’s been just enough glimpses of success.

Shoot , after last year most fans felt that not only we were headed in a better direction it that Jason with Stephen were influencing Jerry to take a lesser role. Now because we took a step backwards in 2017 it’s like everyone has forgotten how far we’d come.

Some of those have even stated if we have success again this year then they might reconsider their feelings on Garrett which tells me they flip from year to year depending on the results.

 

[Dre11]

I’ve said from the beginning Garrett would probably be safe here as long as we were a relative contender .

Barring any kind of collapses we saw with Wade Garrett could be a great puppet for how Jerry wants to run football operations.

I think once Garrett won COY Jerry bought in that Jason has actually developed into a better coach than most of thought was possible . That provides Jerry all the ammo he needs to stay the course as there’s been just enough glimpses of success.

Shoot , after last year most fans felt that not only we were headed in a better direction it that Jason with Stephen were influencing Jerry to take a lesser role. Now because we took a step backwards in 2017 it’s like everyone has forgotten how far we’d come.

Some of those have even stated if we have success again this year then they might reconsider their feelings on Garrett which tells me they flip from year to year friending on the results.

Exactly, they're fickle fans, or front runners.

 

[Diehardblues]

Exactly, they're fickle fans, or front runners.

The best measurement for mgmt or coaching is; are we in a better place than when they took over?

I understand the frustrations under Jerry with Garrett. I’m not saying Garrett is a great coach but considering our situation with Jerry who’s coming in here.

We’ve brought a former HOF HC, one of the best coordinators to HC and not anymore success than Garrett has had.

Until I see a better option under Jerry I’m going to support Garrett. Not because of his coaching ability but his ability to have some influence with Jerry and hold together a team with all the distractions and negative impact Jerry’s ways present.

If we’re doomed it’s because of Jerry the only constant throughout all of these coaches.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Let me make sure I've got this straight.

A coaches inability to win playoff game means they are obviously the next Tom Landry?

Sounds legit.

The Cleveland Browns agree with this.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you want Garrett fired then your going to need to root for another 1-7 or 3 consecutive 5-11 type seasons.

Then hope like hell Jerry doesn’t bring in another flop puppet.

It would be different if we hadn’t had any success ,any glimpses or signs of building a better team but we have in recent years.

We’ve had 3 of the last 4 winning seasons and 2 of those playoffs. And we still only have had one losing season under Garrett. Not bad for a Jerry ran team this era.

It’s all in how you spin it.

 

[Dre11]

The best measurement for mgmt or coaching is; are we in a better place than when they took over?

I understand the frustrations under Jerry with Garrett. I’m not saying Garrett is a great coach but considering our situation with Jerry who’s coming in here.

We’ve brought a former HOF HC, one of the best coordinators to HC and not anymore success than Garrett has had.

Until I see a better option under Jerry I’m going to support Garrett. Not because of his coaching ability but his ability to have some influence with Jerry and hold together a team with all the distractions and negative impact Jerry’s ways present.

If we’re doomed it’s because of Jerry the only constant throughout all of these coaches.

I agree, I also see that this team is headed in the right direction, they have drafted well lately and putting pieces in place. I feel they're going to break through soon.

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree, I also see that this team is headed in the right direction, they have drafted well lately and putting pieces in place. I feel they're going to break through soon.

That’s where I’m different . I don’t have any higher expectations we are going to break thru. I’m not a half empty or half full fan. I’m a realist and accept things as they are.

We are what we are . A dysfunctional football franchise without the same opportunities most teams have. It amazes me we can even make the playoffs with Jerry Ball.

Our best hope is with more elite talent in key positions. The sooner we have an elite QB and or top 5 defense the closer we’ll be to breaking thru as you said assuming you mean making the Super Bowl which would be probably either a miracle , an accident or lucky with our franchise lol.

 

[Dre11]

That’s where I’m different . I don’t have any higher expectations we are going to break thru. I’m not a half empty or half full fan. I’m a realist and accept things as they are.

We are what we are . A dysfunctional football franchise without the same opportunities most teams have. It amazes me we can even make the playoffs with Jerry Ball.

Our best hope is with more elite talent in key positions. The sooner we have an elite QB and or top 5 defense the closer we’ll be to breaking thru as you said assuming you mean making the Super Bowl which would be probably either a miracle , an accident or lucky with our franchise lol.

If they win a Super Bowl, it's just as legit as any. I see this team with the same setup as others in the league, with most decisions made as a collective group with the only difference being the owner is The GM who takes the blame or credit. I bet most teams make decisions as a group with the GM being the guy taking the blame or credit. I don't see it as that much different. I consider my self a realist too, only I have quite a bit Optimism.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I agree, I also see that this team is headed in the right direction, they have drafted well lately and putting pieces in place. I feel they're going to break through soon.

Okay, I agree that our drafting has improved. But, our FA moves suck, and we lack creativity and discipline. I've read on other threads where it sounds like Linehan is getting more power on offense. I sure hope so. He's a WCO-style coach, but I think Garrett has stiffled him from that for the most part. The WCO welcomes creativity, and Linehan is a creative coach. I just don't think he gets the okay as much as he should to be creative. Linehan holds the key to improving our coaching.

 

[Bobhaze]

If they win a Super Bowl, it's just as legit as any. I see this team with the same setup as others in the league, with most decisions made as a collective group with the only difference being the owner is The GM who takes the blame or credit. I bet most teams make decisions as a group with the GM being the guy taking the blame or credit. I don't see it as that much different.

The difference is how other teams’ GMs qualified for and keep their positions. It’s based on performance. Our GM qualified for his position with his checkbook and keeps the job regardless of performance.

 

[Dre11]

Okay, I agree that our drafting has improved. But, our FA moves suck, and we lack creativity and discipline. I've read on other threads where it sounds like Linehan is getting more power on offense. I sure hope so. He's a WCO-style coach, but I think Garrett has stiffled him from that for the most part. The WCO welcomes creativity, and Linehan is a creative coach. I just don't think he gets the okay as much as he should to be creative. Linehan holds the key to improving our coaching.

No he isn't, he and Garrett shared the same philosophies. It's why he was brought here.

 

[Dre11]

The difference is how other teams’ GMs qualified for and keep their positions. It’s based on performance. Our GM qualified for his position with his checkbook and keeps the job regardless of performance.

He been the active Gm for 21 years. Has 3 rings, That's more than qualified.