Fire Zimmer Now!!!

[Concord]

But burro's can be very hard headed.

That burro believes you tried to cause him pain, even though he's not thinking logically, he blames you.

When you tie up the burro and begin to starve him, he will just believe this is another of your pain-causing tactics.

The burro will hold out as long as he possibly can, until no other solution can be found, then the burro will finally eat your carrots.

And in the end, the burro will believe it is you that have changed.

The hard-headed burro won't be wrong.

Yeah that was a real brilliant plan....Starve the Burro

 

[Mike 1967]

Yeah that was a real brilliant plan....Starve the Burro

Thanks !

But I cannot take credit

It is referred to as classical conditioning.

One of the pioneers in that science was Ivan Pavlov

"Ivan Pavlov's description on how animals (and humans) can be trained to respond in a certain way to a particular stimulus, has drawn a tremendous amount of interest ever since he first presented his findings. His work paved the way for a new and objective method of studying animal and human behavior."

 

[Concord]

Thanks !

But I cannot take credit

It is referred to as classical conditioning.

One of the pioneers in that science was Ivan Pavlov

"Ivan Pavlov's description on how animals (and humans) can be trained to respond in a certain way to a particular stimulus, has drawn a tremendous amount of interest ever since he first presented his findings. His work paved the way for a new and objective method of studying animal and human behavior."

It wouldn't work for the Burro....As he said the Burro would still think he's right!

I don't believe in classic conditioning for feeding a animal ( or Humans ) if they don't want to eat something...Feed them something else!

Give the Burro a apple...he dosen't want this guys carrots anymore...the Burro can make up his mind what he wants to eat...You don't have to starve him.

Let me guess you'd starve your kids to get them to eat something they didn't want?

 

[Mike 1967]

It wouldn't work for the Burro....As he said the Burro would still think he's right!

I don't believe in classic conditioning for feeding a animal ( or Humans ) if they don't want to eat something...Feed them something else!

Give the Burro a apple...he dosen't want this guys carrots anymore...the Burro can make up his mind what he wants to eat...You don't have to starve him.

Let me guess you'd starve your kids to get them to eat something they didn't want?

Your missing the point.

It's not that the Burro does not like carrots. It's that the Burro has been conditioned not to eat carrots from a certain persons hand.

The reason that Burro will not eat from that persons hand is because he has been conditioned (due to a bad experience) not to eat from the hand. So it is necessary to re-condition the Burro if you wish for him to eat from your hand.

In respect to your question regarding kids

First - There is a huge difference between a human child and an animal. I don't eat my kids....but I had a nice cow last night.

Secondly - Kids are conditioned all the time. It's called discipline. (AKA spanking, grounding, time out.) Punishment in and of itself is conditioning.

If my child continues to run out into the street...or to stick his her hand into a power socket...then as a parent it is my responsibility to "condition them" not to do this.

 

[Mike 1967]

It wouldn't work for the Burro....As he said the Burro would still think he's right!

I don't believe in classic conditioning for feeding a animal ( or Humans ) if they don't want to eat something...Feed them something else!

Give the Burro a apple...he dosen't want this guys carrots anymore...the Burro can make up his mind what he wants to eat...You don't have to starve him.

Let me guess you'd starve your kids to get them to eat something they didn't want?

Secondly, the issue I was providing advice on had nothing to do with whether the Burro thought he/she was right. It had only to do with getting the Burro to eat from your hand.

They have a name for that too...it's called reverse psychology.

Thanks for playing. You are making an otherwise boring day very delightful.

 

[Trip]

Secondly, the issue I was providing advice on had nothing to do with whether the Burro thought he/she was right. It had only to do with getting the Burro to eat from your hand.

They have a name for that too...it's called reverse psychology.

Thanks for playing. You are making an otherwise boring day very delightful.

Well in my story, you're the stubborn burro. And it appears to me you're trying every way possible to justify a view point that you had months ago (by your own admission), instead of just eating the carrots.

 

[Concord]

Secondly, the issue I was providing advice on had nothing to do with whether the Burro thought he/she was right. It had only to do with getting the Burro to eat from your hand.

They have a name for that too...it's called reverse psychology.

Thanks for playing. You are making an otherwise boring day very delightful.

Like I said you don't starve something to get it to eat something it dosen't want to eat..Either from his hand or from a bowl.

I don't care what you want to call it it's wrong.

 

[Concord]

Well in my story, you're the stubborn burro. And it appears to me you're trying every way possible to justify a view point that you had months ago (by your own admission), instead of just eating the carrots.

From what I've read on this thread he would argue with God.

 

[Trip]

But I agree, it has made the day go by quick.

 

[Mike 1967]

Well in my story, you're the stubborn burro. And it appears to me you're trying every way possible to justify a view point that you had months ago (by your own admission), instead of just eating the carrots.

I like carrots.

and the thoughts I shared on the Burro had nothing to do with the football topic at hand. I was simply telling you how to get the Burro to eat the carrots...because I thought it was an interesting story.

 

[Mike 1967]

Like I said you don't starve something to get it to eat something it dosen't want to eat..Either from his hand or from a bowl.

I don't care what you want to call it it's wrong.

I agree...you don't starve something to get it to eat something it would not eat. It's not that I call that right....it's simply that you are setting up a straw man.

The burro won't starve...he will get hungry....then he will eat from your hand and see that there is no danger in eating from your hand. I never said that the Burro would starve.

You really need to read the post and understand it before start lambasting it.

Others would say that it is not right for a human to own a burro....so at the end of the day I suppose it really depends on the personal perspective. But if I want to condition my burro to eat from my hand....and you don't like it...that's your problem And there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[Mike 1967]

From what I've read on this thread he would argue with God.

Nope...

That would be akin to trying to drive my head through 100 ft of concrete

 

[Concord]

I agree...you don't starve something to get it to eat something it would not eat. It's not that I call that right....it's simply that you are setting up a straw man.

The burro won't starve...he will get hungry....then he will eat from your hand and see that there is no danger in eating from your hand. I never said that the Burro would starve.

You really need to read the post and understand it before start lambasting it.

Others would say that it is not right for a human to own a burro....so at the end of the day I suppose it really depends on the personal perspective. But if I want to condition my burro to eat from my hand....and you don't like it...that's your problem And there is nothing wrong with it.

I understood the post...No the Burro wasn't going to starve to death....but you would starve it to get it to eat something it didn't want and that's where I disagree with you.

I'm glad I don't work for you and you're not my Dad.

You would take all the credit for my hard work without giving me any and you would starve me to get me to eat something I didn't want...Like Carrots!

J/K!

 

[Mike 1967]

Well in my story, you're the stubborn burro. And it appears to me you're trying every way possible to justify a view point that you had months ago (by your own admission), instead of just eating the carrots.

The basic premise of my viewpoint was correct.

If we overhauled the defense we would be better off....and we are.

The only thing I failed to consider was that you could completely overhaul a defensive scheme and keep the existing DC...even if he had no realtime experience with that scheme.

And the thing that some here seem to fail to grasp is that Parcells is the mastermind behind the recent success.

 

[Mike 1967]

I understood the post...No the Burro wasn't going to starve to death....but you would starve it to get it to eat something it didn't want and that's where I disagree with you.

I'm glad I don't work for you and you're not my Dad.

You would take all the credit for my hard work without giving me any and you would starve me to get me to eat something I didn't want...Like Carrots!

J/K!

No...I would not starve it to get it to eat something it did not want.

I would help it to overcome it's conditioning so that it could have the carrot that it desired.

My son would disagree with you. But then again, it is difficult to form a true perspective on a person off of a forum.