First pick narrowed down 2/21

[baltcowboy]

Corner is so deep, they may have 5 1st rd grades at the position and might be in a similar situation at 58 when they selected Joseph. I still believe it's the odds on favorite for 26.

It depends on who is there. I don’t think the Cowboys will draft any cornerback at 26 that does not fit their criteria. Forbes and the Utah cornerback won’t be Cowboys. I like 4 corners and I think all four will be gone by 26.

 

[Cowboyny]

It depends on who is there. I don’t think the Cowboys will draft any cornerback at 26 that does not fit their criteria. Forbes and the Utah cornerback won’t be Cowboys. I like 4 corners and I think all four will be gone by 26.

Banks, Cam Smith, Ringo, Forbes could all receive 1st rd grades, if not 1-2 of them will have 2nd rd grades for sure.

 

[baltcowboy]

Banks, Cam Smith, Ringo, Forbes could all receive 1st rd grades, if not 1-2 of them will have 2nd rd grades for sure.

I forgot about Ringo and Smith. Both of those guys could be Cowboys. They fit our criteria to a tee.

 

[MikeT22]

What changes from 10 to 20?

With the first rounder you still get the extra year so we should be targeting premium positions that have a longer shelf life.

Most of the time I’d oppose taking a RB in the first now days, definitely not in the top 10. It has been devalued in the draft for various reasons, but there are some exceptions later in the first. It’s hasn’t dropped initially to the level of PK or punter, where it’s a definite no in the 1st ever.

And what changes from say 10 to 26 where we are this year is in the top 10 you’d be choosing from several players at different positions grading out in the same range. Most years there are less than 20 players with a first round grade. Even if Bijan has a top 5 grade the gap wouldn’t be big enough between him and other positions who also have a top 10-15 first round grade.

But at 26, a legit top top grade and comparable to the top 4-5 backs over the last decade then he would easily be BPA and at a need area. Doubtful any other option would even have a 1st round grade at that point.

You still have to factor in the draft pool on top of the longevity issue. But I think a lot of teams now would have taken Henry in the first, especially in the 20’s as well as Barkley, Gurley, etc.

Perfect situations are teams like KC and Philly. They are already SB teams, few needs but could use a RB and are at the very bottom of the first. Plus Philly has the best 10th pick also. Probably the reason Gibbs is the most mocked player for the Eagles at 30, still likely a 1st round grade and probably BPA at that spot.

I think it will be moot though with Bijan because I think he will go in the top 25. And that point a possible 15-20 ranked player like Gibbs plus a deep RB class and multiple needs wouldn’t be enough for me to pull the trigger on him at 26.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Gibbs is a guy that I really like. It is still early (we haven’t even had the combine yet), but at this point, I would probably use a late first round pick on him. He can do anything you ask of him and with Pollard would be a dangerous duo.

There are guys that I might take over him, but at this point I see him as a late first round pick.

When it comes to the draft @AsthmaField knows his stuff. I enjoy reading his comments because I'm to lazy to keep up with college players.. But I'm not taking a RB until rounds 3-5. The drop off in RB's round to round is not as significant as other positions. I'm taking CB, OL, DL, LB,QB or WR. whoever is highest on your board

 

[Pass2Run]

Yeah...it any of those players were the actual pick, I'd trade down..or I'd feel ripped off.

I think I'd rather have Josh Downs than Jalin Hyatt anyway.

 

[Pass2Run]

Gibbs is a guy that I really like. It is still early (we haven’t even had the combine yet), but at this point, I would probably use a late first round pick on him. He can do anything you ask of him and with Pollard would be a dangerous duo.

There are guys that I might take over him, but at this point I see him as a late first round pick.

That just doesn't make sense when runningbacks are a dime a dozen.

We need lineman worse than running backs.

You can hardly justify a 2nd rounder on a back due to the quality you can get up to around the 6th round.

It's just not necessary and wouldn't be prudent.

 

[Cowboyny]

I forgot about Ringo and Smith. Both of those guys could be Cowboys. They fit our criteria to a tee.

Point is, it's a deep Corner class, but they are going to fly off the board due to the need at the position. Getting the #4 or #5 corner is still very good value, considering the next time you pick could be in that 8-10 range at the position.

 

[xwalker]

What changes from 10 to 20?

With the first rounder you still get the extra year so we should be targeting premium positions that have a longer shelf life.

The quality of players that you are bypassing in order to draft a RB decreases as you get later into the 1st round.

At 10 you might have the choice of #1 ranked CB or the #1 RB.

At 20 you might have the choiceof #4 CB or #1 RB.

At some point in the draft the different in talent between the #1 RB and the top rated players at other positions becomes large enough that it's worth drafting the RB.
- There is not magic point of delination for when that happens.
- If you draft Taco instead of Dalvin Cook, then it does not matter that you get the 5th year option with Taco.

 

[xwalker]

Point is, it's a deep Corner class, but they are going to fly off the board due to the need at the position. Getting the #4 or #5 corner is still very good value, considering the next time you pick could be in that 8-10 range at the position.

It is possible that the Cowboys #2 ranked CB is available at #26 even if 4 CBs were already drafted.

Diggs was the 8th CB taken in 2020; however, he was reportedly much higher than #8 on the Cowboys CB rankings.

There were 23 players drafted before my #1 ranked player in the 2022 NFL draft...

 

[rambo2]

And terrible value due to position.

Just remember that when Mayer scores td after td in the redzone or Gibbs takes it to the house from anywhere on the field.

 

[Cowboyny]

It is possible that the Cowboys #2 ranked CB is available at #26 even if 4 CBs were already drafted.

Diggs was the 8th CB taken in 2020; however, he was reportedly much higher than #8 on the Cowboys CB rankings.

There were 23 players drafted before my #1 ranked player in the 2022 NFL draft...

Very possible, as team's will have all these corners rated differently how they fit their team.

 

[rambo2]

The quality of players that you are bypassing in order to draft a RB decreases as you get later into the 1st round.

At 10 you might have the choice of #1 ranked CB or the #1 RB.

At 20 you might have the choiceof #4 CB or #1 RB.

At some point in the draft the different in talent between the #1 RB and the top rated players at other positions becomes large enough that it's worth drafting the RB.
- There is not magic point of delination for when that happens.
- If you draft Taco instead of Dalvin Cook, then it does not matter that you get the 5th year option with Taco.

There is a chance that the top player on their board will be a running back in every single round this year.

 

[rambo2]

When it comes to the draft @AsthmaField knows his stuff. I enjoy reading his comments because I'm to lazy to keep up with college players.. But I'm not taking a RB until rounds 3-5. The drop off in RB's round to round is not as significant as other positions. I'm taking CB, OL, DL, LB,QB or WR. whoever is highest on your board

Gibbs is different. He is a great runner and receiver. He creates mismatches in the passing game. Mayer is different at the tight end position. He creates mismatches with his outstanding ability to come up with contested catches and he is an outstanding blocker as well. Either player makes since at 26.

 

[baltcowboy]

Point is, it's a deep Corner class, but they are going to fly off the board due to the need at the position. Getting the #4 or #5 corner is still very good value, considering the next time you pick could be in that 8-10 range at the position.

This might be a Byron Jones pick. Hopefully they keep the guy at cornerback. Not gonna lie the top 5 tight ends look promising in this draft.

 

[xwalker]

That just doesn't make sense when runningbacks are a dime a dozen.

We need lineman worse than running backs.

You can hardly justify a 2nd rounder on a back due to the quality you can get up to around the 6th round.

It's just not necessary and wouldn't be prudent.

The probability of drafting a legit starting RB goes down significantly after round 2.
- When later round RBs do have significant success, it is normally not in their rookie season.

• The following are the top 9 in rushing yards from 2022.
  • 1st Josh Jacobs
  • 2nd Derrick Henry
  • 2nd Nick Chubb
  • 1st Saquon Barkley
  • 2nd Miles Sanders
  • 2nd Dalvin Cook
  • 1st Christian McCaffrey
  • 1st Travis Etienne

 

[Cowboyny]

This might be a Byron Jones pick. Hopefully they keep the guy at cornerback. Not gonna lie the top 5 tight ends look promising in this draft.

I want one of them! I'm crossing my fingers one slides to 58!

 

[cnuball21]

Most of the time I’d oppose taking a RB in the first now days, definitely not in the top 10. It has been devalued in the draft for various reasons, but there are some exceptions later in the first. It’s hasn’t dropped initially to the level of PK or punter, where it’s a definite no in the 1st ever.

And what changes from say 10 to 26 where we are this year is in the top 10 you’d be choosing from several players at different positions grading out in the same range. Most years there are less than 20 players with a first round grade. Even if Bijan has a top 5 grade the gap wouldn’t be big enough between him and other positions who also have a top 10-15 first round grade.

But at 26, a legit top top grade and comparable to the top 4-5 backs over the last decade then he would easily be BPA and at a need area. Doubtful any other option would even have a 1st round grade at that point.

You still have to factor in the draft pool on top of the longevity issue. But I think a lot of teams now would have taken Henry in the first, especially in the 20’s as well as Barkley, Gurley, etc.

Perfect situations are teams like KC and Philly. They are already SB teams, few needs but could use a RB and are at the very bottom of the first. Plus Philly has the best 10th pick also. Probably the reason Gibbs is the most mocked player for the Eagles at 30, still likely a 1st round grade and probably BPA at that spot.

I think it will be moot though with Bijan because I think he will go in the top 25. And that point a possible 15-20 ranked player like Gibbs plus a deep RB class and multiple needs wouldn’t be enough for me to pull the trigger on him at 26.

This CB class is loaded. There will be a 1st round CB when we pick or you take whatever other premium position falls.

Hard pass on RB in round 1. Give me a dude like Evans 2 rounds later that gives you 85% of the same production while getting a CB2 on a rookie deal that costs pennies instead of 12+ mil a year.

 

[baltcowboy]

I want one of them! I'm crossing my fingers one slides to 58!

If I trusted Tyron and/or Welesko I would be with you buddy but we need a left side linemen in the worst way.

 

[rambo2]

If I trusted Tyron and/or Welesko I would be with you buddy but we need a left side linemen in the worst way.

See Andrew Vorhees from USC. Imagine seeing Mayer, Tyler Smith, and Vorhees on that left side blocking for Tank Bigsby.