Fish: Campo on Hard Knocks problems

[jazzcat22]

Your both technically correct. You can pay a coach whatever you want in hopes of enticing him but at the same time if your in known cap hell for the next 3 years, have medicore talent, and have an owner that is known for being difficult to work with then money alone isn't enough

This is wrong, totally wrong.

1st Jerry is not difficult to work with, that is a fan hater thing. No coach ever said that about Jerry, even Parcels said it was a great working relationship.

And if any coach would turn down an opportunity to be HC when there are only 32 jobs like it in the world, I would not want them as my coach.
Yes there have been some that decide not to take a HC job, because the felt they had other opportunities, such as take a year off. Want to go a different direction at that time. But name them?

 

[Tussinman]

1st Jerry is not difficult to work with, that is a fan hater thing. No coach ever said that about Jerry, even Parcels said it was a great working relationship.

Yes and No. I never said on a personal level they don't like him. Jones being the GM and micro managing contracts, draft picks, and free agency is really offputting for alot of coaches (hard to coach and run a team when Jerry says "we have to keep this underperforming player because i'll look dumb if I cut him" or "you can be coach but this guy has to be our offensive coordinator").

And if any coach would turn down an opportunity to be HC when there are only 32 jobs like it in the world, I would not want them as my coach.

That's not what was being argued. The user I quoted was basically saying you could get a Bill Bellicheck level coach with a cowboys 2001-2003 era roster/dead cap simply if you just paid him enough money and then used Meyer as an example (both of those things are wrong)

 

[Stash]

Your both technically correct. You can pay a coach whatever you want in hopes of enticing him but at the same time if your in known cap hell for the next 3 years, have medicore talent, and have an owner that is known for being difficult to work with then money alone isn't enough

Keep in mind that guys like Belichick were still asking Jones for work. He signed with the Patriots on about the exact day we stupidly hired Campo.

 

[CWR]

I'm trying to forget those Campo years. Sheesh.

The SeaWorld trip was the worst. Seeing our tubby little head coach in a wet suit let me know right then and there this guy was incapable of demanding respect. Lol

 

[Tussinman]

Keep in mind that guys like Belichick were still asking Jones for work. He signed with the Patriots on about the exact day we stupidly hired Campo.

Bill his first day as Jets coach had a staff meeting in regards to how much control over the team he would have and there cap situation. He resigned the next day........ (there's literally zero chance he goes to the Jones camp who where in a worst situation than the Jets)

 

[dfense]

Campo was the worst head coach in Cowboys history.

He was stuck with an old crappy roster to. Lost Joey Galloway for the season in the first game. Chad Hennings, Lett, Stepnoski, Woodson, Ismail, Tolbert and Teague all to IR.

And Aikman, for all his talk about walking away because of the direction of the franchise was heading, threw a whopping 7 TDs in 11 starts.

Campo was also was saddled with (draw it up in the dirt) Randall Cunningham, then Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. They were doomed from the beginning.

 

[Stash]

Bill his first day as Jets coach had a staff meeting in regards to how much control over the team he would have and there cap situation. He resigned the next day........ (there's literally zero chance he goes to the Jones camp who where in a worst situation than the Jets)

Your attempted excuse does not hold up.

“When Belichick was hired, the Patriots were $10 million over the 2000 salary cap despite having only 38 players under contract (rosters are 53, of which 45 are activated on game day). “

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-2002-09-04-0209042429-story.html

 

[Stash]

He was stuck with an old crappy roster to. Lost Joey Galloway for the season in the first game. Chad Hennings, Lett, Stepnoski, Woodson, Ismail, Tolbert and Teague all to IR.

And Aikman, for all his talk about walking away because of the direction of the franchise was heading, threw a whopping 7 TDs in 11 starts.

Campo was also was saddled with (draw it up in the dirt) Randall Cunningham, then Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. They were doomed from the beginning.

Never forget that Galloway got injured at the end of a blowout loss on opening day when his in-over-his-head-coach had him still on the field

I won’t.

 

[Tussinman]

Your attempted excuse does not hold up.

Yes it does. Cowboys couldn't cut overpriced contracts like the Patriots could because they where eating dead money + New England gave him complete and absolute control which would of never happened here (which was also a large reason why he left the Jets)

 

[Alexander]

This is wrong, totally wrong.

1st Jerry is not difficult to work with, that is a fan hater thing. No coach ever said that about Jerry, even Parcels said it was a great working relationship.

And if any coach would turn down an opportunity to be HC when there are only 32 jobs like it in the world, I would not want them as my coach.
Yes there have been some that decide not to take a HC job, because the felt they had other opportunities, such as take a year off. Want to go a different direction at that time. But name them?

Coach Parcells was also going through a divorce and needed the cash. Don't underestimate that. It was a relationship born out of convenience.

 

[Motorola]

I'm trying to forget those Campo years. Sheesh.

At the actual time, viewing the last three Cowboys seasons under Tom Landry was more painfuI...but the circumstances were different. An NFL Legend the game was passing by, trying to keep an aging playoff team afloat - versus a rookie HC in over his head, whose tenure exposed the team as inept.

 

[CoachD]

5-11, 5-11, 5-11 there's your problem.

 

[Stash]

Yes it does. Cowboys couldn't cut overpriced contracts like the Patriots could because they where eating dead money + New England gave him complete and absolute control which would of never happened here (which was also a large reason why he left the Jets)

So it’s control now when before you were talking about the cap?

Way to move those goalposts.

 

[Alexander]

He was stuck with an old crappy roster to. Lost Joey Galloway for the season in the first game. Chad Hennings, Lett, Stepnoski, Woodson, Ismail, Tolbert and Teague all to IR.

And Aikman, for all his talk about walking away because of the direction of the franchise was heading, threw a whopping 7 TDs in 11 starts.

Campo was also was saddled with (draw it up in the dirt) Randall Cunningham, then Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. They were doomed from the beginning.

There are hundreds of coaches who should never ever have been elevated to the top of the staff. They probably all had bad rosters too.

Poorly run organizations hire stooges just like him and stock the team with cheap talent when they are looking for a method to cut costs.

 

[Flamma]

Who cares..

We aren’t a legit Super Bowl threat for awhile as long as this Dak contract is hanging over this teams head.

Might as well be entertained with some Hard knocks. That can be our Super Bowl.

I know people don't want to hear this, but what you say is most likely true. Hell, I don't want to believe it. This organization can't build a competitive team regardless of what they're paying the QB. Dallas had arguably one season where they were legit contenders, Dak's rookie year. And Dallas had no QB cap hit. So until I see differently, I'm expecting the usual 9-8 type season.

 

[Jfconrow]

Campo was the worst head coach in Cowboys history.

Outside of Matt Patricia for the Lions, Campo is probably one of the worst ever for any team. Campo at least was filling in.

 

[Alexander]

Outside of Matt Patricia for the Lions, Campo is probably one of the worst ever for any team. Campo at least was filling in.

Campo was better as a head coach than Rod Marinelli.

 

[Corso]

Campo was better as a head coach than Rod Marinelli.

Poor Lion's fans.

 

[Tussinman]

So it’s control now when before you were talking about the cap?

Way to move those goalposts.

I didn't move goalpost, your trying to fish for something that's not there because you can't argue what I stated (if anything your moving the goalpost/twisting worlds) . I originally stated the cowboys had 3 years of deadcap they couldn't get out of, medicore talent on the roster, and you had to deal with Jerry the GM. No high level coach hire wants to deal with either (that was the original post I made, completely rational and reasonable)

You then said why did he go to the Patriots if that ws the case and I pointed out 1. He didn't have to deal with Jerry the GM (Patriots gave him absolute control which was a sticking point with the Jets) and 2. You argued cap but reality was they where able to make it work because not alot of it was dead cap, they simply cut players that where underperforming there contracts (once again something that Jerry DOESN"T do).

Notice this reoccuring theme of Bill doing the opposite of Jerry Jones ? This theory that cowboys could get any coach they wanted in 2001 if they simply through enough money on the table is fantasy talk. The modern day example given by you was Urban Meyer who had the capital to draft arguably the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck and a team that's over 70 million under the cap. That's a far cry from the cowboys in 2001 lets be real

 

[Stash]

I didn't move goalpost, your trying to fish for something that's not there because you can't argue what I stated (if anything your moving the goalpost/twisting worlds) . I originally stated the cowboys had 3 years of deadcap they couldn't get out of, medicore talent on the roster, and you had to deal with Jerry the GM. No high level coach hire wants to deal with either (that was the original post I made, completely rational and reasonable)

You then said why did he go to the Patriots if that ws the case and I pointed out 1. He didn't have to deal with Jerry the GM (Patriots gave him absolute control which was a sticking point with the Jets) and 2. You argued cap but reality was they where able to make it work because not alot of it was dead cap, they simply cut players that where underperforming there contracts (once again something that Jerry DOESN"T do).

No, YOU argued that the cap was a reason and I priced that it wasn’t.

I never claimed anything about control. My entire point dealt with the misconception that Jones ‘couldn’t afford’ anyone, or that the salary cap had Jack to do with getting a good head coach. And it didn’t.

If you want to claim it’s about control now, that’s an argument I never made.

Notice this reoccuring theme of Bill doing the opposite of Jerry Jones ? This theory that cowboys could get any coach they wanted in 2001 if they simply through enough money on the table is fantasy talk. The modern day example given by you was Urban Meyer who had the capital to draft arguably the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck and a team that's over 70 million under the cap. That's a far cry from the cowboys in 2001 lets be real

You ‘be real’ first. The point again is that cost wasn’t an issue.