Fisher: Manziel top-rated QB on Cowboys board

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casmith07 said:
So what happens when Manziel doesn't win in Dallas, assuming the absurd hypothetical comes true?
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I guess the Earth keeps turning cause we haven't won in going on two decades anyway. Sad state of affairs. I feel bad for the younger fans who have known only this crap.
 
jterrell said:
That would be a fair point if any of those guys had put up those numbers versus the SEC West.
Alas, it is a fairly soft point, if a point at all, because none of those guys put up the overall numbers JM did with passing and running.

Again, Manziel put up those numbers, then met NFL desired measurables.
He also aced the Wonderlic.
He hasn't failed any test set before him except appearing to be humble.

Very few poor college players turn into NFL stars.

Good players tend to play well at every level.
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two words for you JT

Jamarcus Russell
 
tideh20heel said:
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I guess the Earth keeps turning cause we haven't won in going on two decades anyway. Sad state of affairs. I feel bad for the younger fans who have known only this crap.
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In due time.

But seriously...will all these guys aboard the Manziel Jockstrap Express go back on their man-love? Doubtful.
 
jterrell said:
You'd release or trade Romo before the 3rd day negating that 7.5m guarantee.
You'd owe 19.9M not 37 and you'd gain 17m of that back as his base lifts off the cap.

you would eat 19.2m for him but the cap hit if you did nothing but play him was 27m.

A rookie QB making 4 mil plus his 19.9m is still less than his currently scheduled cap hit for 2015.

Thanks for asking so I can clarify.

As to money... Manziel as a Cowboy would make an additional Jerry 50 to 100 million dollars in year 1.
He is must see TV... as our the Cowboys. Where everyone in town has a Romo jersey already everyone would have to plop down 75 bucks to buy a Manziel one.
Financially adding Manziel is a no brainer.

As to dead money... that is pointless. It costs Jerry nothing out of his pocket ad we have double digit million dead money almost every season.
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There is ALREADY 7.5m guaranteed in salary for 2015 because he was on the roster this year past the third day of the 2014 business year. So that is 7.5m in REAL money, not cap money that is coming out of Jones pocket for nothing if we cut Romo.

So his 2015 cap number would be that 7.5m in guaranteed salary, plus 10.773 prorata for 2015, 9.135 for 2016, 7.5 for 2017 and 2.5 for 2018. His cap number would be 37.48m instead of his current number of 27.8. So adding Manziel's number of 4m that YOU suggested means paying over 40m in cap space at the QB position in 2015. Hardly going cheap at the QB position.

Over the cap says we have 19m in cap room for next year...but we only have 41 contracts on the book. Add 10 more min contracts and that number drops to about 15m. Adding Romo's additional cap hit of 9.6m plus Johnny Football's leaves us with pocket change. And, oh yeah, we still haven't signed Dez or Tyron to new deals. Selvie will be up, so will Carter and Murray and a few others.

If you are talking about cutting him before the 3rd day of 2015 league year AND making him a June 1st cut if that is possible....he still would account for about 18.3m in dead money in 2015 and about 20m in 2016. So you are still paying around 22m for the QB spot although you would save some in cap space in 2105 and a 1.5m increase in the 2016 cap hit. You would really receive any benefits of having a young QB until the 3rd year of his deal. Whoopie!

(Waiting for xwalker to come in and check my math)
 
Sydla said:
Just out of curiousity, if we take Manziel, what are you doing with Romo?

You aren't drafting Manziel to sit him for 2-3 years behind Romo. If you blew your first round pick on Manziel and then sat him behind Romo that would be a truly waste of your first round pick. So if Jones has visions of getting Manziel, is 2014 the last year for Romo (or maybe this is a sign they are more worried about his back than they let on)?
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We cant get rid of Romo for several more seasons due to the dead money on his contract after his most recent restructure.

If we released/traded Romo today................................$49 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after this season...............$37.4 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2015 season.......$19.1 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2016 season........$10 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2017 season........$2.5 million in dead money


Spags has basically said that Romo's contract was set up to be a 3 year iron clad agreement which the Cowboys could not get out of early and Romo knows he probably wont play beyond it. So we got Romo for 2014, 2015, and 2016. Then we can dump Romo and only have to absorb $10 million in dead money.

This is why the idea of drafting Manziel is so stupid. Either he is going to sit on the bench for 3 seasons or if he starts, we are going to have the most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL. As you can see, we cant just dump Romo because the dead money would cripple the roster.
 
Beast_from_East said:
We cant get rid of Romo for several more seasons due to the dead money on his contract after his most recent restructure.

If we released/traded Romo today................................$49 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after this season...............$37.4 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2015 season.......$19.1 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2016 season........$10 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2017 season........$2.5 million in dead money


Spags has basically said that Romo's contract was set up to be a 3 year iron clad agreement which the Cowboys could not get out of early and Romo knows he probably wont play beyond it. So we got Romo for 2014, 2015, and 2016. Then we can dump Romo and only have to absorb $10 million in dead money.

This is why the idea of drafting Manziel is so stupid. Either he is going to sit on the bench for 3 seasons or if he starts, we are going to have the most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL. As you can see, we cant just dump Romo because the dead money would cripple the roster.
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If Romo gets hurt, or his performance warrants a benching, the Cowboys do not have to start or play Romo.
The Cowboys front office has some leverage if a younger QB appears on the scene & performs at a higher or equal level to that of Romo.

Then in the off season, facilitate a trade by re-working his contract to a team willing to pay for Romo's services.
In short, Romo's contract does not preclude the team from drafting a QB.
With the rookie wage scale, the salary for a 1st round QB is not obstacle ~ but rather an important investment & asset for the future.

If the opportunity presents itself drafting a QB is about not only proactively preparing the team for the future, but also creating competition at the QB position where the current starter is aging & experiencing reoccurring health issues which can affect his performance on the field.
 
Western said:
If Romo gets hurt, or his performance warrants a benching, the Cowboys do not have to start or play Romo.
The Cowboys front office has some leverage if a younger QB appears on the scene & performs at a higher or equal level to that of Romo.

Then in the off season, facilitate a trade by re-working his contract to a team willing to pay for Romo's services.
In short, Romo's contract does not preclude the team from drafting a QB.
With the rookie wage scale, the salary for a 1st round QB is not obstacle ~ but rather an important investment & asset for the future.

If the opportunity presents itself drafting a QB is about not only proactively preparing the team for the future, but also creating competition at the QB position where the current starter is aging & experiencing reoccurring health issues which can affect his performance on the field.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think you can rework dead money.

So if we trade him to a team, we have to eat his remaining unprorated amount.
 
Beast_from_East said:
We cant get rid of Romo for several more seasons due to the dead money on his contract after his most recent restructure.

If we released/traded Romo today................................$49 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after this season...............$37.4 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2015 season.......$19.1 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2016 season........$10 million in dead money

If we released/traded Romo after the 2017 season........$2.5 million in dead money


Spags has basically said that Romo's contract was set up to be a 3 year iron clad agreement which the Cowboys could not get out of early and Romo knows he probably wont play beyond it. So we got Romo for 2014, 2015, and 2016. Then we can dump Romo and only have to absorb $10 million in dead money.

This is why the idea of drafting Manziel is so stupid. Either he is going to sit on the bench for 3 seasons or if he starts, we are going to have the most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL. As you can see, we cant just dump Romo because the dead money would cripple the roster.
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you are assuming Romo is going to stay healthy all this time,the evidence points to more frequent career threatening injuries
 
Dallas is stuck with the 7.5m guaranteed money next year and the pro rata signing bonus. That isn't going away.
 
Beast_from_East said:
This is why the idea of drafting Manziel is so stupid. Either he is going to sit on the bench for 3 seasons or if he starts, we are going to have the most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL. As you can see, we cant just dump Romo because the dead money would cripple the roster.
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Wrong.

A first round QB can be contracted with a fifth year option. And he wouldn't be the "most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL". I suppose paying someone like Orton 3 years, 10.5M is okay to you? To put it in perspective, Bills QB E.J. Manuel got a 4 year and 8.8 M contract as the sixteenth choice last year.
 
Alexander said:
Wrong.

A first round QB can be contracted with a fifth year option. And he wouldn't be the "most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL". I suppose paying someone like Orton 3 years, 10.5M is okay to you? To put it in perspective, Bills QB E.J. Manuel got a 4 year and 8.8 M contract as the sixteenth choice last year.
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He's talking about Romo being the backup.
 
Alexander said:
Wrong.

A first round QB can be contracted with a fifth year option. And he wouldn't be the "most expensive backup QB in the history of the NFL". I suppose paying someone like Orton 3 years, 10.5M is okay to you? To put it in perspective, Bills QB E.J. Manuel got a 4 year and 8.8 M contract as the sixteenth choice last year.
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He's taking about Romo being the backup.
 
FWIW my best friend works with the Panthers Oline Coach's son and he texted me today and told me that they have Manziel ranked with a 3rd round grade. With both thought it was too low but I guess when you have a young franchise qb it's not a high ranking position.
 
Hopefully the The Romo extension is the last bad contract for a long time...
 
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