Fisher on Chaz Green

[skinsscalper]

I would hope so for a guy who has been in the league for 5 years. But again, a rookie nearly equaled what he did in his third year. But the argument was, Leary should have started even if Collins was healthy. No. There wasn't a huge drop off in production losing Leary. Actually, Leary was playing quite poorly last year. Collins should and obviously will be the starter in the future, higher ceiling, younger, and will just get better with more playing time.

Leary will get his paycheck with another team and this fanbase will forget out him like they did with Parnell.

You seem to forget that Leary was injured last year, also. It doesn't fit your narrative so it's no surprise that you conveniently ignored it. Also, there was never a debate about who should be the future at the position. Collins is younger and doesn't have a degenerative knee condition. The argument was who is the better player RIGHT NOW and who should be starting RIGHT NOW. It's Leary, regardless of Collins' health. He's played better than even a healthy Collins this season. Keep spinning your wheels.

 

[skinsscalper]

Green could be the answer or he could be a cut.

Green's not getting cut, brother. He's a 3rd round pick and they're going to, at the very least, ride out that rookie contract and see what they have.

 

[dallasdave]

Green's not getting cut, brother. He's a 3rd round pick and their going to, at the very least, ride out that rookie contract and see what they have.

I know he is on the team a couple more years, hope he pans out. Next year he can try to win that starting RT job from the Dallas Cowboys 2017 1st round pick an OT

 

[skinsscalper]

I know he is on the team a couple more years, hope he pans out. Next year he can try to win that starting RT job from the Dallas Cowboys 2017 1st round pick an OT

I think the kid has a damned good shot at it.

And NOOOOOOO to an OT in the 1st next year!

 

[dallasdave]

I think the kid has a damned good shot at it.

And NOOOOOOO to an OT in the 1st next year!

Come on you know Jerry likes his OL

 

[mattjames2010]

You seem to forget that Leary was injured last year, also. It doesn't fit your narrative so it's no surprise that you conveniently ignored it. Also, there was never a debate about who should be the future at the position. Collins is younger and doesn't have a degenerative knee condition. The argument was who is the better player RIGHT NOW and who should be starting RIGHT NOW. It's Leary, regardless of Collins' health. He's played better than even a healthy Collins this season. Keep spinning your wheels.

Playing better? Says who? Do you have grades on this or this another eye test?

But yet again, you're missing the point. You would be wanting to bench our future guard, because you perceive Leary to be playing better. Even though you know Leary isn't going to be here in the future due to health issues.

You play your future guard, you don't bench him. You give him as many reps as possible.

 

[skinsscalper]

Come on you know Jerry likes his OL

Actually, a smart team never passes on a player that is rated quite a bit higher than the next guy, regardless of position. If an OT is sitting at our pick and he's rated as a top 15 player but the next guy is a DE rated as a top 30 player, you take the OT.

 

[skinsscalper]

Playing better? Says who? Do you have grades on this or this another eye test?

But yet again, you're missing the point. You would be wanting to bench our future guard, because you perceive Leary to be playing better. Even though you know Leary isn't going to be here in the future due to health issues.

You play your future guard, you don't bench him. You give him as many reps as possible.

You get very few opportunities to make a run for a championship. You play whoever is playing better RIGHT NOW. The future is for the future. Rico Gathers might be the future at TE. I'm not benching Witten to "give him reps". Ditto for Kevon Frazier at safety. You're philosophy is absurd in a win now league. But by all means, carry on.

 

[mattjames2010]

You get very few opportunities to make a run for a championship. You play whoever is playing better RIGHT NOW. The future is for the future. Rico Gathers might be the future at TE. I'm not benching Witten to "give him reps". Ditto for Kevon Frazier at safety. You're philosophy is absurd in a win now league. But by all means, carry on.

If that play is exceedingly better than the one behind him, I would agree. But as has already been discussed, it's not much better (At least comparing Leary's 2014 with Collins 2015). Without Leary, we still ended up with the #1 ranked O-line last year. We actually improved in the run blocking with how it graded out.

You don't take your future guard who gave the starting job to last year after week 3, just to bench him again for a guy who will no longer be on the roster next year. Talk about absurdities.

Your examples here are piss poor. Gathers is a raw project, Collins was a first round potential player who hasn't reached his high ceiling. You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Plankton]

Dude you need to recheck your stats.... he wasn't drafted until 2015....have no Idea were you got he played 11 games in 2014 at Left Tackle..guess Tryon Smith took the year off. The kid is just collecting a paycheck.....

He was referring to his final year at Florida.

 

[dallasdave]

Actually, a smart team never passes on a player that is rated quite a bit higher than the next guy, regardless of position. If an OT is sitting at our pick and he's rated as a top 15 player but the next guy is a DE rated as a top 30 player, you take the OT.

I love our OL and and if the OT was a top player get him.

 

[skinsscalper]

If that play is exceedingly better than the one behind him, I would agree. But as has already been discussed, it's not much better (At least comparing Leary's 2014 with Collins 2015). Without Leary, we still ended up with the #1 ranked O-line last year. We actually improved in the run blocking with how it graded out.

You don't take your future guard who gave the starting job to last year after week 3, just to bench him again for a guy who will no longer be on the roster next year. Talk about absurdities.

Your examples here are piss poor. Gathers is a raw project, Collins was a first round potential player who hasn't reached his high ceiling. You're comparing apples and oranges.

And, AGAIN, Collins took over for an injured Leary last year in week 3.


Also, I'm comparing one player who is better than another player. It's not rocket science, yet strangely, you fail to comprehend (shocking). When the rubber hits the road you play the better player. I'm not surprised that you fail grasp that simple concept.

I'm done with you, now. Run along, then.

 

[mattjames2010]

And, AGAIN, Collins took over for an injured Leary last year in week 3.


Also, I'm comparing one player who is better than another player. It's not rocket science, yet strangely, you fail to comprehend (shocking). When the rubber hits the road you play the better player. I'm not surprised that you fail grasp that simple concept.

I'm done with you, now. Run along, then.

No, you were not doing that. You took a raw project player and talked about his "potential" of removing Witten, a future HOF, from his starting job. This is not comparable.

When you have two players, who give nearly the same production, go with your young player who is the future. I'm wondering why YOU are struggling. And yet again, our run blocking improved with Collins last year (If we are just basing things on correlation). Whether you want to say Leary's injury is why he lost his job, the simple fact is, he lost it. He lost it last year and didn't win it back in camp this year.

Also, I would gladly take some grades from you that tells me Leary is playing at a higher level than Collins.

 

[Nova]

Injury history says we should keep lookin'

 

[T-RO]

Actually, a smart team never passes on a player that is rated quite a bit higher than the next guy, regardless of position.

Smart teams never draft for need? I doubt that very much.

A good GM doesn't make a habit of it, but there are times...don't you think?

 

[skinsscalper]

Smart teams never draft for need? I doubt that very much.

A good GM doesn't make a habit of it, but there are times...don't you think?

Absolutely, if the need falls close to the value that you're picking at. But, like I said if your sitting at your pick and your looking at an OT ranked as a top 15 player or a DE rated as a top 30 player, you take the OT (regardless of need). Needs (for the most part) should be addressed in FA. The draft is about value and building towards the future.

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[ghst187]

oh man i REALLY want to keep Leary (I know it'll be expensive) at LG and move Collins to RT with Chaz as the swing. Although I think that seems to be the general consensus here so I'm probably not saying anything new.
Leary seems to bring a nastiness in the run blocking

 

[Sarge]

My only question is - when does that "future" begin?

It already has.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Injury history says we should keep lookin'

This is his issue. Physically and technically, I believe he is/will be a good starting RT. But if he can't be relied upon to be available each week, he'll always be relegated to a backup position. I wish we could rotate him in for 15-20 snaps each game but that's clearly not going to happen with the continuity and rhythm the OL is displaying.