Fisher: says it will be Ramsey over Zeke
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StarBoyz83
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MO and Carr are gone next year so I can see this happening.
I have really warmed up to taking zeke but see no way Dallas pays a rb that kind of money.
I have really warmed up to taking zeke but see no way Dallas pays a rb that kind of money.
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I'm fine either way.
Ramsey would be a huge addition to our defense. Especially if Marinelli would use him right and not just stick him at Corner.
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Well the money isn't real bad at the top of the draft anymore and you're getting fresh legs for 5 years.
With all of the OL signings we will have to make over the next 5 years I think having our top Corner on a rookie deal would be beneficial.
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Ramsey definitely is.
Zeke is probably not because of the position he plays and him not being a Adrian Peterson type of talent.
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I don't see why people think he's better at safety then he was at CB. 0 turnovers forced at FS in 2015, 5 turnovers forced (2 ints, 3 FFs) at CB in 2014, 2 turnovers forced (1 int, 1 FF) at CB in 2013.
Yes he's physical and yes he's a good blitzer, but he even had more sacks as a CB then he did at FS.
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CB is a waste of a pick if they dont take a pass rusher at 34. If they do and get good production from them both picks work out
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I don't doubt this and I'm fine either way. Odds are, he wont have much of an impact this year.
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Since 1989, only 3 safety's/corner backs have been selected #4 or higher.
Eric Turner, Charles Woodson, & Shawn Springs.
By contrast, 22 DT/DE have been selected #4 or higher since 1989.
That draft position deserves & mandates playmaking status production in college - you know, interceptions.
At least Elliot produced yards and touchdowns in college.
Similarly, Bosa produced sacks in college.
Drafting a guy because you hope & project that he will be like a NFL player is not a draft strategy.
Collegiate production matters when selecting a player at #4 (no matter what position -- even an OL's production can be measured).
If he wasn't a ball hawk in college - he ain't going to be one in the NFL.
Eric Turner, Charles Woodson, & Shawn Springs.
By contrast, 22 DT/DE have been selected #4 or higher since 1989.
That draft position deserves & mandates playmaking status production in college - you know, interceptions.
At least Elliot produced yards and touchdowns in college.
Similarly, Bosa produced sacks in college.
Drafting a guy because you hope & project that he will be like a NFL player is not a draft strategy.
Collegiate production matters when selecting a player at #4 (no matter what position -- even an OL's production can be measured).
If he wasn't a ball hawk in college - he ain't going to be one in the NFL.
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What if Wentz goes to Philly and Elliot goes to NYG and they are both studs and Ramsey is just a really good player?
That would make me sick.
WE screwed up not finding a way to get Wentz on this roster.
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Fisher also said we weren't touching Hardy last year too. So umm yea no one know what we will do but I actually like Joseph more than brick hands Ramsey
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The price was just too much for Wentz. He's not Andrew Luck coming out of college.
I'll admit, I want Elliott though.
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If zeke is E. James or M. Faulk? He's not worth 4?
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i don't want another corner this high I think its a mistake but they will do what they do.
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Since it appears pretty obvious to you that neither player is worth the 4th pick, don't you agree it is quite problematic trying to trade the pick? Who is going to give up much in a trade for players obviously not worth it?
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He's not Faulk so let's dismiss that.
Edge? mmmmm .. Edge probably isn't worth a top 5 pick in todays game.
RB's just don't go that high anymore unless they are a freak talent. I don't think he is that. He's really good though.
Nobody wants to invest in RB's because you can find guys that produce at a high level later on and the injury risk is so high that you don't want 5 million dollars sitting on the sideline.
I really like Zeke. I just don't think it's a good longterm move. I could be wrong though and i'll be happy with Ramsey or Zeke.
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Elliott is a primo player. I suspect someone would trade up for him.
My desire to not take Elliott at 4 isn't because I think he's a bad player. It's because I believe with the way this team is constructed with the assets on the OL, you don't need to spend a high pick on a TB to be successful. So in that sense, the value in the 4th pick is much higher trading it for more picks than taking the TB. But make no mistake, I suspect someone would want that spot for Elliott as he's a very good player.