Flo vs Salary cap?

[starfrombirth]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

 

[silverbear]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

Perhaps you should start by getting a grip on reality... as in, the Cowboys can make a play for free agents if they so desire, they just don't particularly like the options available to them right now...

But they have all kinds of ways of creating cap room... start with signing Ken Hamlin to a long-term deal, then get Marion Barber's name on a long-term deal as well... those two moves alone could free up 2.5 million... I've read that Tony Romo's deal is structured so that the Boys can free up to 5 mil if they renegotiate with him, too...

What would have been STUPID would be to let a perennial Pro Bowler leave, when they could afford to retain his services...

 

[dooomsday]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

Dont worry, we will trade down and have 1 first and 6 7th rounders who dont require much $.

 

[Bryan8284]

So..you would rather entrust day 2 picks to protect Romo's blindside? His $67 million blindside?

The Flozell deal might be pricey, but he is a top 5, if not top 3, left tackle.

The deal is mainly a 3 year deal, gives us breathing room in the back half since Flozell will be up there.

There is about $4 million in space. Hamlin eats a lot because of the tag, but a new deal lowers that. A new Barber deal or Canty deal could lower their numbers. Rook pool isn't more than $3 million tops, and that is being generous.

 

[starfrombirth]

Dont worry, we will trade down and have 1 first and 6 7th rounders who dont require much $.

Actually, I'm afraid of a scenario much like that . I know it won't be quite that drastic, but I do see Jerry and Stephen trading down a lot so that we have multiple 3rd and 4th round picks uke: I know that I've made a lot of enemies about Flo but in my opinion, just because he is voted to the probowl does not make him a probowl caliber player (see Roy Williams and Larry Allen). Go ahead, tell me those 2 are great players for the last couple of years as well. I dare you. Flozell is NOT that great of a player and does NOT deserve the money we forked over for him. To all of Flozell's apologists, enjoy this upcoming season. He got paid and now there is no reason for him to work hard and I will cringe everytime Romo gets buried by Flozell's guy and shake my head every time he has a false start or a holding penalty ( and these will happen alot). Enjoy! :bang2:

 

[silverbear]

Actually, I'm afraid of a scenario much like that . I know it won't be quite that drastic, but I do see Jerry and Stephen trading down a lot so that we have multiple 3rd and 4th round picks uke: I know that I've made a lot of enemies about Flo but in my opinion, just because he is voted to the probowl does not make him a probowl caliber player

That might be true if he was just selected once, there have been players in that game who didn't deserve it... but when you get voted in as often as Adams has, you're one of the best tackles in the game...

If you don't understand that he's one of the best in the game, then you don't know that much about pro football...

Flozell is NOT that great of a player and does NOT deserve the money we forked over for him.

And yet, he wouldn't have stayed on the open market for more than 48 hours before a number of other teams came calling, looking to throw that kind of money, or even more money, at him...

To all of Flozell's apologists, enjoy this upcoming season. He got paid and now there is no reason for him to work hard and I will cringe

Seems fair, since this thread makes any knowledgeable football fan cringe... your knowledge of market value for players, as well as your ability to analyze those players' abilities, is laughable...

 

[AmishCowboy]

I don't see where signing a Pro Bowl level LT is a bad idea, Flo went up against the best pass rushers in the league and more the held his own. We must keep our Franchise QB standing.

 

[starfrombirth]

That might be true if he was just selected once, there have been players in that game who didn't deserve it... but when you get voted in as often as Adams has, you're one of the best tackles in the game...

If you don't understand that he's one of the best in the game, then you don't know that much about pro football...



And yet, he wouldn't have stayed on the open market for more than 48 hours before a number of other teams came calling, looking to throw that kind of money, or even more money, at him...



Seems fair, since this thread makes any knowledgeable football fan cringe... your knowledge of market value for players, as well as your ability to analyze those players' abilities, is laughable...

It's not like you silverear to attack posters personally but out of fairness, I'll retaliate. Because I don't feel the same as you I don't know much about football? I'm not some 12 year old kid posting on here. I've been watching football and more importantly, my team, for some 34 years. I may not have played the game at the pro or even college level but I still know the game. Because you are blinded by the fact that Flozell plays for our team, does not mean you know any more than I do. And the fact that a player is voted repeatedly to the probowl doen't make them probowl calibre any more than 1 year (again see Roy Williams and Larry Allen). The probowl is a popularity contest and I've seen you say much the same thing on this very board. I'm not going to go back and point out all of his penalties and released men. I'm not going to point out Romo's scrambling ability that saved Flo a ton a sack counts. I don't have to. Your smart enough to have seen and know these things already. The fact that other teams may or may not have paid a lot more money for him speaks more about their cap room and the market demand for ANY decent LT than his actual ability. Did you see what Oakland paid for their players? Can you honestly tell me that teams are paying for ability. Come on Silverbear, we all expect better from you.

 

[starfrombirth]

So..you would rather entrust day 2 picks to protect Romo's blindside? His $67 million blindside?

The Flozell deal might be pricey, but he is a top 5, if not top 3, left tackle.

The deal is mainly a 3 year deal, gives us breathing room in the back half since Flozell will be up there.

There is about $4 million in space. Hamlin eats a lot because of the tag, but a new deal lowers that. A new Barber deal or Canty deal could lower their numbers. Rook pool isn't more than $3 million tops, and that is being generous.

I appreciate you taking the time to point out the numbers to me, I really do. Although I think we are in trouble as far as the rookie pool goes (how does that work). The top ten rookies would count far more than that for their teams? How do new deals Lower Canty's and Barber's cap hit? The salary cap adjustment is something that confuses me. As far as Flo being a top 5 or 3 LT, I guess we'll agree to disagree and I do. I think most of us on here are homers for him and think he is all world because he plays for us and Romo is able to escape a lot of defenders. But I guarantee if he played for someone else, we would be laughing that he killed his team like he did and still wants the kind of money he got. There is a reason Romo had to scramble like he did this year. I know everyone is going to point out all the times colombo lost his guy or someother lineman but other than Bigg, no one else is getting this kind of money. Sorry but I thought Flo lost his man far more than he should have for a "TOP 5 or top 3" left tackle.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well I don't care for the length of Adams contract, in all honesty the salary cap hit over the next two seasons isn't bad-- only a little over $3 mill per year.

That $3 mill wasn't going to allow the Cowboys to set the world on fire when it came to signing free agents.

Secondly, the rookie allocation for the Cowboys is only about $2.2 mill due to the rule of 51 that Adam has explained on several occassions. So we do have enough cap space to sign our rookies.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well I don't care for the length of Adams contract

Uncapped years might be the answer to why he got such a long deal.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Uncapped years might be the answer to why he got such a long deal.

I think that's exactly what Jones is thinking considering Adam's cap charge get's huge in 2010 and that at least appears to be a potential uncapped year. Heck, we may not have football period that season.

 

[dbair1967]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

letting him go would have been incredibly stupid

he's counting 3.26million on the cap this yr...thats bargain basement dollars for a good LT, let alone one who's made multiple pro bowls

and everyone needs to take teir hand off the panic button in terms of signing free agents or draft picks...when the time comes I am 100% sure we'll have plenty of funds to do either...its been one week of free agency, we dont truly NEED anything...and we definitely didnt NEED anything enough to go out and waste huge dollars on the mediocre crop of free agents that were out there

Adams, Hamlin, Canty and Barber...they could very arguably be called the top-4 free agents on the market, and we got them all...or are you one of those who doesnt count those?

David

 

[arync]

Sign TO to an extention and reduce his 7 million cap charge

 

[Fatty_VM]

He only gave up 3.5 sacks on the year. I'll take that at his price in a heartbeat. Who cares if he is averaging slightly more than a false start in every 2 games.

 

[starfrombirth]

letting him go would have been incredibly stupid

he's counting 3.26million on the cap this yr...thats bargain basement dollars for a good LT, let alone one who's made multiple pro bowls

and everyone needs to take teir hand off the panic button in terms of signing free agents or draft picks...when the time comes I am 100% sure we'll have plenty of funds to do either...its been one week of free agency, we dont truly NEED anything...and we definitely didnt NEED anything enough to go out and waste huge dollars on the mediocre crop of free agents that were out there

Adams, Hamlin, Canty and Barber...they could very arguably be called the top-4 free agents on the market, and we got them all...or are you one of those who doesnt count those?

David

No. I agree that they are probably the top free agents on the market and I'm not denying that they are talented or needed. My point is only about Flozell. We have a lot of young talent behind him that is being praised. And if this is truly his cap hit, then I can't really complain about him either. What I'm having a hard time understanding is: How did we go from 15.8 million under the cap before his signing and then 3.8 after but he only counts 3.3 mill against the cap. Are you seriously trying to tell me that franchising Hamlin and tendering Canty and Barber counted another 9 million? And part of my issue as well is that unlike other poster on here, I don't think Adams is really that talented. He gets pushed way too easily by much smaller lineman, called for penalties (often numberous times on the same drive) that kill our chances, can't run block for crap, and lets his guy chase Romo all over the field. Sorry if that rubs people raw but that is what I see everytime I watch Flo. I'm sure he is a great guy but I'm not sold on the hype. That's all.

 

[Yeagermeister]

No. I agree that they are probably the top free agents on the market and I'm not denying that they are talented or needed. My point is only about Flozell. We have a lot of young talent behind him that is being praised. And if this is truly his cap hit, then I can't really complain about him either. What I'm having a hard time understanding is: How did we go from 15.8 million under the cap before his signing and then 3.8 after but he only counts 3.3 mill against the cap. Are you seriously trying to tell me that franchising Hamlin and tendering Canty and Barber counted another 9 million? And part of my issue as well is that unlike other poster on here, I don't think Adams is really that talented. He gets pushed way too easily by much smaller lineman, called for penalties (often numberous times on the same drive) that kill our chances, can't run block for crap, and lets his guy chase Romo all over the field. Sorry if that rubs people raw but that is what I see everytime I watch Flo. I'm sure he is a great guy but I'm not sold on the hype. That's all.

Hamlin counts for over 4 mil then I think Canty and Barber are 2 mil each

 

[starfrombirth]

He only gave up 3.5 sacks on the year. I'll take that at his price in a heartbeat. Who cares if he is averaging slightly more than a false start in every 2 games.

Again, this says more about Romo's ability to scramble than Flo's ability to block. But go ahead and stay with the party line. It's the safe thing to do.

 

[yesfan]

The O line is one area that was probably one of the better ones
around the league.There maybe someone in the wings that could
step up,but until that happens let that person earn that position
and not have another questionable area that has already been proven
to be very solid.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is: How did we go from 15.8 million under the cap before his signing and then 3.8 after but he only counts 3.3 mill against the cap. Are you seriously trying to tell me that franchising Hamlin and tendering Canty and Barber counted another 9 million?

That is correct. There was another tender or two in there also.