Flo vs Salary cap?

[Fatty_VM]

Again, this says more about Romo's ability to scramble than Flo's ability to block. But go ahead and stay with the party line. It's the safe thing to do.

Steve Young was widely regarded as one of the greatest scrambling quarterbacks of the game was being ripped apart for 29, 31, 31,25,21,34,35 and 48 sacks for his starting seasons.

Romo's skills for his first full season starting are either better than the HOF'r or our line is as good / better than the mid 90's 9'rs.


I like Romo but he isn't Steve Young. Our line was damned good last year and Flo was a HUGE part of it.

 

[sago1]

Besides I understand that Jason Garrett called Jerry the night before we signed Flozel to lobby to keep him. Then at the right time in the negotiations the next day, coincidentally Romo called Jerry expressing same need to re-sign Flozel. Doubt both did that JUST cause Flozel's a nice guy. Flozel's contract is essentially a 3 year deal which is what most of us wanted.

Count me as one of those who didn't want to overpay for Flozel but was also very concerned if one of our inexperienced young OTs started at LT in his place. Gotta admit that thought made me wince with concern over possibility of losing Romo to an injury which would devaste Cowboys' chances this year. As for all Flozel's false starts, I'll continue to cringe ever time it happens this year; but then I'll remind myself each time it happens it's because of his desire to protect Romo's blindside.

 

[Sandyf]

First, lets get the numbers straight.

We were 15 million under cap before we signed Flo, before we franchised Hamlin, before we tendered not only Barber and Canty but also Berger.

Their franchised and tendered number are these:
Hamlin - $4,396,000
Barber - $2,560,000
Canty - $2,017,000
Berger - $927,000

That is $9,873,000 to substract from the $15,000,000 and it doesn't include the ERFA tenders we have to make.

I am not and have never been a great fan of Flo's but based on what was available in free agency and what he has done the last few years, he was and is the best option. Is McQuistan ready, maybe and he will battle Kosier at LG. Is Doug Free the LT? According to the Cowboys, he may be our next great RT not LT. And Marten, well by all accounts he can be a very good LT but still hasn't come around as well as they expected. Yes, we have Colombo and he is signed through 2008 but if we sign him to a long term deal then we will know that Free and Marten are nothing but backups.

Flo's contract is actually pretty cap friendly the first three years and none of us know what the new CBA agreement will look like in two years. One thing is fairly certain and that is the players union and NFL owners are never going to let it get to the uncapped year. Why, because it would affect to many dollars on both sides and neither want to kill the golden goose.

Yes, the owners will opt out in November but you can bank on a new contract done before the 2009 season officially ends in late February of 2010.

One other thing on Flo's, if the papers are right, Romo also stuck his nose into the contract negiotations and asked that Jerry get it done because he trusted Flo on his left side. That should be all we need to know about keeping Flo!!

 

[Cowboys22]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is: How did we go from 15.8 million under the cap before his signing and then 3.8 after but he only counts 3.3 mill against the cap. Are you seriously trying to tell me that franchising Hamlin and tendering Canty and Barber counted another 9 million?

You should seriously try and keep yourself informed if you are going to take positions like you do.

Franchishing Hamlin - $4.4 million
Tendering Barber - $2.5 million
Tendering Canty - $2.0 million
Signing Thomas - $1.25 million
Tendering Berger - $900,000
Signing LP Lan. - $500,000???

Trading Fergy - Save $2.5 million

Add them all up and then account $3.2 million for Adams and you get to our current cap figure. All of these numbers were readily available and posted on this site numerous times.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

I was and am still happy that they signed Flo. So were the coaches and QB. We have plenty of salary cap room to sign our Draft picks, which should not exceed $3million and we will not need until the summer anyway. What exactly do you feel they are messing up?

 

[Boysboy]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

You DO know that that LT is like the 2nd most valuable player on the O side of the ball, right? Does '05 ring a bell? Remember when Torrin Tucker got destroyed by some journeyman Skins DE? And you DO know we gave Romo some $67m, right?

And besides, Flo's contract is probably backloaded anyways-so what he makes in '08 probably didn't take much of a hit to the cap.

 

[superpunk]

I don't think Adams is really that talented. He gets pushed way too easily by much smaller lineman, called for penalties (often numberous times on the same drive) that kill our chances, can't run block for crap, and lets his guy chase Romo all over the field.

You should watch the Cowboys sometime. We've got a pretty good team now - it's pretty entertaining. Check 'em out when you get a chance.

 

[Boysboy]

You should seriously try and keep yourself informed if you are going to take positions like you do.

Franchishing Hamlin - $4.4 million
Tendering Barber - $2.5 million
Tendering Canty - $2.0 million
Signing Thomas - $1.25 million
Tendering Berger - $900,000
Signing LP Lan. - $500,000???

Trading Fergy - Save $2.5 million

Add them all up and then account $3.2 million for Adams and you get to our current cap figure. All of these numbers were readily available and posted on this site numerous times.

Yep-with all this talk about "We're quiet in FA", we already HAD our's during the month of Feb. Look at the Giants-they lost 2 valuable starters, while we pretty much resigned all our's.

And for that matter-if we somehow threw away money to get that overrated Samuels, I would have been livid.

 

[Boysboy]

You should watch the Cowboys sometime. We've got a pretty good team now - it's pretty entertaining. Check 'em out when you get a chance.

Again-that poster you responded too didn't see a Cowboy game in '05.:bang2:

 

[silverbear]

It's not like you silverear to attack posters personally

Hey, you called me STUPID, since I've long been one of the biggest supporters of the Boys re-signing Adams... I took exception to that, and returned fire... if you were looking for reasonable debate on this subject, taking an antagonistic pose isn't the way to make it happen...

You got back what you put out there... perhaps there's a lesson in that for you...

Because I don't feel the same as you I don't know much about football?

No, if you don't recognize that Flozell Adams is one of the five best left tackles in the game, false starts and all, you don't know much about football... if you think that the deal he signed is not fair market value these days for an offensive tackle with his resume, then you're just not paying attention...

And if you think the Cowboys' offseason thus far has been anything other than a rousing success, you're clearly beyond hope... they came into the offseason with 14 players who have been in the Pro Bowl in the last two years, 3 of which were free agents... they managed to keep all 3, and even add a 15th player who has been in the Pro Bowl in the last two years (Zach Thomas)...

A team with the kind of success the Boys enjoyed last year, with the wealth of talent that they have, is doing well not to lose any of the players they deem key... and clearly, even if you with your inflated sense of your own football IQ, think that signing Adams was STUPID, the boys who run my favorite team clearly didn't...

Excuse me if I side with them on this one...

I'm not some 12 year old kid posting on here. I've been watching football and more importantly, my team, for some 34 years. I may not have played the game at the pro or even college level but I still know the game.

So you think, and yet here you are, generally being ridiculed for the little rant you treated us to...

Come on Silverbear, we all expect better from you.

Aw gee, and I care SO much about your approval...

Seriously, hoss, I don't ever remember having a problem with you before, but this thread you started was garbage, plain and simple, nothing more than a rant...

 

[heir]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

Just name me 5 LTs that are better.

 

[iceberg]

So where are all those people saying how great it was to sign Flozell? Did the reality of the salary cap sink in? We now have less than 4 million to sign 2 1st rnd picks plus all the rest of our picks. I said it b4 and I'll say it again... signing Flozell to that kind of money was STUPID. Oh well! Too late now. Now what do we do? Any answers?

we wring our hands and cry out at the injustices of the world in that every move we don't like is a sure sign of apocolyptic doom and long for the day we're right once in all this so we can say SEE! I WAS RIGHT! hoping no one brings up all the times we were wrong as well.

that's what i'd do anyway.

 

[THUMPER]

Just name me 5 LTs that are better.

And name one of those that was available to be Flo's replacement.

We made the right choice in re-signing him and got him at a bargain to boot.

 

[starfrombirth]

Again-that poster you responded too didn't see a Cowboy game in '05.:bang2:

I'd be willing to bet that I've seen every available game since before you were born, but continue on... It's what's expected of you :laugh2:

 

[starfrombirth]

You should seriously try and keep yourself informed if you are going to take positions like you do.

Franchishing Hamlin - $4.4 million
Tendering Barber - $2.5 million
Tendering Canty - $2.0 million
Signing Thomas - $1.25 million
Tendering Berger - $900,000
Signing LP Lan. - $500,000???

Trading Fergy - Save $2.5 million

Add them all up and then account $3.2 million for Adams and you get to our current cap figure. All of these numbers were readily available and posted on this site numerous times.

Actually I looked and couldn't find a detailed breakdown like this. Thank you for providing it and being concerned about my research abilities.

 

[starfrombirth]

we wring our hands and cry out at the injustices of the world in that every move we don't like is a sure sign of apocolyptic doom and long for the day we're right once in all this so we can say SEE! I WAS RIGHT! hoping no one brings up all the times we were wrong as well.

that's what i'd do anyway.

Fine. When I'm wrong, point it out. I can take it. I don't often take a stance like this one, so I'm willing to take that chance. I find it hilarious that so many posters screamed about Flozell during the season while all those mistakes were happening but now are so quick to forget them. Great! He's a talented LT but don't let me see you scream about his penalties in the upcoming season because I don't care how talented the pool is behind him, there is no chance of anyone taking his spot now .... just like Roy W. Once you pay that kind of money you have to play them to justify their contracts no matter how bad they are. Say whatever you want about McQ, Free, Marten or whomever. They will never get a chance now. That's fine if you all think I'm a football idiot because I don't like Flozell but it doesn't change my opinion about him or my team. I just hope Romo's 67million dollar backside doesn't get crippled because of him. This is the last I'll say about Flozell in any post so you can all take a breather. I just hope I'm wrong in this. :starspin

 

[heir]

Fine. When I'm wrong, point it out. I can take it. I don't often take a stance like this one, so I'm willing to take that chance. I find it hilarious that so many posters screamed about Flozell during the season while all those mistakes were happening but now are so quick to forget them. Great! He's a talented LT but don't let me see you scream about his penalties in the upcoming season because I don't care how talented the pool is behind him, there is no chance of anyone taking his spot now .... just like Roy W. Once you pay that kind of money you have to play them to justify their contracts no matter how bad they are. Say whatever you want about McQ, Free, Marten or whomever. They will never get a chance now. That's fine if you all think I'm a football idiot because I don't like Flozell but it doesn't change my opinion about him or my team. I just hope Romo's 67million dollar backside doesn't get crippled because of him. This is the last I'll say about Flozell in any post so you can all take a breather. I just hope I'm wrong in this. :starspin

No need to hope.....

 

[iceberg]

Fine. When I'm wrong, point it out. I can take it. I don't often take a stance like this one, so I'm willing to take that chance. I find it hilarious that so many posters screamed about Flozell during the season while all those mistakes were happening but now are so quick to forget them. Great! He's a talented LT but don't let me see you scream about his penalties in the upcoming season because I don't care how talented the pool is behind him, there is no chance of anyone taking his spot now .... just like Roy W. Once you pay that kind of money you have to play them to justify their contracts no matter how bad they are. Say whatever you want about McQ, Free, Marten or whomever. They will never get a chance now. That's fine if you all think I'm a football idiot because I don't like Flozell but it doesn't change my opinion about him or my team. I just hope Romo's 67million dollar backside doesn't get crippled because of him. This is the last I'll say about Flozell in any post so you can all take a breather. I just hope I'm wrong in this. :starspin

oh, it's a friday and i'm just having some fun while there's still some snow on the texas ground. : )

and if flo gets injured, we'll find out pretty fast.

 

[BigDFan5]

And if this is truly his cap hit, then I can't really complain about him either. What I'm having a hard time understanding is: How did we go from 15.8 million under the cap before his signing and then 3.8 after but he only counts 3.3 mill against the cap. Are you seriously trying to tell me that franchising Hamlin and tendering Canty and Barber counted another 9 million?

Umm yes they did count for 9 million

Hamlins tag is over 4 mill

2.5 mill for Barber

2 mill for Canty

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only people who have serious issue with bringing back Flo to protect Romo are the ones who believe in the Madden ability to just adjust Free or McQ's stats so that they're not losing anything with them.