Flozel, Demarcus, PacMan, Martellus, T. Newman

[Typhus]

T.O., Wade Phillips, Joe DeCamillis and we can add the Krakken and Carr to this list next year once we cut or dont sign them again. This is not a thread that we should have kept or paid all of these players to stay. To take it further, I would venture to say that we should not have paid many of them based on their performance on or off the field. The point of this thread is to state that when we they left we thought they were all done, yet they left playing poorly (all but TO) and then they perform better for their new teams.

This points to the culture of the Dallas Cowboys. Im not placing the blame at anyone in particulars feet, but there is something wrong with the culture of the Dallas Cowboys and it funnels down to the product on the field.

Add David Harris to your list

 

[thechosen1n2]

Most of your criticisms are silly. You & I know nothing will materially change because Jerry doesn't
have to change anything. He continues to fill his stadium, even with the other teams fans. He
continues to sell merchandise buy the Chinese boatloads. He continues to get Dallas area suckers
to pony up big bucks for corporate boxes and suites. He continues to get the biggest audiences
for Dallas Cowboy games. His net worth and the value of the Cowboys franchise continues to
grow. What else could you or he want. Everything is ducky, right?

My criticisms arent silly. If I expected them to suddenly change, that would be silly.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Yeah the Cowboys have released way, way more guys who were unsuccessful elsewhere too.

Don't get bent out of shape for no reason.

On the flip side of things Rolando McClain and Darren McFadden have really turned their careers around here very recently.

There are small details missing in both of these instances. They both came from the raiders. 1 of very few teams whose culture is worse than the cowboys.

 

[LittleD]

My criticisms arent silly. If I expected them to suddenly change, that would be silly.

okey dokey then...

 

[thechosen1n2]

We were 12-4 last year. We were 4-12 this year with the loss of Dez, Romo, and Murray. I think for the most part, my math is better than yours.

I think this is the best argument Ive seen thus far. I think we would have been a playoff team this year with Dez and Romo...Romo first and foremost healthy. But this isnt just about last year. This just points to how good Romo is. Weve known for years, or let me say Ive said for years...get Romo a Defense that doesnt allow records for most 12 pt 4th quarter comebacks in a 2 year period. It still points to something being wrong. Our approach is backwards.

 

[CCBoy]

I think this is the best argument Ive seen thus far. I think we would have been a playoff team this year with Dez and Romo...Romo first and foremost healthy. But this isnt just about last year. This just points to how good Romo is. Weve known for years, or let me say Ive said for years...get Romo a Defense that doesnt allow records for most 12 pt 4th quarter comebacks in a 2 year period. It still points to something being wrong. Our approach is backwards.

A couple of catch 22's: 2014 saw the Dallas defense accomplish 30+ turnovers. Injuries hurt that side of the ball as well.

This will be year three in a defense being run by Rod Marinelli. The turn around time allowed by most observers in the NFL, is by the fourth season it should be manned and fully functional.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

T.O., Wade Phillips, Joe DeCamillis and we can add the Krakken and Carr to this list next year once we cut or dont sign them again. This is not a thread that we should have kept or paid all of these players to stay. To take it further, I would venture to say that we should not have paid many of them based on their performance on or off the field. The point of this thread is to state that when we they left we thought they were all done, yet they left playing poorly (all but TO) and then they perform better for their new teams.

This points to the culture of the Dallas Cowboys. Im not placing the blame at anyone in particulars feet, but there is something wrong with the culture of the Dallas Cowboys and it funnels down to the product on the field.

I am sorry...what success? flozel was pretty much done when he left. he went to Pittsburgh a well established team in need of a tackle and he was average at best, so lets not make it like he was a probowler.... same with TO..he had some of his best eyars in dallas and then went to two teams in two years and was forced to retire....

wade phillips....if you listened to the superbowl...... there where 20 DCs hired before him when he went to Denver and was out of a job for a year...only his relationship with kubiak got him the job. so lets not make it as if he all of a sudden flourished. read the article about John Elway....the one thing that stood out to me was that he had learned....80% of a team and their play is the players...20% the coaches...wade has Demarcus Ware, Von Miller as bookend pass rushers plus a pretty good DB field and nice DL....there is a boat load of talent on that team....they had top 3 defense in 2014 and 2012.....

and no one thought they were all done....it was time to go..... find a different venue........

 

[thechosen1n2]

I don't think many people thought most of them were done, they just got too expensive in some cases
Just because you let a player walk doesn't mean you think he is done. Many times it's about having a cheaper option

My point is this. Ware,

How long did he play "after" leaving the Cowboys? And, I think he was a starter formost of that time.....

He started for the Bengals for 3 years, and then went to the Vikings.

 

[thechosen1n2]

What about all the guys who left and were done?

Nothing is 100 percent. Sometimes people that were done get cut. Some of those guys I mentioned needed to go. I understand all that, but it seems when they leave the become more disciplined (flozell, pac man) Both are less talented than they were when they left dallas but started playing better. Marty B and Witten could have been ridiculous together. We didnt use him right.

With all that said. I think we have a chance to do something special with Dez Romo and this line. We need to get a good safety and not mess this window up. Last year was just bad luck, but to lose that many games we were in last year...points to lack of intestinal fortitude.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Not sure just stating what Aikman said. Not sure it is centered around the act of practicing as it is to a trend of dysfunction.

The years...look at the last 20 years. Look at the games lost and th playoffs missed because of lack of discipline.

 

[Silver N Blue]

The years...look at the last 20 years. Look at the games lost and th playoffs missed because of lack of discipline.

I hear ya been there every year since the 70's. Hard to sit here and fathom this once dominate franchise is nothing more than a mediocre shell of it's former existence since 96. We as fans sit here and root against the franchises that have caught or surpassed all of the postseason records and understand that "rooting against" instead of rooting for and watching our team participate has become our SB. Stinks but still proud to be a fan.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

My point is this. Ware,

He started for the Bengals for 3 years, and then went to the Vikings.

I thought he was there longer than 3 years,,,,,ummm I know the money wasnt going to work in Dallas.....But "we". "We" as in fans were calling him washed up. He took alot of heat that last year here in Dallas....

Zimmer loved him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you are assigning him too much blame because it is far too painful to assume he has been resisting the things that we do. I think he is exactly like his father and no more or less culpable.

I agree. I don't think Stephen has had the kind of influence needed to drive a lot of decisions until more recently.

 

[CCBoy]

I agree. I don't think Stephen has had the kind of influence needed to drive a lot of decisions until more recently.

Stephen had to be shown the ropes and depth of managerial NFL history, by his own Dad, Jerry. Let us not kid ourselves, how much that now older man has gained and yea, earned through the years. A second generation of ownership, that has suffered and fought out the battles in the trenches...in Stephen, looks mighty attractive at least to this fan.

 

[Redball Express]

T.O., Wade Phillips, Joe DeCamillis and we can add the Krakken and Carr to this list next year once we cut or dont sign them again. This is not a thread that we should have kept or paid all of these players to stay. To take it further, I would venture to say that we should not have paid many of them based on their performance on or off the field. The point of this thread is to state that when we they left we thought they were all done, yet they left playing poorly (all but TO) and then they perform better for their new teams.

This points to the culture of the Dallas Cowboys. Im not placing the blame at anyone in particulars feet, but there is something wrong with the culture of the Dallas Cowboys and it funnels down to the product on the field.

Hmmm..

as they say..

Hindsight is 20/20

I saw nothing wrong with letting these guys go when we did.

Injuries had changed their values especially with Ware and Newman.

For them to still succeed somewhere else is not so surprising.

But they are costing their teams a lot less than we would be shelling out.

And Phillips was never going to be our DC after being HC.

So that is just obvious.

I'm happy for all of them and they will always be Cowboys.

But you move on, bro.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Stephen had to be shown the ropes and depth of managerial NFL history, by his own Dad, Jerry. Let us not kid ourselves, how much that now older man has gained and yea, earned through the years. A second generation of ownership, that has suffered and fought out the battles in the trenches...in Stephen, looks mighty attractive at least to this fan.

I would agree, at least at this point. I think Stephen will be a better GM then Jerry but of course, the ultimate test is time CC.

 

[plasticman]

This is nothing new. This is genuine Jerry Jones to the T.

Nothing will change. Jerry will be Jerry and he'll run the ship as he pleases.

There should be a law that NFL teams don't really BELONG to an owner ... as in, the owner cannot do as he pleases. NFL teams are public property, and the owner is only a steward who shares in the riches. But an owner cannot play fantasy football with is NFL team. Stewardship must be passed along once the current owner is deemed incapable.

20 years says Jerry Jones is incapable.

"I don't believe someone can own the Dallas Cowboys. The fans own the Dallas Cowboys". - Jerry Jones 1992

 

[MikeT22]

Sadly, I don't have much faith that it will change much under Stephen. I think he too will wear the title of GM and continue on 1) making money, 2) trying to build a football team.

At least with Stephen, I don't think he'll be so egotistical to not hire a good HC. Besides personnel, that has been a huge issue. The pattern since Jimmy has been intentionally hiring lesser HC's so as not to be overshadowed by the HC or having to give up too much control. The only time that pattern was broken was with Parcells, but Jerry had ulterior motives wanting approval for the new stadium and needing someone to fix things quick after the Campo debacle. But after BP we went right back to the mediocre Wade and learning on the job Garrett. Not exactly who you'd hire if you really wanted to win as bad as Jerry claims he does.

 

[DandyDon52]

Ware is now healthy and is playing with other good DL , and von miller.
IN dallas he was the only good DL so defenses could handle him better.

Denver had a all star DL and LB and CB this year. It paid off and won them a SB.

But @ the OP many players go to other teams and play better . Many Dallas players have upped their game after leaving dallas.