Flozel, Demarcus, PacMan, Martellus, T. Newman

[BAT]

I think Dallas has to mold their own identity instead of looking at last years winner and trying to emulate. We draft players to fit into a system then we change the system and I think it has a lasting effect.

Cowboys under Jerry is obviously incapable of molding their own identity. At least a championship identity. Unless you believe 20 plus years is not giving him enough time. Ignoring systems that have proven successful to do it your way is the path towards extinction. Haven't you heard the phrase, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Jones vision for success and his ability to execute it have proven to be lacking, in every way possible. It is beyond time for a change. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Not changing a broken system has a much more lasting effect, never mind how many great players you draft or acquire.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

thank god for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders though.............

 

[JoeBoBBY]

This thread makes me smile. The reason why DWare couldn't quite get it done here is because we lacked interior push from our Dline. Had we had that, he'd be the GOAT. As far as newman goes, he's done. Vikings fans want him out. He had his best years with us and has hung on for as long as he has because there isn't anyone better challenging him. I am sure he won't be starting next year.

How long did he play "after" leaving the Cowboys? And, I think he was a starter formost of that time.....

 

[Doomsday101]

Cowboys under Jerry is obviously incapable of molding their own identity. At least a championship identity. Unless you believe 20 plus years is not giving him enough time. Ignoring systems that have proven successful to do it your way is the path towards extinction. Haven't you heard the phrase, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Jones vision for success and his ability to execute it have proven to be lacking, in every way possible. It is beyond time for a change. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Not changing a broken system has a much more lasting effect, never mind how many great players you draft or acquire.

I'm not going to get into the Jerry hate BS, he is the owner of the Cowboys like it or not. I think it is funny though that in 2014 his critics were quick to say Jerry had nothing to do with it and he was not really running things and then after a poor season this year Jerry is back in the hot seat and it is all him. I wonder should Dallas have great success next season what the critics will say? lol

As far as I'm concerned there are things I disagree with Jerry on and some things I do like.

 

[BAT]

I'm not going to get into the Jerry hate BS, he is the owner of the Cowboys like it or not. I think it is funny though that in 2014 his critics were quick to say Jerry had nothing to do with it and he was not really running things and then after a poor season this year Jerry is back in the hot seat and it is all him. I wonder should Dallas have great success next season what the critics will say? lol

As far as I'm concerned there are things I disagree with Jerry on and some things I do like.

Let's not deal with the subjective "Jerry hate" stuff. Let's deal with facts. Fact#1, Jerry is the Cowboys GM for last 20 plus years. Fact #2, Jerry has not sniffed a championship since Jimmy left.

Jerry is a great owner. He is an abominable GM. Any other GM would have been fired YEARS ago.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I'm not going to get into the Jerry hate BS, he is the owner of the Cowboys like it or not. I think it is funny though that in 2014 his critics were quick to say Jerry had nothing to do with it and he was not really running things and then after a poor season this year Jerry is back in the hot seat and it is all him. I wonder should Dallas have great success next season what the critics will say? lol

As far as I'm concerned there are things I disagree with Jerry on and some things I do like.

I like Jerry. As a person and a businessman. I think he is "old school" good guy. I think he is a stand up kinda guy. I think he is funny as #$$%^. I genuinely like him as a person.

After his performance as GM for the last 20 years though, for the life of me, I dont understand why he still hires himself for that role. Wether I think it makes a difference or not. Given the results, why does Jerry , Keep Jerry , with the title of GM?

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's not deal with the subjective "Jerry hate" stuff. Let's deal with facts. Fact#1, Jerry is the Cowboys GM for last 20 plus years. Fact #2, Jerry has not sniffed a championship since Jimmy left.

Jerry is a great owner. He is an abominable GM. Any other GM would have been fired YEARS ago.

Do not disagree but I sure as hell will not cry over stuff I don't control. If I felt that much disdain for Jerry I would not watch his team and it is his team. That is your choice to watch or not. I'm not making excuses for Jerry but I think it is pointless to have the daily BS about Jerry.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like Jerry. As a person and a businessman. I think he is "old school" good guy. I think he is a stand up kinda guy. I think he is funny as #$$%^. I genuinely like him as a person.

After his performance as GM for the last 20 years though, for the life of me, I dont understand why he still hires himself for that role. Wether I think it makes a difference or not. Given the results, why does Jerry , Keep Jerry , with the title of GM?

I get what your saying. If I was an owner of a team I would not hire Jerry as a GM. I get all that. I get amused by those who like to jump on board with a player they like then claim well you know that was the coaches pick or someone else pick not Jerry but as soon as a player bust it was all jerry. All the bad season that was Jerry but winning season Jerry played no part. Does Jerry deserve blame? sure he does all I have asked is critics to be consistent when it comes to casting stones or giving kudos

 

[cej757]

We're a country club....seriously.

Last week I got a big pamphlet in the mail from the Cowboys for the new facility in Frisco. On the back cover it said 'Where the Country Club meets the NFL.'

Good Grief

 

[BAT]

Do not disagree but I sure as hell will not cry over stuff I don't control. If I felt that much disdain for Jerry I would not watch his team and it is his team. That is your choice to watch or not. I'm not making excuses for Jerry but I think it is pointless to have the daily BS about Jerry.

Not crying. Discussing. I am as big a homer as the next guy, but Jerry the GM needs to go. Jerry the owner is a HOFer, and anyone would love to have an owner as passionate as supportive as Jerry, he just needs to look in the mirror and Trump himself.

Just do not understand the belief that if I disagree with the organization over something, I have the option of not watching or not being a fan. I always have that option, but as a die hard I choose not to exercise it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not crying. Discussing. I am as big a homer as the next guy, but Jerry the GM needs to go. Jerry the owner is a HOFer, and anyone would love to have an owner as passionate as supportive as Jerry, he just needs to look in the mirror and Trump himself.

Just do not understand the belief that if I disagree with the organization over something, I have the option of not watching or not being a fan. I always have that option, but as a die hard I choose not to exercise it.

Ok but Jerry is not going, so we hash the same things over and over that is until they win as they did in 2014, yet few said Jerry played any part it was Stephen taking over and you could see the changes being made but as soon as we have the 2015 season BAM it is all Jerry. I'm sure you are a fan why else would you be here? Should Dallas live up to expectation that odds makers have for next year who will say well Jerry finally got it done? I seriously doubt many will most will slight him and find someone to credit.

As any fan I come here and give my views on issues and things I will disagree with that the Cowboys have done and things I agree with.

 

[Silver N Blue]

... Silver N Blue is mistaken.

Troy explicitly stated the practices exhibited in Dallas, ie. culture. Not the actual "practices" he just inferred.

Completely different meaning.

Yeah went into that in my reply back thanks.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Aikman did not say that. Not unless his concussion was acting up because Aikman knows the practice time is mandated by the CBA.
I have heard Aikman refer to some of the injured players like Dez and Tony missing practice time so maybe that's what he was talking about.
Garrett has them practice as they are allowed. He may have given them one or two extra days off the entire season.

He talked about practice but he was referring to the overall culture needed to change. I will look for the link so you can take a look if you like.

 

[foofighters]

How long did he play "after" leaving the Cowboys? And, I think he was a starter formost of that time.....

You're missing the point. TNew he's been serviceable but he needed to get out of Dallas. Our DB's are better than he was towards the end. That's not saying much at all. Our DB's still need some help.

 

[JoeKing]

Yep ... the Jones Dynasty needs to be dismantled. That's the only way we're going to see another Super Bowl trophy. This isn't a mom and pop shop which is handed down to the kids. There's too much at stake here, and the Cowboys are public property. They do not belong to the Jones'.

Then sue them and see what happens.

 

[iceberg]

move this **** to rant please.

 

[mattjames2010]

Flozel Adams - Left here, was part of an OL that got Big Ben sacked 32 times in 12 games. Retired after 2010
Demarcus Ware - Again, for the people who don't pay attention to any other teams, Ware was hampered by injuries that slowed production in 2014, and missed 5 games this year due to injury. He's also part of ensemble now, he's not the star of the defense like he was here.
PacMan - What about him? He screwed up here, came back football a year later and played average to good while with the Bengals. Big deal, HE was the problem, not Jerry or the "country club"
Newman - Again, what about him? He played okay as a nickel corner with the Bengals. He played poorly for us due to being on the outside while losing a step with age.
T.O - Looked lousy in Buffalo, had some good games with the Bengals before ending his career with an injury.
Bennett - Stuck behind Witten. Was a clown here. Good to great TE at times, with his size and speed, he still never reached his potential.
Wade Phillips - He got HC jobs because of his remarkable defenses, no one ever doubted he is a borderline defensive genius.
Joe DeCamillis - Yeah, I'm mourning us letting him go.

What was the point of this again?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Any situation in life will have a different outcome if the situation is moved to another locale.

Those players were done here. But assembled with the players on the other team where they went on and played longer than this board of football genius thought speaks more to the team they went to, and the situation that caused them to thrive.

It also speaks about this team that has "so much talent" who can't seem to find the right mixture of of players and coaches to make this franchise a champion.

You can point to Garrett, and possibly be semi-correct about his skill set missing out on success.

But what is the most common denominator of leadership over the last twenty years that has failed to produce one appearance in the NFC Championship game?

Yeah, you know...

 

[CCBoy]

Sorry guys, I enjoyed the many runs. Some successful, some not. I don't have a hangup that includes a 20 year plan...that doesn't even work in Russia.

I was sitting in the Alamodome when Bill Parcells walked past my wife and me to the field for his first Cowboys practice. I rooted for the Cowboys when Tom Landry was struggling futily, and when Bill was at it's head. I like Jason Garrett, and his gathered staff.

If I could change but one thing, myself, it would be this. That the team aggressively attack the black 'n blue month of December. That is when real runs are given birth.

Jason has to better get his team ready to start a season, and prepare them to be ready for the many challenges that come their way through a season. He has to impart a better understanding and focus for what a season brings.

I think that the team is not afraid of challenge or to be physical. To me, they need to be taught how to fight through the battles on the field. Having the cavalry, Tony Romo, always showing up to save the day...just goes to show how much delay there is in feeding those horses to get them up to where the battle is going on foot, and helping out. Same with stars that dont make plays until all is truely on the line.

Product and age will always have a role in the cash flow for a cap. That doesn't merit the placement on the players.

I love my Cowboys players, and I also love my team. I won't get off blaming either. I'm not sticking my head in the sand until the Cavalry comes to save the day, although.

"We’re all defensively going to this offseason looking at how we can cause more turnovers, how can we find a way to get to the quarterback to where we can have game-changing plays through the game and then in the fourth quarter down the stretch. That was the theme. You don’t have to watch too much film to know we didn’t cause turnovers and make plays in the fourth quarter." - Sean Lee
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016...about-getting-turnovers-like-they-did-in-2014

A team must be trained to finish...

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Have to laugh seeing wade phillips with a dominate defense. Idk why he couldnt here

Personnel management,,,, Wade could not have done what he did in Denver with the players Dallas puts on the field. Theres also a level of stardom and distraction and limited coaching authority that undermines a focused and motivated team.