Foley said officer who shot him was trying to end his career

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people do and say stupid things whilst drunk

such as me writing a moronic post last night

and such as getting shot in the back of the leg by someone in civilians a few times after being tailed by an unmarked vehicle for 30 miles in front of my home
 

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GoCowboysGo said:
63E (is that an MOS?), dude, he shot the player twice from behind!

Doesn't that sound any alarms?
Yeah, that's an MOS holdover from my military days, which are long behind me. Good catch.

Anyway, yeah, the whole situation stinks to high heaven. If dude was shot in the back (of the legs), then that's definite cause for concern. I'm not so paranoid and distru****l (err, mistrusting...the language filter is strict here, eh?) as to say Foley was targeted by a dirty cop, but judgement was bad by both parties.

And Foley being black may well have had something to do with the cop's state of mind, we don't know. But more likely, him being a giant, and him walking towards him, and him "reaching into his jacket," and him driving like a maniac nearly causing several accidents, had more to do with it. I can definitely see where he might have feared for his life.

Look, there's no way in hell I'm trying to say the officer was right...I don't think he was. And further, I think he was totally stupid and shows an alarming lack of judgement for someone that holds a position that he holds. But I don't think the officer set out with the intention of shooting Foley, either.
 

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LatinMind said:
u do know that 1 beer is going to give u close to a .06 blood alcohol level right?

i refuse to believe less than 4 beers is going to make a guy the size of foley drunk..

but I would doubt he drank 5 beers and jumped in the car....his BAC was probably higher than that at some point during the night.
 

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These are a couple articles that came out after a few days... I think it'll provide some more details...
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Many questions, few answers regarding Foley
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September 5, 2006
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What we know: Little. Steve Foley is a Charger, a professional football player. During Sunday morning's wee hours, he was shot near his Poway home by an off-duty Coronado police officer who had been driving an unmarked car.

What we don't know: Plenty. It is a bizarre incident, one in which little information has come forth on either side.

Foley is an athlete. He has had previous problems, most of them alcohol-related (never convicted). He has been shot by a cop. It's 2006. Not a surprise. It's the world in which we live, the world in which we report.

I was told Foley, who is said to be out of danger – although he's been in intensive care – was shot in the leg and hand at 3:41 Sunday morning near his Poway home. I later was told, without specifics, I was misinformed as to the areas of the gunshot wounds. Now I've heard he was hit in the chest, arm and the knee area (an artery). Whatever, he won't play this year.

If this had been the first incident regarding Foley, it might be surprising, only because of the starting linebacker's locker room persona.
“He's a good kid,” Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer says.

Foley seems every bit the ideal teammate. He's a personality. His teammates love him. But, once again, we don't live with him, so we can't really know him, or anybody else who plays games for a living – or anyone who doesn't, for that matter. We can only think we do. We don't know that cop, either, or what the hell he was doing.

In this case, in which reports are sketchy – it's an off-the-field injury, so the team insists information come from other sources – there are far more questions than answers.

“I have no answers,” says David Levine, Foley's Florida-based agent. “I don't even know how to define his condition. He's out of surgery, I can say that. I'll be honest with you, I have no first-hand knowledge. I've already been wrong before. I'm not going to be wrong a second time. I'm not there. Everything I'm getting is from someone else.”

Very confusing. Levine may have been right the first time, about the chest wound. We know who got shot. We don't know where. We don't even know the name of the officer who shot him, and we may never know, the way laws are written.

Fact: In April, Foley was accused of resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and being drunk in public on a University City street. Last week, the District Attorney's Office dropped the charges.

That Foley was out with a female companion after 3 a.m. is not surprising. He was returning from an annual dinner thrown for veterans by rookies at a downtown restaurant.

Questions:

Was he driving drunk? (His female companion, Lisa Maree Gaut, has been charged on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon – she allegedly drove the vehicle in the officer's direction – and driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.)

What was the off-duty police officer doing out after 3 in the morning?

What exactly happened involving the officer and his call for help? (There are signs on our freeways this weekend pleading for motorists who think they've spotted a drunk driver to call 911.)

Was there any particular reason Foley should have believed a man driving a plain car after 3 a.m. who had followed him for 10 miles was a real policeman?

When Foley reached in his pocket, was he going for his wallet, gum or was he armed?

Did the officer properly identify himself?

Did the police have it out for Foley regarding the April incident? Are there racial profiling overtones to this?

“Was the officer white?” asks Levine. “I don't know. This guy's out after 3 in the morning and follows someone 10 miles and he's not recognized as a police officer. You don't call for help? And the person you're following is outside his own house? I don't even know how far Steve was from him when he was shot. Every side of this is bizarre.”

What isn't bizarre is Foley's track record. He's had problems before, having enrolled in the NFL's alcohol program. If nothing else, the time has come for him to be responsible for his off-the-field actions. This incident might also have had alcohol on its breath.

What I don't get is why millionaires drive after a night on the town. I hate to drive sober. Call a cab. Hire a limo. You're mortal.

Given this, it's difficult to forecast how this will affect the team, which opens its season Monday night in Oakland. The Chargers are very deep at linebacker, but Foley is a starter, and he's now lost for the season, at least.

“He's down for the year,” General Manager A.J. Smith says. “I had to make that decision because I don't believe, from the medical information I've gathered, he'll be able to help us this year.”

Lesser incidents have been distractions.

“That's absolutely a legitimate question,” Smith says, “and I don't have an answer to it. This is a tight-knit group of players. It's a fact of life. You deal with it and move forward.”

Forward from what? If we only knew.

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Chargers linebacker apparently was unarmed when shot by officer
By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
September 5, 2006

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers linebacker Steve Foley apparently was unarmed when an off-duty Coronado police officer shot him near his upscale suburban home, authorities said Tuesday.

Foley was wounded early Sunday by officer Aaron Mansker, who joined the Coronado Police Department in August 2005.

"To my knowledge, I don't believe Foley did have a weapon, even though I was told he reached into his waistband with his right hand," said San Diego County sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos.

Mansker has been placed on paid administrative leave, said Leah Corbin, a police spokeswoman in Coronado, a wealthy peninsular enclave across the bay from San Diego. She declined to release any other details about the officer.

There was no update Tuesday on Foley's condition. On Monday, his agent, David Levine, said Foley was hospitalized in stable condition. He is on the non-football injured reserve list, meaning he will miss the season and forfeit his pay, estimated at $1.65 million.

The sheriff's department said the shooting occurred after Foley, who is 6-foot-4, 265 pounds, got out of the vehicle near his home in Poway and began walking toward Mansker, who identified himself as an officer, said he was armed and fired a warning shot into the bushes.

Lisa Maree Gaut, a passenger in Foley's vehicle, got behind the wheel and drove toward the police officer, authorities said. Mansker fired two shots at the car and avoided getting struck. Gaut was unharmed.

The sheriff's department said Mansker fired at Foley when Foley reached into his pants with his right hand. He fired again when Foley continued to walk toward him, and then Foley fell to the ground.

The shooting occurred after Mansker followed a suspected drunken driver weaving in freeway traffic at speeds up to 90 mph. The driver nearly collided with several other vehicles.

Foley stopped three times, including at a red light after he got off the freeway. Mansker ordered him to pull over, but Foley drove away.

Brugos said Tuesday that while Mansker was wearing his police badge on the right side of his belt, he didn't believe he showed it to Foley from his car.

Asked if Foley saw the badge, Brugos said he didn't know.

Mansker was on his way home from work when the confrontation occurred, Brugos said.

Mansker graduated from the police academy at Palomar College, said Mark Oggel, a spokesman for San Diego County community college. He did campus security work at Palomar before resigning in August 2005 to take the job in Coronado.

Associated Press writer Allison Hoffman contributed to this story.

Updated on Tuesday, Sep 5, 2006 10:55 pm EDT

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IIRC ... Foley's previous altercation was with "uniformed" police officers.

It's been said that the officer broadcast calls on multiple channels. Don't know if that's true or not?

Foley's female companion drove his car towards the officer ... and he was coming towards the officer as well.
 

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If he had no jurisdiction to shoot, how come he hasn't been charged with a crime??


charges WILL come trust me and money willbe in Foleys pocket when its all said and done
 

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Tass said:
When a guy is pointing a gun at you, you are a moron if you approach him when told not to...I don't care if he's a cop or not. Speaking as a CCW holder that lives in Texas, I know that the law HERE says you can shoot someone to 'protect yourself or someone else or to protect yours or someone elses property.' So in Texas that cop wouldn't be in trouble at all.

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BTW, there's the gun I carry. .40 cal with Hydra-Shok hollow points. Woot!


actually he would,my step-dad is a cop in texas and he said that, that guy had no jurisdiction in any kind of way to follow him and pull him over and shoot him, its all racially motivated in the way i see it people are pathetic
 

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originally quoted by AsthmaField:

Plus, if the officer knew that Foley had a history of violence with police, then he knew who Foley was and that he is an NFL player. And you'd have to think that an NFL player wouldn't be carrying a gun and wouldn't shoot a cop. If the officer didn't know Foley was an NFL player... then he didn't know the Foley had a history of violence with police. He can't have it both ways.


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That's pretty good Asthma!

I may be totally wrong, so please educate me, whoever posted the pic of the luger, isn't that a **** weapon? In other words, didn't the ****'s make Luger what it is today, a weapons giant? Am I wrong? Hope so.
 

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GoCowboysGo said:
originally quoted by AsthmaField:




:hammer:

That's pretty good Asthma!

I may be totally wrong, so please educate me, whoever posted the pic of the luger, isn't that a **** weapon? In other words, didn't the ****'s make Luger what it is today, a weapons giant? Am I wrong? Hope so.

Thanks dude.

About the gun: Now I'm certainly no weapons expert but that is a Ruger... not a Luger. Ruger is the brand of pistol. A luger is the one's that the Germans used in WWII, yes. But that is different from the one pictured above.

Here is a pic of a Luger that was used in WWII:

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Lugar is also a brand name though I'm not certain if the company is still around today. But the Lugar pistol was developed long before the ****'s took over Germany. The ****'s did use many of the Lugar pistols but they also used a great many Walther (another brand name still in use) model P38 pistols. The Lugar has been popularized in movies as the **** weapon of choice because of it's rather distinct and ominous appearance. BTW, the 9 mm caliber ammunition which is so popular today and used in many different brands of weapons (including some Rugar models) was originally developed by the Lugar Company for their pistol and for many years was known as the "9mm Lugar" caliber.

Totally off topic but I thought I’d throw it in since it was being discussed :D
 

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I thought I had read some ******** posts before, but some of you guys take the cake. Here are a few points for you L.A. law wannabes to consider:

1. Police officers do not, and cannot wait for someone to shoot or hit them before using force if they are attempting an arrest or giving lawful commands. Think about that a minute...how would it be beneficial for a cop to wait for someone to shoot at him/her before the cop could shoot?? DUH.

2. Foley was drunk....BAD drunk! The Einstein who said one beer will give you a .06BAC needs to think again. A 260lb man would need to consume 4 or 5 12oz beers to even reach .06, let alone .23 .

3. Reports say that Foley was driving 90+ mph. Simple math will tell you that he traveled 1.5 miles every minute. Now kids how long would it take to travel 30 miles?? Entirely conceivable the officer's back-up couldn't catch up to him or there weren't car's available.

4. The search for steroids in the blood sample from Foley is likely a result of the D.A. wanting to make a stronger case rather than the P.D. Obviously trying to show his history of aggression toward others.

5. The internal investigation is standard in most departments when a shooting occurs.

6. Who said the officer even knew who the hell Foley was, let alone his life story about aggression, Pro athlete, etc??? Haven't seen that reported anywhere.

I guess the funny part is all the clowns here who ***** so much about police officers being trash, etc. In my 15 years as a cop, they are typically the ones who have had their drawers jerked up their behind and are the first to call begging for help from "Barney Fife". I've literally met thousands of guys just like that.:lmao2:They're also the ones who have tasted the sytstem a few times and resent anybody associated with it.

It's easy to armchair QB this situation on both sides, but the reality is there isn't much info that is pertinent to the incident being released (again...very USUAL ubtil it is ajudicated).
 
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