For all those downplaying the Tapegate

[blindzebra]

I keep hearing media folk saying it's not an advantage...the logistics make it unable to help...well.

Most teams have around 60 plays a game.

So in the first quarter during NE's plays they tape the defensive signals, so after 1 quarter a 2nd person breaks down the signals to what they did rushing and in coverage.

This won't help a lot after 15 plays, but now you tape the 15 plays/signals in the 2nd quarter.

So after halftime you have some idea what the signals mean.

15 more plays in the 3rd quarter means that in the most important part of the game, you have a very good idea of what is being called.

Even if you just make one play because of it, in today's NFL one play can make the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Champsheart]

I keep hearing media folk saying it's not an advantage...the logistics make it unable to help...well.

Most teams have around 60 plays a game.

So in the first quarter during NE's plays they tape the defensive signals, so after 1 quarter a 2nd person breaks down the signals to what they did rushing and in coverage.

This won't help a lot after 15 plays, but now you tape the 15 plays/signals in the 2nd quarter.

So after halftime you have some idea what the signals mean.

15 more plays in the 3rd quarter means that in the most important part of the game, you have a very good idea of what is being called.

Even if you just make one play because of it, in today's NFL one play can make the difference between winning and losing.

Hmmm, most former and current players I have heard says it is definetly an advantage.

 

[blindzebra]

Hmmm, most former and current players I have heard says it is definetly an advantage.

You obviously haven't been watching ESPN.

 

[Dallas]

Didn't NE breakout in the 2nd half agaiinst the Jets last week?


I don't recall - but I think they exploded on the Jets in the 2nd half.

 

[The30YardSlant]

*Yawn*

Let it go, people. New England was going to win that game no matter what they did or did not do.

 

[Maxmadden]

They obviously thought there was some advantage to doing it because they went to alot of trouble to do it.

I don't think they were trying to get the calls for the next meeting, because teams usually mix up there signals before the next time they play. Detroit and Green Bay both said they were doing it to them and they only had the one meeting last year.

They must have found out a way to use it to their advantage since they have continued to do it.

 

[ddh33]

I've seen and heard a lot of players talking about how you would have to make those calls so late in to the defense that it wouldn't help much. But I disagree. Seems to me that the Pats and Jets will play again later this season. You don't think they would be a little faster getting those calls in by then?

As mentioned, even during the course of the game, there are going to be certain tendencies that might help you if you are stealing those signs.

Look, it's slimy. There's no way around it. It isn't that "part of the game" argument I hear either. When you start filiming and getting it on tape, you've gone way too far.

 

[joseephuss]

You obviously haven't been watching ESPN.

Mark Schlereth said it was an advantage. Both short term and long term. He also said it will create a stigma about the Patriots SB titles.

I heard a good question on ESPN radio today. If the Pats could not gain an advantage during the game, then why did they do it against Green Bay last year? They were not likely to face them again later in the season.

 

[The30YardSlant]

BTW, most NFL teams have between 150-200 plays in the playbook. Taping isnt going to help significantly unless you get really lucky

 

[jazzcat22]

You obviously haven't been watching ESPN.

Did you mean BSPN ? Which broadcasts out of the Patriots' backyard, basically.....

 

[dallasfaniac]

I agree, cheating is bs and should be punished, but I question how beneficial it is.

Most defenses key off different things. They may call the same defense but depending on the down/distance, the personel, offensive alingment etc. may change what they actually do.

You may send in the same call on two seperate plays and have the defense act differently. A team may blitz against us when Julius is in the game on 3rd and long because we never hand it off to him, but if it were Barber blitz different guys because one is spying Barber for the screen.

Defenses audible all the time once the offense gets settled, so I'm not sure how usefull knowing what the signal was actually is.

 

[blindzebra]

BTW, most NFL teams have between 150-200 plays in the playbook. Taping isnt going to help significantly unless you get really lucky

Teams don't use 150 or 200 plays in a game.

They normally have less than half that in their gameplan and run most plays several times.

P.S. one play is enough to change the outcome of a close game.

 

[joseephuss]

BTW, most NFL teams have between 150-200 plays in the playbook. Taping isnt going to help significantly unless you get really lucky

In the play book or the game plan? I would think the entire play book may have more plays, but the game plan for any given game may have a little less.

 

[MagicMan]

I keep hearing from these ESPN mediots about the logistics as well.....not enough time, can't help you, can change the signals next time, blah.....blah.......blah......

Well if that was the case, then why was Beli-cheat still doing this even after the prior times they were caught or almost caught? If it didn't work, they would not have continued......so it must have helped them enough to run the risk of getting caught again and face the ramifications---which should be severe this time.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Who cares whether they actually got an advantage or not?

There was an NFL rule prohibiting the action and they were warned about it in a letter from the league office this summer. It goes to Belichik's character and as Dan Rooney said that is the wonderful irony of it all since all we've heard is how the Patriots organization is nothing but class and doing it the right way.

I really believe the reason the story has legs with the media is because of the hypocrisy it reveals in the Patriots organization.

Read Dr. Z's article today if you want to know how classy that organization really is.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Teams don't use 150 or 200 plays in a game.

They normally have less than half that in their gameplan and run most plays several times.

No, but only because they have a limited number of plays they even get a chance to run. Basically, you're hoping that you catch a signal that they will use again, when in reaity the odds are against it happening, at least very frequently. Teams arent going to run the same play 5-10 times unless it keeps working very well, in which case the defense obviously doesnt know what's going on, so it's moot at that point.

 

[5Stars]

The NFL should let the defensive captains have the green sticker on their helmets. Why just the QB? This would reslove all this stealing mess, right?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Teams don't use 150 or 200 plays in a game.

They normally have less than half that in their gameplan and run most plays several times.

P.S. one play is enough to change the outcome of a close game.

NE won by 4 scores

 

[AtlCB]

BTW, most NFL teams have between 150-200 plays in the playbook. Taping isnt going to help significantly unless you get really lucky

Teams have a mix of signals for each play - formation, type of blitz, type of coverage, etc. For 150-200 plays, you may only need to figure out four or five sets of signals that may have 2-5 different signals. If the Patriots didn't believe they were getting a big advantage, they wouldn't have risked a member of their organization getting caught video taping the signals.

 

[blindzebra]

NE won by 4 scores

This isn't about the freaking Jets game...if they are doing it in one game, they probably do it in ALL OF THEM.

The fact you don't get that doesn't surprise me.