For Those Knocking Ware's Lack of Sacks

[ccb04]

Merriman doesn't even lead the Chargers OLB's in sacks, pressures, tackles, or passes defensed. However, he does lead the team in giving up game winning TD's.

Fact is ... neither Ware or Merriman are "elite" players at this point. They're not LT or DT.

 

[Sarge]

Parcells said himself yesterday that Ware is still 'raw'......Merriman is playing like a seasoned 10 year veteran in year #2. Merriman is a complete player, Ware isn't....at least at this point in his career.

So sorry this argument isn't valid....

Agreed - gimme Merriman..........

 

[TEK2000]

I have been trying to stay out of these discussions since the season has started (I am more concerned with how my team does during the season).

I know.. actually discussing things on a message board will take up so much of your time that you won't be able to concern yourself with how your team does.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Merriman doesn't even lead the Chargers OLB's in sacks, pressures, tackles, or passes defensed. However, he does lead the team in giving up game winning TD's.

Fact is ... neither Ware or Merriman are "elite" players at this point. They're not LT or DT.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Parcells said himself yesterday that Ware is still 'raw'......Merriman is playing like a seasoned 10 year veteran in year #2. Merriman is a complete player, Ware isn't....at least at this point in his career.

So sorry this argument isn't valid....

Actually, I think Ware is more complete. Merriman seems to be a little more physical and has better pass rushing skill at this point, but Ware is much better at the other things IMO

 

[burmafrd]

Typical bs- BP has NEVER said that merriman was better. And merrimans mistakes which had led to TD's this year would just about have him in BP's doghouse by now.

 

[md2005]

Im really confused at all this Merriman vs. Ware talk. DW is a nice player but doesnt nearly impact the game the way Merriman does. Lets stop making excuses but the hard thruth is we all know who we should have drafted. That is not a knock on DW but more of a credit to Merriman. Hey, it could be a LOT worse. Both players could be on the board and you could have drafted Carlos Rogers or Mike Williams. Thats a real knee slapper!!

 

[Sarge]

Im really confused at all this Merriman vs. Ware talk. DW is a nice player but doesnt nearly impact the game the way Merriman does. Lets stop making excuses but the hard thruth is we all know who we should have drafted. That is not a knock on DW but more of a credit to Merriman. Hey, it could be a LOT worse. Both players could be on the board and you could have drafted Carlos Rogers or Mike Williams. Thats a real knee slapper!!

Good post. Agreed.

 

[Merlin]

(including me) ...

I thought this was an interesting article/perspective about Simeon Rice.

By extension, some could argue this is the difference between Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware.




That's some major hate for Simeon Rice.

Yeah, we used to have one of those guys. Charles Haley. He turned out pretty good.

 

[burmafrd]

BS again. Ware does more overall. You did not miss the point that Merriman has already given up multiple TD's this year due to his failings in other parts of the LB package, WHile Ware has ALREADY scored a TD this year on D. Sacks are not everything= only true neophites or fantasy nitwits fixate on them.

 

[md2005]

BS again. Ware does more overall. You did not miss the point that Merriman has already given up multiple TD's this year due to his failings in other parts of the LB package, WHile Ware has ALREADY scored a TD this year on D. Sacks are not everything= only true neophites or fantasy nitwits fixate on them.

Its WOULD be the same if Merriman wasnt getting the sacks. Maybe he has given up some TD's but HE HAS MADE THE QB's life miserable. Its only comparable if he wasnt getting the sacks. Dont get me wrong, Im a Ware fan but Merriman is a notch above at this point. I do think Ware is well rounded and he could very easily develop into a more polished player but at this point he is not.

 

[burmafrd]

Cannot believe you are saying giving up TD's is fine as long as you are getting a sack or two a game. Do you reall think that?

 

[big dog cowboy]

DW is a nice player but doesnt nearly impact the game the way Merriman does.

There is more to playing LB than looking at QB sack totals.

 

[morasp]

-- Haven't watched Merriman much but teams are double teaming Ware a lot either with a tight end or running back. That should be either taking players out the pass patterns or opening up other defensive players for pass rushing opportunities.

-- Ware isn't just good against the run he is very good. I haven't seen him lose contain very often and he usually gets the tackle for small or no gain in the open field.

-- Ware is very good at redirecting the receivers off the line of scrimmage. Last year he had trouble with it but this year it's much improved.

I think in terms of overall impact to the game, Ware is up there in the Roy Williams stratosphere. Maybe not quite as high but in the same region.

 

[dbair1967]

Parcells said himself yesterday that Ware is still 'raw'......Merriman is playing like a seasoned 10 year veteran in year #2. Merriman is a complete player, Ware isn't....at least at this point in his career.

So sorry this argument isn't valid....

and your statement is foolish...you havent seen Merriman play anymore than the rest of us...other than a handful of sacks vs air, he hasnt done alot either

again, he gets alot of his sacks because of the scheme...our sacks leaders have 3, 2.5 and 2 sacks...San Diego has guys with 6.0, 5.5, 4.0 & 2.0...

if Ware played for SD and Merriman played here, the numbers would be switched and we'd all be dissing Merriman and wondering why we didnt take Ware...the fact is Wade Phillips is a far more aggressive defensive coordinator, everywhere he goes his defenses finish at or near the top of the league in sacks, turnovers etc etc...we might both play 3-4 defenses, but the style is totally different

David

 

[dbair1967]

Im really confused at all this Merriman vs. Ware talk. DW is a nice player but doesnt nearly impact the game the way Merriman does. Lets stop making excuses but the hard thruth is we all know who we should have drafted. That is not a knock on DW but more of a credit to Merriman. !!

another person that doesnt seem to notice the difference in defensive styles...go watch a SD game and you'll see...they create alot of confusion with their blitzes and often have guys running free at the QB...we almost never do...how many times this yr have we seen a Cowboy defensive player unblocked going to the QB? Then go watch a SD game and tell me what you see

David

 

[dbair1967]

Agreed - gimme Merriman..........

gimme Wade Phillips and you can keep Merriman

David

 

[Bizwah]

Im really confused at all this Merriman vs. Ware talk. DW is a nice player but doesnt nearly impact the game the way Merriman does. Lets stop making excuses but the hard thruth is we all know who we should have drafted. That is not a knock on DW but more of a credit to Merriman. Hey, it could be a LOT worse. Both players could be on the board and you could have drafted Carlos Rogers or Mike Williams. Thats a real knee slapper!!

Sure, a person can say that Merriman is better....but what difference does it make?

Is he a Cowboy?

Ware is on OUR favorite team.

Why do people constantly want to gripe about him? We can't turn back the clock.

We drafted a good player in Ware. Let's focus on that.

Cheer who we ARE not who we are NOT.

 

[Merlin]

Regardless of what anyone says, Ware needs to improve his pass rushing skills. Most of the time, he only uses one or two moves. With his speed if he would speed rush outside, then cut inside; most tackles wouldnt be able to counter that, that should be there quite often. A spin move if used occasionally wouldnt hurt. He just needs more moves.

 

[morasp]

Regardless of what anyone says, Ware needs to improve his pass rushing skills. Most of the time, he only uses one or two moves. With his speed if he would speed rush outside, then cut inside; most tackles wouldnt be able to counter that, that should be there quite often. A spin move if used occasionally wouldnt hurt. He just needs more moves.

I think what the great ones do is set up the lineman so that at points in the game when you need a stop they do something different than they have been and get to the quarterback. Like bull rush most of the time and do a counter like a swim move or something when the other team is driving for a go ahead score in the fourth quarter. Haley used to be great at that. He would be getting pressures all game but at the end he would use a different move and get the sack.