For Those Saying We Can't Contend Next Season

[Fletch]

Stop it just stop it. We can if we upgrade the offensive line. Look around the NFL some of the best teams in the league like the Packers, Saints, and Patriots all are ranked 20th or worse in total defense. Also even with all the issues we had this past season we could've very easily been 11-5 had we not given 3 key games away. @ the Jets, and Vs Detroit and NYG. This is a different day and age we don't need a great or even good defense to win, but we do need a better offensive line. If we can get one this team can contend next season.

Stop it! Just stop right now! Jerry is to blame and of course Jason sucks. We all know this and we are a horrible team because said fan said so.

I for one believe that (what you just posted!). A tweak or two to the O-line come FA or the draft and we'll be back on track. A tweak or two to the secondary and we'll be back on track their too with at least a CB or FS, either one through FA and the draft.

But back to your OP, we suck and Jerry is to blame. Whoa are the Cowboys! The media hates us.... so should the fans. :laugh2:

 

[Bleu Star]

The biggest problem in the secondary is Newman's spot.

Elam is below average, but not to the degree Newman was this year... His play was abysmal.

Put two above average guys in both Newman and Dave Campo's spots and you'll see big differences in the defense... Even with Elam at safety.

Fixed! (& I totally agree)!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The eagles defense overall for about half the season played poorly. He was good, certainly better than Newman.

I was calling for us to replace Newman with Nnamdi and a few weeks later when FA started, it turns out that's exactly what we tried to do.

I can't say I know how good Nnamdi would have been here in 2011 and certainly not going forward into 2012 and beyond. I do know he played for Ryan and Ryan wanted him. I also know that the cap hit for him would not have been too much more than what Newman is slated to count for 2011-2014.

I do now know that we are looking to release/replace Newman for certain.
I also know that Newman cost us big time in cap dollars and poor performance this year.

The thing is that up till the first Eagle game, Newman's performance this year was adequate... At some points, well above that.

But after that game... Bleugh!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Fixed! (& I totally agree)!

I see what you did there. :laugh2:

 

[Fletch]

Stunning really.

If you would have asked me, "Who was the player who was going to underperform the worst on the starting defense this season?" Newman would not have been my first, second or third picks.

I bet it stunned the coaching staff too.

Didn't stun me. And I'm a happy fan. He had been lagging for the better part of 3 seasons! And I mean better part. Again, I' m a happy fan.... move along!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Didn't stun me. And I'm a happy fan. He had been lagging for the better part of 3 seasons! And I mean better part.

And we respect that.

Newman's performance in '09 was good.

Not so good in '10... Or should I say bad. But some said he had injury issues.

The first half of '11 was acceptable. Not pro-bowl, but acceptable.

And then his game fell apart.

 

[bysbox1]

We competed this year even with all our problems. We simply gave 3 games away and still had a chance to win the division. The Packers create turnovers, but the Saints don't get alot of turnovers. Both teams simply outscore teams. We can do the same if we upgrade the offensive line. I'm not saying we don't need to upgrade the defense because we do, but the offensive line should be the priority. We upgrade it and we'll contend.

We only beat one team above .500, and that took a bit of luck and overtime. We got taken to the woodshed by the Eagles twice, and we let a 12 point lead slip away in one Giants game while we got "Cruzed" in another.

We did not compete this year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The thing is that up till the first Eagle game, Newman's performance this year was adequate... At some points, well above that.

But after that game... Bleugh!

Yup that's when I was really defending him. Seems that suddenly his confidence went kaput. It was gone Sunday with out a shred of it left.
Almost felt sorry for they guy. He looked like Emmitt in Zona.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The 4th round pick needs to contribute immediately.

Here is the 4th round from last year. How many of them contributed immediately? Not many. You chances of finding one are pretty slim.

4 99 St. Louis Rams Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati Big East
4 100 Minnesota Vikings Everson Griffen DE USC Pac-10 from Detroit
4 101 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mike Williams WR Syracuse Big East
4 102 Houston Texans Darryl Sharpton LB Miami (FL) ACC from Kansas City
4 103 Washington Commanders Perry Riley LB LSU Tigers SEC
4 104 Tennessee Titans Alterraun Verner CB UCLA Pac-10 from Seattle
4 105 Philadelphia Eagles Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky SEC from Cleveland
4 106 Oakland Raiders Bruce Campbell OT Maryland ACC
4 107 Buffalo Bills Marcus Easley WR Connecticut Big East
4 108 Oakland Raiders Jacoby Ford WR Clemson ACC from Jacksonville
4 109 Chicago Bears Corey Wootton DE Northwestern Big Ten
4 110 San Diego Chargers Darrell Stuckey S Kansas Big 12 from Miami
4 111 Seattle Seahawks Walter Thurmond CB Oregon Pac-10 from Tennessee
4 112 New York Jets Joe McKnight RB USC Pac-10 from Carolina
4 113 New England Patriots Aaron Hernandez TE Florida SEC from San Francisco via Denver
4 114 Baltimore Ravens Dennis Pitta TE BYU MWC from Denver
4 115 New York Giants Phillip Dillard LB Nebraska Big 12
4 116 Pittsburgh Steelers Thaddeus Gibson DE Ohio State Big Ten
4 117 Atlanta Falcons Joe Hawley G UNLV MWC
4 118 Houston Texans Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin Big Ten
4 119 Miami Dolphins A. J. Edds LB Iowa Big Ten from New England via Dallas
4 120 Cincinnati Bengals Geno Atkins DT Georgia SEC
4 121 Philadelphia Eagles Keenan Clayton LB Oklahoma Big 12
4 122 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka QB Northwestern Big Ten from Green Bay
4 123 New Orleans Saints Al Woods DT LSU SEC from Baltimore via Arizona
4 124 Carolina Panthers Eric Norwood LB South Carolina SEC from Arizona via New York Jets
4 125 Philadelphia Eagles Clay Harbor TE Missouri State MVFC from Dallas
4 126 Dallas Cowboys Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA) PSAC from San Diego via Miami
4 127 Seattle Seahawks E. J. Wilson DE North Carolina ACC from New York Jets via Philadelphia
4 128 Detroit Lions Jason Fox OT Miami (FL) ACC from Minnesota
4 129 Indianapolis Colts Jacques McClendon G Tennessee SEC
4 130 Arizona Cardinals O'Brien Schofield DE Wisconsin Big Ten from New Orleans Saints
4 131 Cincinnati Bengals Roddrick Muckelroy LB Texas Big 12

 

[Bleu Star]

Sooooooooooo... Now you're all saying there is a cusp?
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[nycowboyzfan]

The biggest problem in the secondary is Newman's spot.

Elam is below average, but not to the degree Newman was this year... His play was abysmal.

Put an above averge guy in Newman's spot and you'll see big differences in the defense... Even with Elam at safety.

I disagree with you (respectfully of course), i think the whole secondary is atrocious

Newman: absolutely horrific, way past his prime, needs to be cut now

Scandrick: i dont think he would be a good corner in the arena league,

Jenkins: a nickel corner on a good day, terrible tackler with absolutely no heart

Elam: have no idea what Ron Ryan was thinking when he brought him over here. Absolutely lost on pass coverage and a bad tackler

Sensabaugh: Lost half the time, always in the wrong position.

Ball: dont make me laugh. might be the worst DB in the NFL

This is the worst secondary in the NFL hands down, i would take the LSU secondary over this group of losers

 

[CATCH17]

We shouldve competed this year but we're a team full of chokers.

 

[jobberone]

And we respect that.

Newman's performance in '09 was good.

Not so good in '10... Or should I say bad. But some said he had injury issues.

The first half of '11 was acceptable. Not pro-bowl, but acceptable.

And then his game fell apart.

I'm guessing he was playing injured....again. You don't just drop off like that without good reason.

This is the same ole story though and frankly we don't have the luxury of continuing this story.

I'm of the opinion we bring him back next year and let him compete. If he can play then fine and if not then play a younger guy. If there is someone on the roster who you think will become a starter and Newman will cost him his roster spot then you jettison Newman this coming year. At most I'd keep him for 2012 only if that.

I don't know the cap repercussions of keeping the guy or cutting him but obviously that's a big factor in considering what to do with the guy as well.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Sooooooooooo... Now you're all saying there is a cusp?
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No, I'm fantasizing.

 

[SWG9]

I disagree with you (respectfully of course), i think the whole secondary is atrocious

Newman: absolutely horrific, way past his prime, needs to be cut now

Scandrick: i dont think he would be a good corner in the arena league,

Jenkins: a nickel corner on a good day, terrible tackler with absolutely no heart

Elam: have no idea what Ron Ryan was thinking when he brought him over here. Absolutely lost on pass coverage and a bad tackler

Sensabaugh: Lost half the time, always in the wrong position.

Ball: dont make me laugh. might be the worst DB in the NFL

This is the worst secondary in the NFL hands down, i would take the LSU secondary over this group of losers

No doubt the secondary is terrible, although I don't think it's quite as bad as what you seem to think...

What's really troubling to me is that there a lot of good CB's and safeties available in FA last year, yet the Cowboys didn't bother pursuing any of them after missing on Asomugha. I don't see the same level of talent in this year's crop.

The organization obviously felt that the secondary was an issue, so I don't understand why they were relatively inactive on that front last year. A missed opportunity, IMO.

 

[nycowboyzfan]

I'm guessing he was playing injured....again. You don't just drop off like that without good reason.

This is the same ole story though and frankly we don't have the luxury of continuing this story.

I'm of the opinion we bring him back next year and let him compete. If he can play then fine and if not then play a younger guy. If there is someone on the roster who you think will become a starter and Newman will cost him his roster spot then you jettison Newman this coming year. At most I'd keep him for 2012 only if that.

I don't know the cap repercussions of keeping the guy or cutting him but obviously that's a big factor in considering what to do with the guy as well.

you said the majic word "compete" something he knows nothing about

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I disagree with you (respectfully of course), i think the whole secondary is atrocious

Newman: absolutely horrific, way past his prime, needs to be cut now

Scandrick: i dont think he would be a good corner in the arena league,

Jenkins: a nickel corner on a good day, terrible tackler with absolutely no heart

Elam: have no idea what Ron Ryan was thinking when he brought him over here. Absolutely lost on pass coverage and a bad tackler

Sensabaugh: Lost half the time, always in the wrong position.

Ball: dont make me laugh. might be the worst DB in the NFL

This is the worst secondary in the NFL hands down, i would take the LSU secondary over this group of losers

Hey, I get the frustration with this defense. I truly do.

But it's like this, I watched the GB/DET game, and I'll tell ya, I saw two pass defenses that were worse than anything I saw Dallas do (or not do) this year... And these two pass defenses are going to the playoffs– go figure!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm guessing he was playing injured....again. You don't just drop off like that without good reason.

This is the same ole story though and frankly we don't have the luxury of continuing this story.

I'm of the opinion we bring him back next year and let him compete. If he can play then fine and if not then play a younger guy. If there is someone on the roster who you think will become a starter and Newman will cost him his roster spot then you jettison Newman this coming year. At most I'd keep him for 2012 only if that.

I don't know the cap repercussions of keeping the guy or cutting him but obviously that's a big factor in considering what to do with the guy as well.

I think any chance of Newman coming back (and I don't think he is) will be up to him and his acceptance of redoing his contract for 2012.

 

[jobberone]

you said the majic word "compete" something he knows nothing about

Not sure that is fair although it may be right on. I'm guessing he was playing injured but even so its a recurring problem with him. Newman has been the best tackler in the secondary until the latter part of this year. He played well early and mid year or so just went south.

The other problem with this is we are so thin on talent we have nobody to put in that can beat out an injured player. That is sad and I point the finger at Jerry primarily and then the coaches both for who gets retained on the roster and for the lousy coaching.

 

[nycowboyzfan]

Hey, I get the frustration with this defense. I truly do.

But it's like this, I watched the GB/DET game, and I'll tell ya, I saw two pass defenses that were worse than anything I saw Dallas do (or not do) this year... And these two pass defenses are going to the playoffs– go figure!

Totally agree with you there, that was like watching a Madden game. One thing i can say though is that both of those teams have playmakers on their defenses.