For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

Well, through all the tough times (starting after he was benched in 2001) I have been a Drew supporter. I lost the Brady vs. Drew argument hands down, but it's no longer fair to refer to Brady as "some random guy off the bench". See JP Losman. Some people had the idea that the Pats won 3 Super Bowls just because Drew was NOT the QB. Buffalo used that logic to start JP. How can anyone say 4th quarter come-from-behind wins don't mean anything? That is what football is all about. How well did you play when you absolutely had to play well? If Drew can reach the top 10 in TDs, regardless of anything else, he'll be in the HOF. He is only 1 behind Steve Young. He needs only more 25 TDs to enter the top 10 (that will be 256 career TDs).
 
Hostile said:
You've clearly got a lot of people in the Hall of Fame who aren't there.

Archie Manning...not in.

Steve DeBerg...not in.

Ron Jaworski...not in.

Ken Anderson...not in.




Bledsoe does not compare in impact to Elway, Marino, and Montana. Sorry, them's just the facts.
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You'd think Drew Bledsoe's mother would get her facts straight before posting.
 
jay cee said:
I agree that Bledsoe is iffy as a HOF candidate. But that is because the process is so flawed.

When you talk about impact, what you are really talking about is HYPE.
Swann had impact/hype in the league because he made big plays in the superbowl. But the overall production was not good enough to go to the HOF, IMO.

Just 1 year later, Ottis Anderson's rookie season was almost as great as Earl Campbell's.

But the Cardinals had a poor defense, while the Oilers had one of the best in the league, so Anderson didn't get to play on Monday Night football or make the playoffs.

So no impact/hype for Anderson. And no HOF.

Because Bledsoe does not have the impact/hype from playing on a winning team, he will have to go in on personal production.

And I don't think he has enough to overcome the bias of not playing on a great team. If he reaches 50,000 yards, and 300 tds I think he will have enough personal production to overcome that bias.

The HOF should IMO, be more about what the individual player was able to accomplish, not the team.

That's why you see players from Championship teams get more credit than other players.

Like Scottie Pippen being rated over Dominique Wilkins for the NBA's 50 greatest.

Or the guy who called in on a talk show and said that Robert Horry should be considered for the Basketball HOF.
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Robert Horry should be considered. He shouldn't get in but for what he's done in the playoffs, he should be considered. How many rings does he have? 5 or six? How many of those teams have rings without his last minute shots in the playoffs? 1?
 
I sent him an E-mail to remind him about it. Next time he wants to write an article about the most overrated QB of all time, he needs to look no further than his own backyard.
 
I think this is an interesting discussion. I have to say that before he joined the cowboys I would not have considered DB a possible HOF candidate. But he might be.

What is so hard is to deconstruct what a player meant to the team while considering the other pieces in place. DB is not an Elway Favre Marino type player that could carry a team on his shoulders. However, he does I think compare to a guy like Aikman who couldn't carry an average team, but when good pieces were in place, wasn't just good, but was spectacular.

After watching DB this year, I think the Aikman comparison is pretty apt. Both are dropback passers, neither good at avoiding the rush. Both had strong arms and frankly both held onto the ball. When the Cowboys were good and had the timing offense, this wasn't a problem for Aikman because someone was almost always open and he knew where to go with the ball. But when all the pieces were not in place, Aikman took a lot of shots that he just did not have the ability to avoid.

There are some differences between Aikman and DB of course. Aikman was uncannily accurate on the short and intermediate passes. DB is not as accurate on those, but is probably a better deep passer.
 
Why the hell should we even care if Bledsoe is going to the HOF?

He's like Ditka, Adderly, and Gregg he was not in because he was a Cowboy.

In fact if Bledsoe tops off his career and gets in before guys like Wright, Harris, Pearson, Hayes, Jones, Martin, Jordan, Woodson, etc...I'll be pissed, not happy.
 
blindzebra said:
Why the hell should we even care if Bledsoe is going to the HOF?

He's like Ditka, Adderly, and Gregg he was not in because he was a Cowboy.

In fact if Bledsoe tops off his career and gets in before guys like Wright, Harris, Pearson, Hayes, Jones, Martin, Jordan, Woodson, etc...I'll be pissed, not happy.
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I hear that. Just thought it was an interesting thread. To tell you the truth, I'm a little pissed they already gave Woodson's number out. I mean, if they weren't gonna retire it, at least wait a year.
 
Kilyin said:
I hear that. Just thought it was an interesting thread. To tell you the truth, I'm a little pissed they already gave Woodson's number out. I mean, if they weren't gonna retire it, at least wait a year.
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Dallas does not retire numbers.
 
Hostile said:
Dallas does not retire numbers.
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Maybe not officially, but who's been given Emmitt's number? That's also why I tossed the "wait a year" in there too.
 
Kilyin said:
Maybe not officially, but who's been given Emmitt's number? That's also why I tossed the "wait a year" in there too.
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For years you wouldn't see 74 out there. Canty wore it in the Mini camps.

12 isn't likely to be worn for a while, neither is 22, but I suspect all other numbers are "available" and probably rightly so. Not dissing Woody, just being realistic.
 
Hostile said:
For years you wouldn't see 74 out there. Canty wore it in the Mini camps.

12 isn't likely to be worn for a while, neither is 22, but I suspect all other numbers are "available" and probably rightly so. Not dissing Woody, just being realistic.
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He was a relic though. The last remaining piece from the Three Rings decade. Him being an analyst now makes me feel old, and it's too soon to see number 28 runnin' around out there, IMO.
 
Kilyin said:
He was a relic though. The last remaining piece from the Three Rings decade. Him being an analyst now makes me feel old, and it's too soon to see number 28 runnin' around out there, IMO.
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:grin:

Old is between the ears.
 
Bled ain't getting in. If all it took was numbers or yards, Vinny would be a shoo-in too. Ditto for Archie Manning or Stabler.
 
bbgun said:
Bled ain't getting in. If all it took was numbers or yards, Vinny would be a shoo-in too. Ditto for Archie Manning or Stabler.
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So you've essentially already lost all hope in this season? Dismissed the possibility of us (regardless of how small it may be) winning the big one already? Not saying it will, but I it could still happen.

I have a bet with someone the Eagles won't make the playoffs this year. I made that bet in week 3. I really thought it was a dumb bet, but it felt good making it. Now it's not looking like such a dumb bet after all, we'll see. Anything can happen, season is still very young.

If Bledsoe wins a Superbowl here or has a strong showing in the playoffs, he's in for sure.
 
Kilyin said:
So you've essentially already lost all hope in this season? Dismissed the possibility of us (regardless of how small it may be) winning the big one already? Not saying it will, but I it could still happen.

I have a bet with someone the Eagles won't make the playoffs this year. I made that bet in week 3. I really thought it was a dumb bet, but it felt good making it. Now it's not looking like such a dumb bet after all, we'll see. Anything can happen, season is still very young.

If Bledsoe wins a Superbowl here or has a strong showing in the playoffs, he's in for sure.
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Nope, he's still out, just like Simms, Plunkett, Stabler, etc. Hell, even Warner won't get in, and he's won one SB plus two MVPs.
 
Hostile said:
If you want it to be, sure.
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Old is between the ears
and in these snapping bones.
Old is at a set age
or just a skin tone.
Old comes upon us fast
for we were just quite young.
Old can be hard to take
or can be a lot of fun.

:geezer:
 
bbgun said:
Nope, he's still out, just like Simms, Plunkett, Stabler, etc. Hell, even Warner won't get in, and he's won one SB plus two MVPs.
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If Joe Theismann can make it in with his 1 SB, Bledsoe would be a stone lock to make it in with one.
 
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